ITHAKA DETAILS FATHERS FIGHT TO FREE JULIAN ASSANG

Journalism is under attack right now. And I think that this is a story as this week marks the fourth year that Julian Assange has been, it appears to be a virtual solitary confinement for having released footage and things that were handed to him that told the truth. He didn't lie, it was handed to him, he didn't work for the government, he can't be charged with espionage,

he didn't go in and get it, someone handed it to him. And he said, you know what, the world should know the truth about what's happening here. That's what journalists do. That's why they've always been protected. And if you don't know his story of somehow you slept through it, this is the story of Julian Assange. Julian Assange, the controversial WikiLeaks founder. But who is Julian Assange?

Some people say I'm a science, some people say I'm terrorist. Hacker, activist, some people say I'm maniac. Or fugitive criminal. The WikiLeaks organization published hundreds more internal government documents. Assange has embarrassed the powerful. And revealed top secret information about US and other government activity. He's such an extreme figure that he absolutely polarizes people. He is the mastermind behind WikiLeaks, which has published the secrets of nations

and is now at the heart of a global debate of the public's right to know. This video was released by Julian Assange's WikiLeaks organization in 2010. Classified US military video shows a helicopter gunship attack on a crowd of people in Baghdad. These 12 Iraqis were shot dead, including a roger's photographer at a driver. US military said it was engaging armed groups. I claimed to spewed it

to this day. It was revelations like this that put Assange in the spotlight and made him powerful enemies in Washington. WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service. People may die as a consequence of what this man did. It is possible the United States will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves. The US government official, no

one from the Pentagon, no one from any government, says that any of our revelations in the past six years has caused anyone to come to physical harm. In 2010 Julian Assange was working in the UK and Sweden requested his extradition. In 2012 facing imminent extradition to Sweden, he took refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy. Julian Assange has been granted political asylum by Ecuador. He has been pulled

up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London since June. In the US, he was also being released wanting to arrest him. Your man can find in the embassy, the charges in Sweden were later dropped, but he was to face a much more serious problem. The US now sought to have Assange extradited on charges of espionage. WikiLeaks released the newest batch of what are believed to be campaign

chairman John Podesta's hacked emails. More than 1900 emails released just this weekend, we are talking about a slow leak every day, a new batch. The Clinton campaign knows this could be a problem for them every day until election day. The US government official, one of the biggest counterintelligence investigations in the United States, the Russian attack on the 2016 election. But up until now Julian Assange has

been untouchable. Hold up in a couple of rooms inside Ecuador's embassy in London for almost seven years, living under asylum. We do begin with breaking news for you because London police have arrested WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Here you can see him being dragged out of the Ecuadorian embassy by British police. Assange remains in Belmars prison in London, is appealing against extradition to the US to face

charges of espionage and computer hacking. The US government has charged the couldland them in jail for 175 years. Many of these charges could have been brought against national security and investigative journalists for doing their jobs. Because Julian Assange is in a jail cell, child's foreign ministry, who has said that they do not have to address concerns about how they treat journalists. The extent of the CIA's

efforts to silence Assange must send a chill down any national security reporter spying. The face of the WikiLeaks founder remains in the balance. The true free speech and journalism to others, he's committed criminal acts and must face the consequences of his actions. As WikiLeaks stands under threat, so does the freedom of expression and the health of all our societies. This story obviously pushes a lot of

us. I am sure that out in the audience right now there are varying views on this story. But I want to say, a few things about this. When I look at the headlines just over the last couple of weeks about the reporter that has been taken in Russia, Russia charges Wall Street journals, Evan Gerstgevich with espionage. Clearly the Biden administration has come out against this. Biden

slams Russia's detention of Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gerstgevich as totally illegal. What moral high ground does the Biden administration have? What can they say to Russia and be listened to with any credibility when we are the ones imprisoning Julian Assange at this very moment? For doing what? He didn't break the law. He simply reported what was handed to him. And probably the most damning case

showed that America had killed Reuters journalists, innocent journalists, and possibly other innocent people tried to hide it. Really? Somehow that we're putting America at risk by letting them know that they're lying about killing journalists on the ground in the middle of a war. This is obviously a terrible thing. The topic that hits very close to home for me and the work that I do is a

journalist. We are directly involved with the government. I see the government. We win with our nonprofit. We show you their internal emails that we're receiving. So if Julian Assange is not protected by his first amendment rights in the United States of America and our Constitution and the fourth branch of government, then who is? Then who amongst us to shape and how can you ever be allowed

to tell the truth and challenge your government? The founding fathers in America stood for us. It's such an important story. And I was honored to be joined by Julian Assange's father, John and his brother Gabriel Shiptin, who were pulling through town just over a week ago with a documentary discussing this story. I had an incredible time talking with them. Their interview is brilliant. It's coming up

right after we show you this documentary trailer of Ithaca. Can we talk about your contact with Julian through his childhood? It was part of the story. It isn't part of the story. The story is that I'm attempting in my own modest way to get Julian out of the ship. Two men of fountain is the hero of Ithaca. He was the darling of the lab. All of

a sudden he's a puppet of Russia. My name is John Shiptin. I'm Julian Assange's father. Wickelick's father Julian Assange has been arrested. One of the most notorious and controversial figures in custody. A sergeant will remain behind bars until that extradition hearing which has been set down for the end of February. I urge the Department of Justice to drop the charges. The maximum jail sentence of 175

years because he published the truth. How does it feel to be the father of such a controversial figure for the world? Was that him on the phone before? Yeah. What are you talking about on a kind of regular basis? If Julian is extradited to the United States to face these charges, he will be the first but not the last. What do you worst bit? It just

collapses I'm never sure. It looks like a throw. What jailers do for a living? Is seen to be equal to the left. Shiptin, keep it up man. Thank you. I wish I had your energy. I really do. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. What do you think? There's not a great public love and support. This is really a truly a

good question. What's at stake? If he goes down, so will journalism. But if people walked away from this film, understanding you, how would you feel about that? We are here. This has only come about because we have a child in the ship. And we're going to get him out. The film is called If the Cut. And is my honor and pleasure to be joined right now

by the subject, which is Julian the Son, just father John, Shiptin. Thank you for joining me. And then of course Gabriel, brother of Julian the Son, but director of this film. Which is, is chilling. It's powerful. And this story is horrifying to people exactly like me, journalists in the world today. So to begin with Gabriel, you know, what made you decide to make this film? Well,

it came about in 2019. It was just off the Julian had been taken from the Ecuadorian Embassy and putting Belmash Maximum Secure. He was in the Saudi prison where he remains to this day for years. He spent there. John and I went to see him with journalists John Pilja. And at that time, he was kept in solitary confinement in a section of the prison called, the

prisoners call it the hell wing of the prison. And it's a place where they keep terminally ill, most desperately suicidal prisoners. It is the deepest darkest place in that British dungeon. And it was at that time that I left the prison after that visit, after seeing him feeling that I might never see him again. And started to think about ways that I could help. I'm a

film producer. That's my background. And you know, started to think of a way. How can we tell a different side of to this story, a side to the story that we experience as Julian's family that we didn't really see in the media. You know, the media was portraying this whole situation as something entirely different to how we were experiencing it. And so we started to think

about a documentary. And that's when John was traveling around Europe, advocating for Julian, meeting politicians, talking to media. And we started following him with the camera. We shot with John for two, a bit over two years. And that's how the sort of story, the Genesis story of the film, what did you think you came about? John, you're an interesting subject in the documentary because you seem

to be someone that, you know, I think under any other circumstance would not be putting yourself in front of you. No, no, no, not not my calling. I'm from the building industry. And we like to have jobs that have a beginning and an end. Right. This job just is well, it's pretty compelling. It's founded on the power of the supporters. So everything we do, every cent

that's paid to lawyers is all raised from support right around the world. And that gives heart and strength. You know, I try to think about it and watching the film was compelling because I mean, look, we all know that, I mean, I truly, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say anything about it. 100% behind this effort to try and get Julian Assange, you know, out of

the, the trouble that he's in and none of it really makes any sense. All he did was pass for records. Nobody's died because of it. Really just revealed that we were being lied to. But, you know, it does feel as though this was the beginning. And there's been a coup. I would say on free speech and journalism taking place worldwide. But especially in First World Nations.

And it feels like this story of Julian's really sort of launched this new effort to take away journalism's ability to challenge government. And, and especially governments and war and, and the things that they're doing. But when I think about being a parent of someone that pushes them in, can I say when this all started, were you concerned about the work that Julian was doing? Not concerned

about the work, but some of the results, you know, I imagine somebody would push him off a bridge somewhere rather, particularly after the, the cables and the Iraq war files and the Afghan war logs came out. I thought, and the Guantanamo Bay files, I thought that the some forces within the United States would move to the destroy Julian Assange. And the capacity of WikiLeaks. That's in

my fears, you know, I didn't, I didn't tell Julian of those fears at all. But it is, as you say, it seems to have run parallel with, and be the icebreaker for governments in the, in the West, in the First World, to remove the capacity for people to have knowledge and, you know, and formulate their, their positions on government policy on a foundation of knowledge. I

still the other day that Robert Kennedy, Jr., had issued a tweet, which is just fantastic in its compression and condensation. Well, the first thing is that there is no America without free speech. And the second sentence is, there's no free speech without a free Julian Assange. Yeah. So the first section unpacks really well with the constraint of publication by the use of the 1917 SB&R Act

to chill, truncate, or ruin the capacity of publications. Now, that in itself says to you, what is the United States without the symbiosis between free press and democracy? What has it become? Is the question? And Robert asks that really well. Without the First Amendment, and without, which is number one, in the Bill of Rights, without the First Amendment, the action of the First Amendment, then you

have no America. And the question is, then what are you left with? Really important. Very, very important. As Julian's brother, you're obviously in media, you're produced, so you had, I think, an interesting vantage point. A lot of times, families, we don't understand what the our siblings or others are doing, but from your perspective, when you were watching the work that he was doing, what were you,

was there concern? Would you just think this is awesome? Yeah, certainly a lot of admiration for Julian's courage and and fearlessness in publishing all the material that he has. But the sort of really understanding the effects that his work would have came to me when he published information about the Kenyan, Kenyan government that led to a change in government in Kenya. And this was back in

2008. And at the time, we understood that some people who Julian was working with in Kenya ended up murdered surrounding this publication. So at that point, really understood okay. The powerful people or the people in power around the world who Julian is exposing will go to great lengths to stop this from happening. And that was my first, you know, real time of, of beginning to sort

of just be concerned for Julian's well-being, but always admired his courage. And I mean, he's doing what journalists should be doing every day, you know, publishing without fear or favor. And he should be the example for all journalists. And really what is happening to him now is the National Security DOJ and these forces that he's exposed. That he is the whose crimes he's exposed are making

an example of him. They're saying to anybody around the world that if you publish this information, if you expose our war crimes, if you expose corruption or torture, we will take away all your rights. You know, we will throw you in a prison without a conviction. You know, Julian's not convicted. He spent four years in a prison. He's held in Communicado. So he's been not speaking.

He cannot use his platform to defend himself. He hasn't been able to attend. He's own core proceedings since January 2021. He applies to attend them and the application is rejected. And so what this is is just really removing Julian, removing any sort of semblance of a human, of Julian Assange, the human from people's view, dehumanizing him so that this torturous process that's been set up is

able to continue without resistance. You've visited him several times to the years. How would you describe his health and mental state now? So in mid-2019, the United Nations repertoire on torture and unusual punishment visited Julian. His name is Professor Nils Mills. They're accompanied by two doctors that specialize in determining the results of psychological torture on the body and on the mind. They, Professor Nils Mills, wrote

a report 26 pages long, which he submitted to the United Nations, to the United Kingdom Government, to the Swedish Government. With several questions in which all outlined irregularities due process failures and the consistency of malice, mobbing, amounting to torture. Over a period of up until that time, seven and a half years constant. So that has had dire effects on Julian's healthy had a stroke about three

months ago. Which is caused a left eye to collapse a little bit. So circumstances like that are deleterious to even the strongest human being. However, the work we are doing in the support the Julian gets around the world is heartening because a fundamental aspect of being in jail is you're completely isolated. And you're at the intricate command of forces which you can't alter even in the

slightest way. That is, you become isolated and awfully lonely. And loneliness causes you to rely on relationships with the jailers and those sort of, another priceless. Having support around the world is as Julian does, and as we do, is strengthening, as you can imagine. Now that's the circumstances of Julian's well-being. His health is dire. However, his resilience is supported by us and by the supporters around

the world. Outlying what that's outlining, what that support actually is for a minute. Every Western Parliament, either the exception of Sweden and Sweden used to have supporters but they retired. Every Western Parliament has an asanj cross-party group in it. Even the Congress of the United States of America has people on both sides of the oil who support Julian. As a consequence of the absolute necessity to

preserve our capacity to have what we call free speech or free pass, it covers both sides of the oil in an umbrella. Every Western nation has adopted in one way or another the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights. In particular, the Council of Europe's clause 10 says that you can have free speech under certain circumstances. But we keep in mind that the First Amendment is

categorical in its statement that the government will make no laws and we hold that to our hearts and we try and emulate that throughout the Western world. That's the general outline of circumstance. The Greek Parliament, it has 300 members, 92 in the Asanj cross-party group. And so it goes from the air force of the United States of America. Every Parliament, I can outline. Council of Europe,

declaration that Julian is a protected journalist. 27 of the greatest civil society organisations, human rights watchers, so on and so on and so on have written a letter to the Department of Justice Head, Mary Garland, saying that these charges ought to be dropped. Gabrielle can go on with several other great organisations that have made it plain that this re-enhanced of the First Amendment and compression and

chilling of the capacity for publications to inform the public outside of government dictate is essential. When it's just for people to understand or inform us, we don't understand he is in this maximum security prison which seems just over the top anyway for a journalist and kill anybody. I mean, doesn't really make sense but he's in a jail in England. What is England have him arrested for?

Well, he's held in this jail solely at the request of the US National Security DOJ. They have charged him with 17 counts of the Espionage Act in relation to the Chelsea Manning Leaks. From 2010, 2011, so we're talking about the Iraq War logs, Afghan war diaries, Guantanamo Bay detainee files and the State Department cable set. So that's all those charges, those 17 Espionage Act charges, all

relate to publishing that information which includes in the instance of the Iraq War, the famous collateral murder video. The Apache helicopter gunship that it mows down to Reuters journalists and then also shoots the van of good Samaritans that come to rescue these injured people. So that's what he's charged with is publishing, possessing that information and also attempting to protect Chelsea Manning's identity as well as the

encouraging source to leak information. So this is the bread and butter of journalists everywhere. And I find this interesting and it's just common that other countries jail you for what America wants. I mean, I don't really know the history of this approach. Yeah, well, I mean, it is, you know, this is the template, right? Like what is happening to Julian? Is the template for this sort

of action? This is what we call extraterritorial use of the Espionage Act to reach into another country and put a journalist in prison or put a business person in prison. You know, what's happened to Julian is now being able to be a copycat sort of thing that's happening around the world. You look into the Wall Street Journal journalist in Russia who's just been charged with Espionage.

So since the Cold War, Russia has ejected journalists. You know, they just throw them out. Oh, we don't like you, you know, get out of the country. But this is the first time since the Cold War that they've actually gone one step further. And said, okay, we're going to charge your journalists with Espionage. You know, they're looking at the US and the National Security do it.

Yeah, Jay and they're saying, well, you can do it. Why can't we? Right. Yeah. And similarly with Jamal Kashoggi, right? Like the Saudi journalist who was murdered in a Turkish embassy. Yeah. Saudi Arabia can look and say, well, the US has a publisher in prison in the UK. You know, what's to stop us from doing what we want? Essentially killing him. I mean, they're killing you

know, slow motion murder. Yeah. What Niels Milza, the UN Special Reptile on torture described it as a slow motion murder before our eyes. As you've traveled the world, are you? Are you gaining hope, John, that this effort making a film, you know, you've been standing with these organizations and groups, you know, outside of capitals around the world, outside of the jail itself. Do you feel hopeful

about the future of this story? Yeah. I mean, we sort of like, we exist under the saying, you know, how it makes a good breakfast from a bad dinner. It just do the very best each day that comes to you. And it seems as though to us that there is two things that we're a catalyst for the interest. In people, in the interest of people in

Julian Assange, WikiLeaks and those publications, we are a catalyst. We don't create it. We just move into societies and exhibit the film and find within them in those societies that there's this heartening thing, this uplifting thing, a revolting at injustice. And a yearning for justice. So we find that. We've now have in Australia, for example, 88% of the population want Julian brought home. And 25% of

the parliament support Julian Assange. Now, parliament has sovereign institutions and in the majesty of parliament, they instruct the executive on their collective. And the concerns and the concerns that the people bring before them. This is really important. The revitalization of Congress and the Australian parliament, in this case, and the model that we create in the pursuit of freedom for Julian Assange is a model that can

be followed by other people with current concerns. For example, the conflict in New York. This is a model that can be applied to people who want to see peace, not war. We have found that in the Australian example, now, the High Commissioner, which is slightly higher than an ambassador, the High Commissioner of the Australian Government to the Court of St. James, that is the United Kingdom,

is visiting Julian in Belmont. The United Kingdom is visiting Julian Assange on the 4th of April. We must understand, articulate the concerns of the Australian government over the treatment, the malice, the bureaucratic officerification, the refusal to allow Julian to travel to his own court hearings. The collapse of due process, the irregularities, for example, in the irregularities, the crown prosecuting service of the United Kingdom, and the

know, just wore out. They only stopped their persecution of Julian Assange. After Julian was removed from the embassy by force, which you see in the trailer. They stopped it because they had achieved their aim. They had broken every due process, their own laws. In fact, Julian's lawyers took two cases. To the federal court, that's their highest court in Sweden, took two cases to the Swedish federal

court to insist that the Swedish prosecuting authority progress the case. And the federal court determined that the prosecuting authority had been lax and instructed them to progress the case. Every element of this is covered in Nils Mills' book, The Trial of Julian Assange. One due process, one irregularity, malice after the other. It's just an ongoing scandal. Sorry. No. I mean, it's really, really important. And it's

important for us all to understand. And I think it's hard for people that aren't journalists, I suppose, to just sort of get into this space. When you look at this now, Gary, when we see these other governments all sort of, as we're saying, he's in a jail in England. England doesn't even have anything against him. They're literally holding him because of, you know, the US and

their desire to extradite in which has been denied. Covered that in the documentary that gets denied. But when you start to look at this whole global, you know, Sweden and these other nations, England, what does it has it changed your perspective of how the power systems work? Because why do these other countries care about an American problem? And why are they getting involved in keeping Julian

from getting his story out? And what, you know, is there, do you have this sense that there's a bigger globalist agenda involved? Is America have authority over all these other nations? Do you think about that at all? Yeah, I think, I mean, you know, we're, you know, John, talking about all these abuses of process and these sort of, respected institutions that have now been weaponized against

the publisher and against the journalists for publishing the truth. You know, the Swedish prosecuting service, the Crown prosecutors, to an extent, the Australian government who were complicit in Julian's persecution for a very long time by staying quiet. And, you know, we look at it, or I sometimes say that, you know, this is another, this is like another leak. You know, the fight to free Julian and

the forces that have exposed themselves in Julian's persecution is, you know, like you say, another leak to show all these forces coming together to keep this publisher in jail, explains to us how afraid these power structures are of actually being exposed of having their secrets come out. And the coordination between all these nations, between the Swedish prosecuting service and the Crown prosecuting service, you know, this

email, F O I's, the Swedish prosecutor emailing the Crown prosecutor saying, you know, we want to come and end this, we want to drop this, that's gone on too long. And the Crown prosecutor saying, response is quote, don't get cold feet. This is about more than a simple extradition. So we have that in writing, you know, primary source documents, this conspiracy. To keep Julian in the

Ecuadorian embassy. And also with the UC Global, the security company that was supposed to be protecting Julian when he was inside the Ecuadorian embassy, there were two employees who worked for that company who blew the whistle on what they were up to. And they had been co-opted by the CIA and were spying on Julian. They put up high definition cameras all through the end of the

day. And they were all spying on the embassy to spy on his meetings with his lawyers, his privilege meetings with his lawyers, his meetings with his psychologists and doctors. We're all spied on. They installed microphones all through the embassy, even in the women's toilet, because they thought Julian, I think, oh, that's a safe place to have a meeting. So they put a microphone in there. And

these, these whistleblowers exposed this and showed that the CEO of this company, every 15 years, was flying to the US with this information, with this footage, these recordings. And he made over 100 flights. It's recorded on the flight logs. And this was all confirmed in, at the end of 2021, three investigative journalists in Washington, DC, did a 6,000-word piece. And over a year of investigating. And

they found 30, they cited 30 former and, you know, current intelligence community sources that said there were plots to kidnap Julian that made it as high as the White House. And this, actually, in this report, it says that, you know, they took this plot. And the DOJ were in the same, you know, said to them, well, if you do kidnap him, if the CIA does kidnap

him, what are you going to do with him? You know, where are you going to put him? We don't have any charges. And so that's when we saw, uh, you know, this really pick up pace during Mike Pompeo's time as a CIA director and at the State Department. And recently in Pompeo's book, that's come out, I keep talking about Pompeo's book. I don't want to promote

his book and sell his book for him. But there is a section on Julian Assange where he claims credit for lobbying the Ecuadorians. He says successfully lobbying the Ecuadorians to eject Julian from the embassy. He, uh, claims credit for this prosecution, you know, uh, which is a direct evidence that this is a, uh, politically motivated, uh, prosecution of a publisher and a journalist. Uh, and the

DOJ, you know, they always, uh, this DOJ likes to say, oh, where, uh, you know, we're beyond reproach where, uh, not politically motivated. Well, there's direct evidence that this is a Mike Pompeo pushed, uh, prosecution. Uh, and now we're looking at a Biden, uh, DOJ. Why, you know, it's, it's, it's, you just have to scratch your head. Why are they, uh, pursuing this still? When you

go in and visit with Julian, what do you say to him? You know, a tried making a laugh or smile, but we have hugged and then sit down and, uh, talk about, you know, friends that I've seen because he can't see his friends and family and friends. And then usually kids, you know, how the kids and so on. And then, uh, circumstances of his, uh, of

our, uh, work, uh, to free him, you know, so that sort of covered last. Usually run out of time because, you get an hour. And then you start to develop all these ideas on the bell rings and they start to scream, get out. Um, yes, uh, always. So I sort of heartbreaking and not to leave, um, because you're always, you know, you're a brave, you're a

dead apart. Yeah. I don't like it really. Yeah. I, you know, I like to go there. But I don't like that. That's gotta be. Yes. So, um, but the, you know, like this 80 or 90 prisoners in the room, and the circumstances of Julian's are quite different. It's, uh, it's a maximum security prison. It holds murderers and terrorists and rapists. Um, Julian, uh, is a publisher

and now he's the longest inmate of that prison. It's a remained prison. Specifically keeps people on remand. Then their hearings are done and their sentences or, uh, made and they go to a, uh, prison to serve sentence. Uh, he now is the longest inmate of that particular prison. That's the circumstances of the visit. Actually, they're very thorough. They look at the, when you go in, they

have a sniffer dog. They look at the souls of your feet. They take off your shoes and all. You're not allowed to carry any paper, any money, someone and so forth. Look in your ear, your mouth. They go through two X-ray machines plus a, a wand, uh, and then the sniffer dogs. They're very thorough that way and four portals that you go through. I was, they're

going through with AY. We, there's, uh, the artist you see in the trailer, uh, and he's in front of me. And he's, uh, look at him. I watch him carefully. And he's nervous, so steady. You know, because I notice everybody else is looking around like that, displaying nervousness. But AY, we sort of cruising on. I say to him, uh, he was pretty steady and he says,

oh, been in a lot of these places. Wow. You get it on. He was a Chinese dissident artist. When, so right now the film, you're, you're sort of doing a theatrical tour, correct? Some people, so how do people find out whether if it's going to be in a theater near them? Yeah. So we're doing this theatrical tour. We've got around 59 events around the country. We're

about halfway through. Okay. They can go to, you think a dot movie. That's ITH, AKA dot movie. Okay. That's the film's website. They can follow us on the social media. You think a movie, um, you know, we're always updating where we're at. So we're going to go to the studio. And we're going to go to the studio. And we're going to have a lot of people

come up to us. Yeah. And we're going to have a lot of people coming up next. It will have an eventual release, eventual broader release. But yeah, they can come out and meet us. You know, we have, we're chatting with people all over the country. Um, a lot of people come up to us and say, thanks for doing this. You know, which is, uh, very moving

reaction that we're getting as we travel around. Anyways, that's a great piece ofrado. Thank you, You know, I realize that you have quite a friend. Yes. Okay. Hey, good afternoon. My name is Dalin. Thank you, good morning. Each of those partners signed a letter to the head of the Department of Justice Mary Garland, signed a letter, not the journalist, but the publishers realized that their stature,

their prestige, their capacity to comment is completely truncated by this prosecution. They stand in line if they, in any way, go against what the government wishes. You would have to imagine what we're in Bernstein being jailed at the same circumstances now. If we, if we were going to be living the same culture, you know, what we've known as journalism that reveals lying and deceit by government

officials, which are founding fathers in America, it's exactly why they called this the fourth, the state of the fourth branch of government was, was a free press and that without a free press, all the ideals and, and dreams the founding fathers would be lost. We really hang on the precipice now of exactly that. We are seeing a story of someone that text messaged out a joke

into that you can vote for Hillary Clinton by tweet is now looking at 10 years in jail here in the United States of America. You know, just, and as you said, we're watching journalists being held in Russia. And I'm wonder, Thorey, do we have any more sort of like torture? You can't complain that the Geneva Convention is being broken when you're breaking yourself. You cannot, you

know, accuse Russia of treating journalists incorrectly when the United States of America has your brother in New York. And your son and the maximum security prison simply for sharing documents that were handed to him. We have a very active audience. So what is it that we can do with our audience right now? Besides, I know you can do screenings of the film in your house, but,

you know, what, what do you recommend that we do? Because we do, we have a congressional bipartisan congressional letter that has been sent out. On behalf of Julian Assange, as you said, we have Thomas Massie. She and Yoshi standing next to each other on this issue which is probably the only issue other to people will ever agree on. Yeah. And so as we travel around, we

are always encouraging people to take their con respect from their constituents. It is saying that we're concerned about this. These are our rights that are at stake in our first amendment rights that are at stake in this case. So yeah we're always Capitol Ukrainian against Tavis. We're encouraging people to get involved, call your congressperson, ask them to join on to this letter or support Thomas Massey

or Rokunna in their bipartisan espionage act reform bill. That's the main ask that we're asking people to do. They can also go to AssangeDefense.org and sign up to our mailing list where they can receive updates and we can communicate with them directly. I want to thank you for the technical time and guys have a very busy schedule and I think people would be just honored to

see your films wherever it is they should make that happen. How does this journey end? Have you set a timeline for how long you're going to fight this fight? No, probably have to stop by the time I'm 80. That gives another year and a half. Gabrielle and the rest of Julian's family can carry on and they've become much more articulate and better at it than me.

They make films and raise money and so on. So I'll slowly fade into the sunset while the rest of the world realizes. This is a wrong track we've traveled down and time to straighten up and fly right. Gabrielle, when you look at John, you know, certainly you would think that someone at this point in the life successful builder should probably be just enjoying more time on

a beach hanging with grandchildren when you watch him doing this work. What is your thought as his son? You know, a big admirer of my father and a very, I think it's awesome basically to watch him do this. You know, the way he is able to communicate with people and really explain the ideas behind what Julian's work was all about and what's at stake for people.

I'm really in awe of the way that he's able to do that. It'd be good if he, you know, gets some time to, you know, enjoy a bit of retirement, so to speak. Yeah. I want to thank you both for coming in. Thank you. This is an incredible work. It's such an important issue. So, you know, I just want to wish you God's being to all

of your travels. Thanks very much. Thank you.