ICAN MAKES HISTORY IN MISSISSIPPI

This last week, I can't actually made history, especially when it comes to the issue of medical freedom and choice. This is what that looked like in the news. A federal judge rules that Mississippi must join most other states in allowing religious exemptions from vaccinations that children are required to receive in order to attend school. This ruling comes as a result of a lawsuit filed last year

by several parents who say their religious beliefs have led them to keep their children unvaccinated and out of Mississippi schools. The deadline for the Mississippi Department of Health to allow religious exemptions is July 15th. This is an incredible story. We could just say there it is, but I really want to get into details of it because so many of you out there have been working with

us trying to really make a difference in this space and make sure that we maintain our right to body autonomy now and forever. This is going to be a huge milestone in that journey, especially for those other states that are still suffering from the same type of authoritarian pressure when it comes to your right to opt out of the childhood vaccine program. I wanted to talk

about how we got here because there's many years behind this work and a lot of brilliant people that were a part of it. So this story actually begins for me when I made the documentary Vax from cover up to catastrophe. We had got a bus that said, back on the side of it, we were traveling the nation and people were signing the names of their injured

children on the side of it. Well, one day we pulled the bus up into Mississippi. And there it is, you can see the signatures of all these children who had been either killed or damaged by the vaccines. A powerful site that bus now sits on our campus here at the campus by Ken decide. But there it was. We're in front of the Capitol and something happened.

A couple of mothers warrior moms came up to me as I stepped off the bus and we were usually there just to speak out. We want to take you in the Capitol to meet with some of our representatives, our senators and assembly members. We think you should be talking to them. I had never done that before. And so as they dragged me into the Capitol, I

found myself in these conversations with different political leaders there. And you know, I have to say that the process was super interesting, trying to figure out what really was a perspective. Why they believe that you should have no religious exemption. One of the few states in the country that had that level of oppression in this conversation. And when the day was all over, I would say

that my life was changed forever. I was reflecting on it and thinking, you know, as I'd done it, I walked out of the Capitol and thought, I actually really enjoyed this. I mean, who would have ever thought talking to politicians would be fun or interesting. But the whole game of sizing them up, trying to figure out what things they cared about and find that door that

you could open up into the conversation was really interesting. And I thought to myself, you know, I'm pretty good at this. This is something I want to do more of. And I really changed my journey after that moment. More and more, I was leaving the Vax bus and flying to different capitals to do exactly that. So word got out. Dell likes talking to politicians. But he's

warrior moms blew me away at how much they knew about the political system. The relationships they'd already developed with many of these politicians. And that is sort of the root of what happened. This law would not have been changed. As it was last week, had it not been for the incredible work of mothers. And I mean moms, like very few fathers anywhere to be seen. When

we look back historically, it will be women that really fought to make a difference in this space. So it is my honor and pleasure to be joined by two of those warrior mothers, Lindy McGee and Mary Jo Perry. You guys were there. You dragged me off the bus. I still remember that moment. I remember being terrified. How these women just marched into capital, talking to people

they don't know. You know, Lindy, when you, you know, think about that moment, how long had you already been at this conversation before the Vax bus arrived? How long you've been fighting this, you know, removal of the religious exemption in Mississippi? Well, Vax was in 2016. And we founded in PBR in 2012. So we had been at the Capitol for a few years by then. And

we're moving forward. And I'm glad to have blessed to have been kind of had our hands held by some women that had been working on this ahead of us that were grandmother's by then. So at least three years since 2012. Mary Jo, when we think about this, is my understanding correct that Mississippi was the first one to lose the religious exemption? How long had that been

gone when you guys really started ramping up this attempt to bring back the religious exemption? They're freezing. Oh, am I frozen or they're frozen? Here we go. Technology. Okay. Mary Jo, how long ago did this to be? Somebody was frozen, but I think we're back again. Yeah, great. How long ago did you guys lose your religious exemption? So back in and into up until 1979, Mississippi

had on the books a religious exemption, but it required that the family either be clergy or the religious tradition that it was part of their religious tenants and practices that they could not take vaccines. And so in 1979, a chiropractor from Rankin County, which is where we live, filed a lawsuit against the state. And the state actually decided in the state courts that unconstitutional that our

vaccine law for a religious exemption was unconstitutional. And so they revoked it. And then ever since then, we've not been able to get something to replace it. And the battle with our legislators has monumental and even impossible. We've been promised over and over again that if we, you know, if we would jump through certain hoops and get a certain number of legislators board that they would

pass it. And we've had overwhelming support before almost the entire Republican caucus. And our speaker of the House Philip gun still blocked our bills for religious exemption. So it's been impossible. It's really disappointing that we went through the same thing. And we found up having to take it to federal court. But perhaps this was the best way anyway, because now the state of Mississippi can never

take it away from us. It's really amazing. 1979. And so over 40 years, Mississippi, I mean, first so many people in this movement, it was like California SB 277 2015. This horrific moment that they lost, you know, their religious or personal belief exemption right after that. Fairness to that. I mean, Connecticut is hanging in the balance. But you guys have been at this longer than anybody,

which is why I think this is so fascinating that you've been, you know, really on the forefront of this fight. Now, you know, Lindy, I think we had the schedule that you had for me when we, when I first got off that bus, it was shocking to think, oh, I'm just going to talk to a bunch of moms. You sort of dragged me in there. And

you, I mean, it was like, you know, at 9 a.m. you mean to this person, 930 this person, you know, and so we went through that process. What I think is interesting about this really is that when we think about the religious exemption, this is something I want to talk about. I had been there. So I went in the first day, went really well. We talked

to politicians. You guys said, Dell, that was really effective. Now part of it, it seemed that unfortunately, this is the politics can sort of be like a man's show. Do you find it was difficult, even there was only women in there to really be taken seriously? Absolutely. Absolutely. We did. We, our lawmakers are misogynistic and paternalistic and saw a lot of us are just saw our

movement as a bunch of emotional mothers. We would come with the science and the facts and leave the emotions behind. And, you know, armed with the science and they were, they were not hearing it. They dismissed us. And so when Vax came on the scene and you were speaking out in moral courage, that is what we were talking about. And so we were talking about what

we wanted you to come in and speak to our lawmakers. And we did find that they were more receptive to you. You know, Mary Jo and I, so many people that are part of MPVR who were up there lobbying. Our husbands are back at home working so that we're able to do that. And we just were not taken seriously. So in our year after year, said

that we couldn't get anywhere. Well, I remember I visited several times over the first couple of years there and it felt like we were really starting to get traction. And then one day you called me and said, Dell, we have finally got a hearing in front of, I believe it was the Senate Health Committee if I, if I remember correctly. But the House, the House Health

Committee. And you said you're going to allow us to have a speaker speak and we would like you to do that. And I remember I came down instead of course. And that morning, I, you know, woke up and I was really actually, you know, praying and thinking about how are we going to address this body of people? I had never done it before. We'd never really

had that whole like Health Committee allowing us to, like give a presentation. They said you can do a PowerPoint. You said they're going to be open to a PowerPoint. And I remember that morning thinking this is wild that we're in the Bible belt here. We are where, you know, religious belief really carries more weight than anywhere else. I'm fighting this conversation. Certainly more than California. And

it just dawned on me. You know, I sort of, you know, was moved to think, you know, my dad is a minister. I grew up in church. Let me actually connect these two thoughts together. And I gave a speech that I have since sort of, you know, weaved in throughout speeches I've given since. But this was the first time I sort of, you know, also showed

the science but moved into a conversation about spirituality and even more specifically the Bible. This is fascinating. It's raw. You can't see it. This is a big tribute to CB early days. Dell does a little Bible thumping. Take a look at this. Genesis 27. So God created man in his own age. In the image of God, he created him, man and female. Then God left the

God, said, let me through the whole of the world. We are creating in the image and life of God. The perfect He created the body. It's seven, eight, two backs. The image of his divine ear. It goes on. Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the feet. Little later on. And the serpent said to the woman, you will not surely die. For God

knows that in the day, you eat up this tree. Your eyes will be with you. And it will be like God, no more good than evil. This is what we're supposed to protect ourselves up. This is what we're supposed to keep remembering. There are egos and ideas. And then wanting to be God or do something better. It makes us make mistakes. We make mistakes when we

get out of control. And we start thinking we're better than God. And then in the end, they come to themselves and leave. God, the form says. So we said, I heard your voice in your garden. I prayed because I was naked and I hid myself. And he said, who told you that you were naked? That you eat from those reasons. I can't eat from that. You

should not eat. Who told you? You were naked. Who told you? You needed seven, eight, two backs and two living gods of life. Who told you that God had failed so miserably in creating you? That you needed all the things that sleep. Grimm of animals and the board of evil tissue. Who told you that that was so? I still remember that moment. And when we sort

of showed the sound sign of pharma key that was so similar to that, you know, biblical image of Adam and Eve and the serpent wrapped around the snake. And there was this gas. I mean, I've never experienced it like an audible gas through everyone in the room that I was looking at. And I honestly felt like that the conversations we started having from that moment on

changed a very serious way. Did you, you know, I mean, we really started gaining traction and Mississippi from that moment on. It was powerful. That speech was absolutely powerful. And, you know, we're, we're in Mississippi, the Bible belt. And our seeking a religious exemption just in the end. And the fact that we were met with such opposition is so evident of how deep the medical establishments,

claws are in our politicians. And I know not just Mississippi is dealing with that. But, you know, we are predominantly Republicans here at Red State. But as far as how our legislators legislate, we are purple at best. Yeah. And of course, there was just a part of a conversation where it already laid out all the science. What was wrong with the public? The vaccines, the dangers,

the injuries, all of it. But in that moment, we really struck a chord. And Mary Jo soon after that, I started feeling like we were, we were holding majorities in voting bodies. But the problem kept being and, you know, that we couldn't get to the floor. I remember we were talking to, you know, your representatives in Mississippi that let, look, if you get this to the

floor, I will vote in your favor. I am now, you know, I'm with you. But we just kept getting stalled by, you know, being put into like a health committee. That wouldn't allow out committee. I mean, it was like years of incredible frustration because you had the votes. Do you feel like you had the votes this whole time? I do think we had the votes the

whole time. I think that the problem all along has been the leadership in the House and in the Senate. And I don't know if it's like this in other states, but the leadership kind of, they rule with an iron fist. And there's been a lot of discontent in our House of Rep. Representatives because our Speaker of the House has ruled with an iron fist. And even

those legislators who were not on our side, the year that we had almost the entire Republican caucus who, you know, had agreed committed to vote for our bill, you know, even, even then he wouldn't, he wouldn't let it out of committee and made some excuse like that they all just said that they would because they felt guilty. Like it was, it didn't matter what we did.

And I'm not really sure. But I think that's where where the power is. I don't necessarily think it's the drug companies. I think it's the medical association. They're very afraid. And they're very afraid of the white coats in our Capitol. Well, last year, you know, Aaron, Siri and I, and we've been looking at, you know, approaches all around the country. We really started looking at certainly

when you're losing ground in California, watching Maine flip, Connecticut, hanging in the back. And I think that's the only way to get the balance. It's just always been a goal to stop that, that blood loss and actually move it in another direction. Something that's never happened. You know, we're starting to see that we can block bills better California, having some luck there. But we've never been

able to reverse it back in the right direction. That does not happen. And Aaron, Siri and I got together and really started brainstorming. Is there another way to look at this? There's been cases that say, you know, we have a religious right, you know, to a body autonomy, a connection to the body. And God, but it keeps losing because it just was too general and they

would point to things like Massachusetts versus Jacobson, a 1905 ruling around smallpox and the minister there. But Aaron and I were talking and we came up with a new strategy. I'm joined now by, I think someone who'll go down as one of the great constitutional attorneys of all times and the lead attorney for ICANN, the work we do, Aaron, Siri. Aaron, can you just say, I'm

not sure if you're going to be able to do that? I can't describe, you know, what was unique about this approach and this lawsuit that ICANN funded, obviously, there were plaintiffs there. All the mothers and families there that are working so hard are a huge part of this. But we were happy to, you know, sort of, you know, support this and bring in a little bit

of a new perspective. So can you give some details on exactly how we brought this case and what made it unique? Sure, happy to, Dale. And yeah, it's extremely, heartening that a federal court has now found that there is a religious right under the United States Constitution. Yes, huge. I mean something, yeah, I'm in the state of Mississippi. Yeah. And that president is generally applicable and

can be applied pretty much to any state in this country, which is what makes it even more incredible and and more hopeful in terms of where everything is going in this country when it comes to medical freedom. That said, yes. I'm going to issue Mississippi as you pointed out in your discussions with Lindsey Mary Jo is that despite the incredible lobbying efforts that that, you know,

that they and you and the other parent groups and parents in Mississippi had done for a decade. My understanding is that there had been a bill proposed every year for the last 10 years pretty much to ensure to add a religious exemption to the vaccine requirements to attend school in Mississippi despite the introduction of bills. And I think that's a great idea to get out of

committee in particular my understanding is and is that the lieutenant governor wouldn't let that happen. So while there might have been the political will by even a majority of the members of the Mississippi legislature. And while there was, you know, an incredible lobbying effort by the parents who are who had their lives often torn a sunder by the lack of a religious exemption where they had

to put. And I think that's why the state is not just violating their sincerely held convictions and potentially gamming their children and their mortal souls when they had to make that incredible choice which no American should ever have to do. That's why. Absolutely. First amendment, the first right under our constitution. When we looked at that issue, I think it became clear that the solution here was

not going to come from the legislature. It needed to come from a federal judge deciding that under the United States Constitution, which overrides the entire state of Mississippi's state law, legislative body, governor, executive branch, that under the United States Constitution, the citizens of Mississippi do have a right to a religious exemption to the vaccination requirements. And that was the sole and singular ground on which we

brought. The case that we brought using precedent that had developed over the last two years that had come out of the United States Supreme Court, the constitutional landscape around the legislative freedom of America had changed over the last two years. And we took advantage of that. And in a truly excellent, extremely well-reasoned decision. And the judge gets incredible credit for it. Really. Brilliant decision. 39 pages

laid out precisely why in Mississippi there needs to be a religious exemption. But there had been, I mean, look, there have been religious exemption cases in New York, sort of fighting on. We just have a constitutional right. But I think what was really unique about this was you sort of use this comparison right. Saying, essentially the constitution is saying that if you have any sort of

right or protection that's going to be given to one group of people that isn't religious, the religious group has got to have that mirrored protections. That's essentially, I mean, that was the added nuance I felt like because it wasn't the first time, you know, religious rights was argued. No, there has been, there have been cases for pretty much 100 years in this country seeking to find

that. We have a right under the First Amendment to say no to a right. What changed on the Supreme Court constitutional landscape is that governors as you were aware and your audience is certainly aware. Started shutting down and doing all types of closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. Go COVID-19 pandemic, including of churches. But while they shut down churches, they let Walmart grocery stores and other places

stay open. People brought challenges to that saying, hey, well, wait a second. If it's not a health imperative that everybody has to stay home, if you could still go to Walmart, you should be able to go to church. You can't, you can't say these two activities, which effectively have the same amount of risk going to church or going to Walmart. But yet you're going to favor

a secular activity. And not permit the religious activity. If there are two activities that are effectively similar and you're going to permit the secular activity to go for it, you can't then claim of a compelling interest to have to scrush the First Amendment religious freedom right to stop an equivalent religious activity. In particular, Fulton Tandem, these are two US Supreme Court decisions that came down in

the last two years. And in some ways, the overreach, the fact that these some governors in this state decided to go too far, resulted in those decisions, and brought that jurisprudence to a real, into real focus. And we use that same exact precedent. In fact, I would call it a clarification, a development of the jurisprudence. At the end of the day, our Constitution is a living

document. And what it means, for better or worse, is what the United States Supreme Court at the end of the day says, as well as the circuit courts and the district courts below it over time. And that jurisprudence had moved the society in the direction of protecting religious freedoms and had done so within the context of a pandemic. So it was, it was, it directly became

applicable to what was going on in Mississippi. And you know, and hitting reading those decisions, they're long. If anybody wants to read them, you know, Fulton's 100 pages almost. Great reading, though, if you're interested. And the whole litany of those cases, and we took those exact same principles, that precedent, and we brought a lawsuit saying exactly the same thing. We said, hey, look, in Mississippi, there

is a secular exemption to attend school without a vaccine. It's called the medical exemption. Right. And if there isn't a health imperative to exclude children for that secular reason, that means there is an opportunity. There is a possibility to send children to school without vaccines. And hence, if you're going to have a secular exemption, you need to have a religious exemption. The judge agreed and were

heartened. He did, again, like I said, in a short 39 pages session that everybody agreed to read. I think we have an excerpt from that decision, very powerful stuff. Here is the effect of July 15, 2023. The Injoined Party shall be in join from enforcing the Compulsory Vaccination Law, unless they provide an option for requesting a religious exemption. By July 15, 2023, Defendant State Health Officer

I want to say, personally, I want to say, I want to be a witness to the Law. I'm going to be a witness to the Constitution. I'm going to be a witness to the Constitution. I want to say that I plan on through the sponsors that we have that support all the work we do to send you in every other state that thinks that they're going

to rob people of a religious exemption. We're going to send you forward to get back the religious right to freedom, body autonomy, all across the country. Still left on the docket. Of course, we've won in Mississippi. We're going after California, West Virginia, New York, Maine and Connecticut. And this is a very exciting moment. I know there's a long road ahead. What was the moment like? I

mean, as an attorney, obviously, we've all watched you in the plock and deposition and doing these depositions. You have this great sort of stoic approach to things. You know, you know, lead through with grace and candor. What was it like the moment this was decided for all of those mothers that were there that had been fighting this for years? Just from your perspective, you describe what

that was like? Absolutely. If I may just give the backdrop of that debt. We had an evidentiary hearing actually in the morning, which lasted a few hours. And we had six plaintiffs. Three of which took the stand. One of one of them, for example, was a pastor in the state of Mississippi who is the head of a school in which he cannot send his own daughter.

In fact, he wasn't aware of the Mississippi vaccination laws. And his daughter was attending his school. And as well as other parents. And in his church and in his community. And he had to actually exclude people from his own congregation from his own school, including his own daughter. Wow. Then had to be home school. We had another of our plaintiffs took the stand and explained how

she moved right across the border into Alabama. But effectively lived her whole life in Mississippi. She still heard children came into Mississippi pretty much every day. They had to play baseball with all the kids they could be going to school with and said they couldn't. To hang out with their family, with their friends. To go to the club that they hung out with. And so they

lived their lives in Mississippi and just had to drive in every single day. But send their kids in Alabama. And we had one other plaintiff of a similar type of situation. It was a doctor. And so, you know, those, I think that really set the stage for the day right then and there with these incredibly powerful, you know, real world life experiences of our plaintiffs and

what they have endured to hold true and fast to their religious convictions. You know, nothing shows your religious beliefs. Unless you can burn somebody at the stake, I guess. I don't know. Then then the sacrifice they're willing to take to maintain them. And these folks have endured incredible sacrifices. After that hearing was done, the judge actually, I would say in a, in my experience, move, ask

that everybody please come back to the courtroom in around an hour and a half. And the judge would at least issue a tentative ruling from the bench. The judge, you know, I think sensitive to the crowd wanted to give, as he said, everybody a sense of where this was going so that they knew that they weren't left in suspense. And the courtroom, you know, I think

that's a great thing. It was an incredible, you know, one side of the courtroom was packed with families. I see a picture on the screen with the, that's just some of the folks that were there on one side of the courtroom. And the other side of the courtroom for the government side was completely in. Okay, that's the scene in the courtroom. All right. And, and so

we left and we came back. And, you know, before we walked in, I had an opportunity to just address all the questions. All the folks who were coming in in support of getting a religious exemption, I asked them, you know, I'm sure that whatever the judge decides, it'll be emotional. And if folks could just, you know, keep it just under wraps just for a moment until

the judge leaves the courtroom so that there wasn't an outburst while the judge was still on the stand. You know, you're on federal court. There's a level of decorum that's always and. And I can tell you when we were sitting there and the judge came out and the judge. Had a quite a long line up, I would, you know, and, and, and thank counsel, both sides

for, you know, the papers and the arguments. And, you know, I, I, I too would have actually thanked the attorney general's office and the department of health attorneys who were both extraordinary professional throughout litigation. I thought that they also did a very effective job representing their councils and, and I think the judges rights commend them as well for their work in the case. And then the

judge finally said, and so I've reached my decision. And the pulmonary junction is, and the judge just paused. And you could just feel the air in the courtroom just was as thick as, as it could be. And then you heard of the word granted. It was an incredible moment. I mean, I, I, I chills go up and down my spine. Let's bring in the, and let's

bring Lindy back in here and, and Mary Joe, you've been there. You've been at. I just fight for so long. What was that moment like? As you sat there and in tests, anticipation of it and, and to finally hear those words. I'll just say that I personally. Go ahead, Linda. After a decade, more than a decade of getting our hopes up and being cautiously optimistic over

and over again. I was very optimistic about, especially when we left at lunch. That the judge would rule in our favor. But it was just, it's still, it's still serene. It's still serene. And I wake up every day just thanking God for finally delivering Mississippi from the oppression that, that these parents have lived under for all this time. It was an incredible, incredible day. Joe, is

that moment like, you know, the reactions by the moms were they able to keep it quiet? There was, um, well, we weren't, we were, um, we were, um, instructed that we weren't allowed to make a peep until the judge held the court earlier. So everybody was sort of holding their breath. And as soon as he was out the door, there was tears and hugging and, um,

we all went out afterwards. And I remember walking to my truck and thinking, um, and just breathing the air and, and just thinking Mississippi just feels different already. It just, it just felt different. But I'm convinced that, you know, um, scripture tells us that God is going to make the small, great and the great small and Mississippi is sort of, you know, look down on, we're

last in a, in a lot of things. But I believe that because Mississippi is the most religious state, it's mostly Christian, that we have a lot of praying people here. And I think that we've got a spiritual battle, um, going on in the country and that Mississippi is being used by God to begin to heal our land. There's a scripture that's gotten sort of cliche because

people say it so much, but I'd like, I'd like to read it. Second Chronicle 714 says, if my people who are called by my name, she'll humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will heal their land. And, you know, we had, we've got a huge prayer group of MPVR families. And anytime

something like this comes up, you know, they're, we're fasting, we're praying and, um, and I really think that our faith is what has kept us in this so long kept us from giving up. But I just, I just feel so blessed to be in the middle of a battle for what's right and beyond the winning side because we know we have a Lord on our side.

So, um, but I especially want to thank you. I feel like God has his hand on everything that you're doing and Aaron and, um, and everything that y'all have done over the years, the moral courage, the stepping out and doing the uncomfortable thing, the sure thing, not knowing really how it's going to turn out and what's going to happen. And I believe that when we do

that, when we, when we follow God's call, that, that ultimately that, um, that, and we leave the consequences to him, that that's where we find victory. And I think that's what's being on just beyond words to be a part of it. Well, I just want to, you know, congratulate all of you. Aaron, the great work you've done, Mary Jo Lindy is a final thought and, you

know, we have been, you know, conversing with each other and working on this for, I mean, honestly, you know, since Vax rolled through in two years, in 2017, but for 40 years, Mississippi has been oppressed. And the, the irony that, what, the most probably religious state was the one, you know, blocking a religious exemption to finally come through all of that. There's so many people fighting

now that are watching the high wire, millions watching the high wire, whether they're in states that have similar oppressions or around the world where sometimes it's even worse being arrested. We're going to be talking to someone from New Zealand coming up just a moment being arrested for sharing his spiritual beliefs on this subject. What is your advice? How did you stay strong through all of this?

And what do you want the world to know about this journey for you? That it is worth it that we sacrifice for things that are important. And our phones were all blowing up when the ruling got out very fast. And I know Mary Jo has as well, but I've heard from so many state leaders across the nation. Some in states that have religious exemptions and some

that don't, who share just how encouraging this news has been to them. And I would just cling to faith. And, you know, Galatians 6.9, let us not become weary in doing good for the proper time. We will reap a harvest if we do not give up. And, you know, I feel like the time that it took to get here, just makes the victory that much more

sweet. We've been able to educate so many people. It took in P.V.R. growing to be the beast that we are with over 8,000 families. It took I can growing to be the beast that I can is with the legal team with Aaron for everything to fall in line. And just continue on. Do not give up. It's worth it. You know, this is for our children for

the future of our country. Aaron, I just want to say our, you know, our emails are blowing up. Our phones are blowing up here at I can. I want to thank you for the incredible work you continue to do for us. And just, you know, we are so hopeful. I mean, just feels like this is a time of hope that we actually can use the systems

that are in play. And this is some of the beauty of it. As we say, you know, we had to watch ourselves and say we're warriors or these war words because they want to take those out of context. But what we mean by fighting is fighting using this brilliant court system. We have a Constitution that we have. Does this give us hope that there's still, you

know, something, you know, sort of in the heart of what America represents and the heart of our Constitution and the dream of our forefathers. At a moment where we're losing so much hope that America is going to be this beacon of light and freedom. This feels like a moment where we are saying no. The heartbeat of America is still exists and what that dream of our

founding fathers left for us is still, it's still possible to be realized. Absolutely. In fact, I don't know if I could say it better. When this country was founded, it was founded on the idea on the, on the, on the, on a, on a central core principle among others. But one of the core principles is the idea of religious freedom. Now with that meant back then,

I think it was far broader with people think of it today. People think of religion as something now or something you do on Sunday, but it's not. It's what convicts your heart every day. It's what drives you in how you live your life, how you think, what you do. And many people have deep health convictions and beliefs that are not grounded on something that's from a

pure of each study. But I'm grounded in the way that they view the world, whether they call it God or creator, you know, people still have deeply held convictions that in many ways are religious, even without directly using that exact term. And I think that, I think our court system in particular is beginning to recapture the real meaning of religious freedom. Again, the first freedom in

the first amendment of the United States Constitution. And when you look at Mississippi as the example, these are families, these are parents who, as we talked about earlier, sacrifice so much to hold true to their convictions, to their beliefs. And that's the court system. And finally, is beginning to recognize that. So when we think of it, religious freedom, when we think about a freedom, a religious

exemption to vaccination, that really is something emblematic, not just about vaccines, but even in a broader context. It's the ability for every Americans to live out their convictions, their beliefs, because everybody who has different beliefs often looks at the other and goes, well, I don't know about those beliefs. I don't know about those views. Right. And if all we do is accord the views of the

majority or those that are considered in the norm or those, then we've lost our way in this country. And the whole idea is to make sure that those who have the views that aren't the majority, that aren't considered the norm, that aren't, you know, that the mainstream exceptive views are respected in this country. Because that's why our forefathers had to flee from England and other places

of persecution. That's why the person that meant exists. It exists precisely to make sure that those were in the minority and no doubt those who wanted religious exemption of vaccination are in a minority in Mississippi. It's too long for 44 years. That state has crushed their rights. But as of two days ago, that is no more. We couldn't be more heartened if that's the case. I'm

so excited, you guys. Well done. Well done. I mean, absolutely astounding. I know for us, we've been emotional here. It's, you know, Aaron, as long as I've been working on this with our team here, working with your legal team, this really is a bucket list moment. I think it changes the conversation now. Never before have we reversed. And we are now showing that this movement around,

you know, medical freedom, medical health, body autonomy is no longer just some distant thought. Now we are moving the needle in our direction. The world is moving our way. And I really think that, you know, first of all, we've got them on their heels. Now Goliath is rock back. This is a spiritual war. It's a beautiful, powerful moment to really recognize that God is good. I'm

going to say it. I really, you know, sort of get into that space. But we're talking about the religious exemption folks. And it is now coming to a state near you. We're coming for you. If you want to continue to take the rights of American citizens away, Aaron Lindy, Mary Jo, congratulations. Thank you for being a part of the club. Thank you. All right. Take care.