SBR Vault - Conversations with Danica Patrick and

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our favorite conversations. This week we look back at Brian's interviews with Danica Patrick, host of the Pretty Intense Podcast and an entrepreneur and Molly Bloom, entrepreneur, podcaster, former US ski team member and the author of Molly's Game. Now, enter the sports business radio vault. Now, here's Brian's conversation with Danica Patrick from April 2021. Well, I guess, is Danica Patrick. She is the most successful woman in

the history of American Open Wheel Racing. She's the host of the Pretty Intense Podcast, which you can find on iTunes or podcast platforms everywhere. Danica is joining us on behalf of Power Up Premium Trailmix. You can find her on Instagram and Twitter at Danica Patrick. Danica, thanks for joining me on Sports Business Radio. How are you? I'm doing really well. When I think of one word

to describe you, I think of Fearless. We're racing go carts at age 10 against adults. You moved away at age 16 to England. I have a 16 year old daughter and I can't even imagine her footy. You're on a plane to move away to another country. And then you're an entrepreneur now, which takes a lot of bravery and guts. It's Fearless and Action. I think you're

an adjective to describe you. No, I don't think so. I think it has more to do, because I think everyone has Fear. I think it has maybe a little bit more to do with your relationship with it. And your perception and your sort of understanding of fear. Like I get scared to do things too. I mean, my first instinct is scared. I get scared to do

a podcast when I do it. Oh, my God. I don't want to look like an idiot to this person who's a legend, whoever I'm interviewing. So I get nervous. I get concerned a little here and there. Of course, like anyone. But I also know that on the other side of that discomfort is growth. And it's something that's super important to me. And also joy. Right. So

even in a race car, when you go out and you really push it, you know, and you, you find the edge and you find the limit, you go faster. It's rewarding or you have a tough race and you, you know, you get done and you feel so relieved. And so I think it's sort of, you know, there's like a really age old expression of finding comfort

and the discomfort. And so I think that I think that fear is a lot of discomfort. And I feel like my whole life has been spent trying to find comfort in that discomfort. It's interesting because again, on the on the surface, you would go, wow, a ten-year-old competing against adults and go cars, moving to another country to race cars. And then I'm an entrepreneur as well.

So being an entrepreneur, you've got to stare down failure in the face and say, I'm not going to fail. I'm going to succeed. So you've got to have some pretty brave, courageous traits to be able to do those things that I just mentioned. Perhaps stubborn because it's not actually that it's not actually that you don't fail because there's a lot of failure on the way to

success. So it's not a matter of can't fail. It's a matter of I am prepared to keep failing. Right? Because it's not who, it's who keeps getting up and getting up and getting up. And ultimately there's information, all the loxas, there's information and all the failures. And so if you can find the gems and grow from that and learn from that, then essentially you get to

the point where you do start winning or you are successful and you come out on top. So again, it's kind of like your thought, for me, it feels like my thought process orientation with with the failures, with fear, with discomfort and just knowing that it's kind of, I guess maybe like, it's like a little bit of a roller coaster. You know, you're kind of riding that

sort of like, oh god, and then, and then you can I go, okay, but it's, I guess it kind of, I look at it like as I'm kind of visual. So I look at it kind of like a ratchet ladder where it's like you kind of keep going up and up and up. And so I actually was just thinking about this today. I, I just passing

thought of the fact that my life, I've, I've, I've said this for a long time, and that my life changes in ways that I would never expect every couple of years. And that's a scary thought because you think everything that you have is what you want. And, but it's, I realize now that it's because I say yes to growth. I say yes to progress. I say

yes to evolving. And sometimes almost every time it means change. And so your life is going to look different when that happens. Where does it come from? The resilience that you have and and saying yes and be able to ride the roller coaster and always bouncing back up for for more challenges. I would have said that that was something that is in me and I just

have it. But then I had a friend. I was sitting down with her last year and we're having lunch and she's similar and and and and and and able to cope and cope with stress and, you know, like I feel super grateful that anxiety is not a part of my life. And I know that that's something that people struggle with. And just this, I think, I

think that's a great thing. It's sort of like go like super aggressive, confident, fearless mindset and the strength, maybe strength is like the kind of nicer encompassing word. And she pointed out she's she did ballet. She was a ballerina. And she pointed out how tough that world is and how tough my world was and how early we did it. How young we were when we did

it. So I guess that gave me a little bit of an new perception of my strength because I've been practicing that and put in tough situations since I was 10. So, you know, I feel like, you know, I think there's, you know, somebody might have had a more softer sort of upbringing, something with maybe even more like, you know, tenderness, coddle, and I think that's what

I was thinking. And I think that when you're thrown in the deep end, you got to figure it out. And so I just learned how to do that really early. And I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for everything. All my, all the things that have happened. All the, of course, the good. Because that's easy to be grateful for the good. But all the bad too, because

I feel like, I feel like it's, you know, it's really made me feel so good. It made me into who I am. And also there's a season for everything. Like, like, you know, there's a season for working. There's a season for relationships. There's a season for like being really joyful. There's a season for, you know, just stressing about something. There's just like seasons. Like there are

in real life and nature, right? There's just seasons for things. And so I think that the things that I've dealt with that are tough have really served me well. And it's not a matter of sort of dismissing them or getting rid of them or not. Running them be a part of it. It's going to get that seasons over with. And it's time for a new one.

A lot of athletes I've talked to on the show over the years during their career. Some of them get the fact that they're auditioning for their next career, right? You're building the relationships. But when you're not competing anymore, others wait till the end. And they're like, okay, now I got to think about what I'm going to do next. You strike me as someone who was thinking

about the next phase of your life during your racing. And so what did you do to try and lay the groundwork for some of the things that you're doing now? Bobby Rayall told me a long, long, long, long time ago that he just not spend all my money. Number one, number two, he said that he always wanted to make sure that he could maintain the same

kind of lifestyle after racing as he had during. And so that sort of planted the seed of other things. Other businesses and the fact that there's, I actually, it's not really for me. It was a little bit of a twist on it because I felt I very fortunate. I did really well. But it was more a matter of using the platform when I had it to

start sort of like to like let that sort of roll into the next thing or use that as an opportunity to show what I was doing next. And so, so that's kind of, what I'm going to do. How I used it, but I just, I really like doing and I like, I like, I like, I like, growing, I like learning, I like helping, I like being

inspiring. So really all of my businesses are rooted in in some sort of form of inspiration. At their core, which I've always felt like it's really important to have businesses that have long term, like long far out their goals because. If it's to interview someone in particular or if it's to make X amount of money or whatever that may be, that's a really, that has an

end point and a ceiling essentially at least in my mind. And so I like having, I like, orienting the things that I'm doing around a serrate word. A mission as opposed to what I'm doing. I like that. I want to talk about your pretty intense podcast. I love it. I've become addicted to it. It's in my rotation. Now I love the episode with Amy Lee from

Evan Essence. Thank you. Gary V. Luz fantastic fellow entrepreneur. I just think it's a deeply psychological podcast. And don't take offense to this. But while you are racing, I heard you interview him. But I'm seeing a different side of you now and a much deeper side of you now via your podcast. And I love the conversations you have. And I find them therapeutic as well. So

every time I'm done with one of your podcasts, I feel like I've learned three or four new things that I didn't know before or that can help me in my life. And frankly, with this podcast, which I've been doing for 17 years, that's one of the things I try to do with our conversations is I want our audience to. Leave with a few changeable takeaways that

they can apply to their life immediately. And they still like, wow, that was worth listening to. Yeah. The jams. It's like. I haven't just a simple saying. It's not mine. It's a rom. Doss is, but it's we're all just walking each other home. And I really feel that's true. And so I'm so grateful that you said that. Thank you. I I truly just enjoy people. I'm

fascinated by him. Actually, if anyone asked me what I would have done. If I wasn't a race car driver, many times I've said I would have been some kind of psychologist or a shrink or whatever you want to call me therapist. And because I'm fascinated with people as well as like figuring things out. And so helping people and like how to get how to feel better,

how to be how to be living better and happier. And so. So I I do psychoanalyze my guests a little. That's good. I do too. And I'm really happy. And I think a good podcast host is naturally curious, right? And you're trying to put yourself in the seat of your listeners. So that you're hopefully asking some of the questions that your listeners would want to hear

from the guests. But walk me through your process. What's Danica Patrick's process when preparing for a podcast? So it's kind of had a little bit of an evolution because at first. It was a little there was a little more more people involved. And I've streamlined it. And partly because I found that it didn't really need as much. But I would I now my process is I

used to get like 15 pages from a from a researcher. And I go through as really good. A lot of great information. And I'd circle as I went along and write notes in the margin. And then I go back overall my pages and kind of formulate like the best. I pick the best topics that I was interested in. And then I would start to organize a

flow for it. And then write those out. And so I'd write it all out and then rewrite it again on the note. So by the time I read it, organized it, wrote it once and then wrote it again. I don't usually need it. But that was kind of the long version of how I used to prepare. Now I find that I have more trust and tell

me if you this you can relate to this. But there's like really listening to the words being said so that because there's always a question in the information that they're giving. There's there's naturally another level of curiosity, a layer deeper or something. Something a branch off of it. So I trust that flow a little bit more than I used to. I just never wanted to get

into a position with someone where I sat there and went. So what's next? I can't be I'd feel so bad. I feel like I try and put myself to a pretty high standard for my interviews because I've been interviewed so many times. I know what I like and don't like and know what's appropriate. Not. So a couple of two rules that I just don't do in

my interviews. As I just I don't dig into the stuff that isn't appropriate. Or that I know that they wouldn't want to go into. And I just try and not add. I ask typical questions. And so those are sort of my two general rules for myself. And now I pretty much listen to a podcast. Like if I just search our name and like Apple like iTunes,

you know, Apple podcast. I just I just go in and I find whatever they've done recently. I listen to one and I make notes. Sometimes I'll listen to another on sometimes I'll just Google or research some information. But generally with one podcast, I can use. And I'm actually extract enough topics that I'm curious about. And it's not that I'm asking the same question that's being asked

in the interview. It's that they've said something in their answer that is pertaining to how I like to do my interview. And I'm like, Oh, I know they're willing to go there. And so then I kind of write that down. So. There's a lot of information in a podcast as you, you know, like listening to them. They're right. There's just so many gems. And so that's

kind of how I prepare now. Sometimes I I do like to always create a lot of things. I don't usually need it. But I like to be prepared with let's say either like five topics that I can naturally transition through or like 10 questions and those sort of 10 questions. They, you know, they're just a guide. But, you know, lots of conversations just go all over

the place. But it's it's really like what it Lewis House told me a long time ago. Based on someone that gave him advice as he said, someone told him, is it really what if I'm not interesting? He's like, no, no, he's like, you don't have to be interesting. You just have to be interested. And I was like, Oh, that's so good. And so between that and

listening to listening to understand versus listening to respond is another one that is really helpful in the process. So yeah, it's come. It's it's come along. I look at guys like, I mean, you've been doing this for 17 years. You might be the OG of podcast and been doing it for 17 years. Wow. But I look at guys like, you know, Joe Rogan and people who

sit there and talk to just all kinds of different people for who, you know, two plus hours. And I'm like, you know, that's next level kind of stuff. And so intelligent. But that's, I don't know if you find this too. But in doing these so many interviews, like you learn so much. Right. And I think people want to know you did your homework a little bit,

right? So it's not the car wash as I call it where tell me about your book. Tell me about your latest project where anyone could ask that question. So do your homework. And then I think you do a really nice job of even if you don't know the person, like we're talking for the first time, right? Now we've never had a conversation. You do a nice

job of making your audience feel like you've known this person. And, you know, there's a good rapport there. Because sometimes it can be an awkward conversation. But I don't get that when I listen to your interview. Some people I can tell that you've been friends with them. For a while and you've known them. And there's a friendship or a rapport there. But other people, some of

the experts you've had on your show that you don't have a relationship with. It still sounds like a comfortable conversation. And that's the thing about podcasting. I used to be at radio radio. You got to take breaks every 10 minutes. And it's very structured. And podcast conversations could go on for 90 minutes or two hours or however you want. And it's very conversational and free flowing

and organic versus. Okay. This is an interview and we have to check all these boxes during the interview. But I just like the listening format a lot better. It's kind of how we speak, right? Exactly. My past is basically how we speak. So it you really feel like you're in the room in a conversation or sitting listening to two people on a couch, you know, like

you. Because it's the way that you'd speak if you were sitting around at home. And so, um, or, you know, out to lunch or something like that. So yeah, I mean the podcast world is obviously blown up. And I'm glad because I remember when I first I was promoting my book back at the beginning of 2018. And, um, and I only did a few interviews. I

did Joe Rogan. I did Rich Roll. And I did Lewis House. I think we're like the three podcasts I did, which are great big podcasts. Right. Um, I had never done any. And of course at first I'm thinking to myself like. How long am I going to be? How long is this interview? Like, and then after I did a interview, I was like, that's a lot

of fun. Actually, I would rather do a couple of those a day than bounce around in and out of a car to do a five to seven minutes segment in a studio. Um, so yeah, I think that it's I'm so glad that people are resonating with the long format because, um, you know, it's just so much deeper and more informational. And I love that there's a

hunger out of people that they are wanting that because to me it tells it's a, it's gross. It's that you're, you know, you're not going to be able to do it. You're, you're, you're able to keep your attention on something for an extended period of time and also like really learning and getting into a conversation. Um, so I'm glad. You're listening to sports business radio. We'll

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Morgan Stanley dot com backslash G S E now back to sports business radio with Brian burger. And I think what would it be like if I did a podcast with them with my siblings and, you know, I learn a lot about you. And like I said at the beginning of this conversation, I feel like via your podcast, I've learned more about you. And just listening to

those then I did during your career. And it's not any offense about like you said, you would do five to seven minute interviews. You do quick radio hits. It wasn't a deeper conversation. So kudos with the pretty intense. I think it's fantastic. I'm always anxious for the next episode to come out to listen to it. And, you know, there's a lot of people that have tried

podcasting. Post career. I'll be honest with you. Some of them do a good job and some don't do a great job. I think you do an outstanding job. So. Oh, man, that's really cool of you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll keep doing a couple more episodes. I'm interviewing a Lannis Morissette on. Wow. I'm excited for that just because she's been always like an all time favorite

of mine. But I've been lucky enough to interview some really cool people. So, you know what it's like. It's like, who am I talking to? You're not cool. Yeah, it is cool. Because again, being curious and just wanting to be curious about talking to that person, I think is great. I saw a Lannis Morissette's first arena show. I live in Portland, Oregon. So she did her

first arena show in Portland. And it was really funny because, you know, she's just like this bad ass woman and has all this energy. But before the show, she's like walking around backstage with the teddy bear. And she was really quiet. And then she gets on stage and it's just a lactor. And you're like, oh my God. She's so quiet in her normal life. But on

stage, she's just like this power player. It was really cool to see back in the line. Jagged Low Pill Days. It was it was 1995. Was there very first arena show? Yeah. Though. Yeah. She's done a lot since then. Well, congrats on that. A lot of great music come through. Yeah. Portland has had a lot of great music come through. And a lot of people like

start, you know, kind of in this area and in Seattle. So kind of interesting. All right. I want to talk about some of the other things that you're doing. You are a wine connoisseur. And that's not an easy business either. And you've got to be brave to get into that business because it's competitive. And, you know, a lot of people can just stick their name on

a label. But you've really been involved in your wine brand. Maybe you can tell us a little bit about that. Yeah. Well, there's two now. So it started off with Somniam, which means dream in Latin. Right. And it's because I just I was in Napa Valley drinking, drinking swirling some white wine at 10 AM does again. And I thought man, be so cool to have something

like this someday. And that's why I called it Somniam because it was just a dream at that point. It goes just an idea. So it's really cool to look at these projects and think, oh, God, that was just an idea. That's all it was in my head. And so, so I bought the property in 2009 and planted the vineyard and started from scratch. And so that

finally a bottle was finally for sale in 2017. The 14 vintage was for sale in 2017. So that was a long project. Yeah. But the cool thing is, is it really led into the next one, which was one that launched last year called Danica, Rose. And, and so that's a grown and made in Provance, France, Rose. Man, we've had a really cool promotion that keeps getting

put off every year. We were supposed to launch. Well, over a year ago at Monaco at the ground, the got-movelled thing. And, and then it was supposed to be this year and then back on canceled again. And, but anyway, it's been a really cool project. So I've got really good partners with that one. And so that's growing really fast. So yeah, I mean, people ask me,

why are you in the wine business? And my answer is really simple. And that's just that I like to drink it. When someone comes to you with an idea for a partnership or an endorsement, or when you're thinking about starting a wine company, what are the elements that you need to see in order to say, you know what? Yeah, I'll sign on the dotted line and,

and I'll be your partner or I'll start this business. Well, the first one I've spent a lot of, it's all my own money. And I've spent a lot of it. And so it's a long game project. It's cash in really the core of it is like getting back to like, there's a, there's a dot on the top. And it's like a QR key. Like in a

hotel room or somewhere like marking the spot. And it's sort of a trigger to hopefully get you to read the back label. And then remember, because it's an impact label, but to be present. And so really the message and the feeling is to be present with the company or with and share and, and, and really connected to people, people around you. And so, you know, that,

that is really that was my baby. And then the, the Danica Rose project was a few guys that got together that were, you know, they were interested in making, making wine. And so we made, we decided making some ros. And, and as far as me being involved, it's like, I couldn't think of a more authentic thing to do than make ros in front and France. Like

it's the hometown of Provence is where ros, it's like the birthplace of ros. So, you know, I just think that that for me is so parallel with me as a brand, just being authentic. So, that was, you know, but we're all partners. We're all equal partners. And we, you know, we, we put in the effort. And I mean, I feel like, you know, maybe some put

in more than, than others, like the guy who's out there, you know, getting it sold and everything. But, but we all play our part, you know, a critical part. So, I guess, you know, when it comes to making a decision on what to do, it's like, it's all roots and sort of, passion and curiosity. And interest, like are you really actually into it? And then do

you feel like you have a good team around you? Our premium trail mix, they're a partner of ours. I know you're one of their endorsers. What led you wanting to work with them? I love their trail mix. And then, frankly, I didn't know the difference between premium trail mix, the really healthy stuff and the stuff filled with candy until I started eating their trail mix. Yeah.

Well, I remember hearing just how the nuts are even prepared. Like, I remember the fruits and the nuts just, there's different, just like with anything, like there's a doctor that went to, you know, where the doctors go to. Out of school. Arbor. No, that's law. Princeton, Yale. Yeah. That whatever. Right. Those doctors. And then there's doctors that come out of somewhere that you've never heard of.

And yet, all doctors, right? And so it's like, real mix is it's like, there's ones that come out of, you know, the top echelon sort of product. And then there's one that are not as good. And or maybe you wouldn't know about them. They're smaller. And so actually, usually the problem is as they're bigger sometimes. But I feel like when I heard about just how the

high quality process that was used for. For the trail mix is I was like, wow, I had no idea. And since health is so important to me, I was like, this is a really great company and total alignment with my. For values and and then just use like truly eating them and using it and grabbing the little to go bags when I'm traveling and. Shoot at

Thanksgiving or Christmas. I made like, you know, almond bark bars like white chocolate almond bark bars with one of the one of the trail mixes. So. I just really, I really, I'm fortunate enough in my career where I don't have to align with people that aren't in alignment with me and my values. So. Power up is a really. Easy decision. Are you a cook? Do you

like to cook and yeah. I love it. Do you have a good setup for your. Your kitchen and everything? Oh yeah. What you got to. What's the go to Danica Patrick? If you have company coming over family friends, whoever. And you're going to make your best thing. What is it going to be? Um, I don't know. I mean, I guess, you know, to be honest, I

do make a pretty good state. I know that sounds really silly. It's I don't usually go out to eat for stuff like that because I can make it. So well, but I mean, probably likes just something simple. I really, I also follow pretty much. Cali. So I, I mean, that limits a lot of things. But I mean, I'll make like stakes and salmon and roasted vegetables

and some kind of potato of some sort. Maybe roast those two or shoot. You can like wedge up sweet potato, put it on the grill. I mean, that works to I mean, there's just I cook really simply. But I'm going to. It ends up being a lot about texture and food and and flavor combinations. I follow you on social media. We set earlier. Danica Patrick on

Instagram and Twitter. Some of your workouts that you do. My God, like you're your core. I ride the peloton and, and you know, I, you can things like that. But I'm watching some of your workouts in there. They're next level. So I'm impressed. Thank you. Well, I, you know, I, I do like I love fitness. I love working out. Like I, I truly like it. Like

I get excited to work out. And as soon as I write down a workout, it happens. It's like a, it's like an automatic manifestation technique in the gym. Like just write down the workout and go, but here's where most people get stuck. They don't know how to write a workout. And so, um, but I started doing CrossFit, which I just really love and enjoy. Um, back

in 2013 and, hmm, I don't do pure cart CrossFit, but I do a lot of CrossFit. And I, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I really know how to do it. Um, um, um, and I will explain it to you. Um, um, uh, I just, I just think it really gives you good tools to not only show how to build a workout, but also, um, and there's also so many resources for that to website, programs, Instagram

accounts, um, but also, uh, it shows you what real working out is. And it should hurt. And it's painful. And you get really, you don't just get out of breath. You, like, like, laying on the ground when you're done. So I like that. We can you please tell our audience and for all. And I think most people know this, but being in a race car like

you were, you have to be an incredible condition. And your core has to be so strong, because you're, you're in that car for hours. And you're going so fast. Like it really does take, you have to be in trouble shape. Hmm. Well, yeah. I mean, most people, you know, I mean, there's, there's definitely other sports that peak in other ways. But sure, keep your focus. I

think that one of the things that we, like overlook in general is just the, you know, mental capacity and the focus. And, and whenever the body starts to distract, um, through pain or fatigue or discomfort, you're pulling from the mental side of things. So, um, there's probably very, very few sports that actually keep you have to keep you, you have where you have to stay focused

for four hours, you know, right. I mean, even other caution, you know, you're saving fuel and doing all kinds of things are making pit stops. So really not a lot of time to relax. Um, so, uh, no timeouts. So, um, so I think that, uh, I, I just, it's really important to be hydrated, really important to have good focus. It's really important to have upper body

strength. NAC. I mean, yeah. Actually, this is funny. I was, I went skiing for the very first time about a month ago. And I was going down the hill and it was like a tough blue. And I was like my first, it was like, I had taken two lessons and then they three was like, I've had it. And, um, so I'm going down and I just

yard sale it. Like I just, I just fly off the handlebar some yard sale that I love that darn sail it down the mountain. And my head, like whipped back really hard. And I woke up the next day. And I was like, oh man, I have an ad neck pain like this. And I went to sea bring for the first test of the year in an

Indie car every year, because it seems like an Indie car. We'd always go to sea bring or somewhere like that. And I'm like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be a little bit more relaxed. I'm going to be like, I'm going to be in Florida and go, you know, getting a car for the first time the season. And the acceleration and deceleration and lateral

loads are lateral roads not so bad, because you have heads around, but like for like forward and backwards under breaking and acceleration. Like your neck would remember what I had to do again. And it'd be painful. So it took a skiing accident for me to remember just like what it took for next strength. But yeah. There's lots of little things with, um, with driving that, uh,

you know, you need to be really strong. And have a lot of endurance for before I let you go. Uh, I see by following you on, on social, you're doing some traveling and some adventures and trying things like skiing for the first time. What's next for you, whether it's business wise or just what lies ahead because, you know, it seems like you're in such a great

position right now. You've got this blank canvas and you can paint it however you want. Well, I mean, there's a lot of new stuff going on. I mean, the podcast isn't that old. So, you know, you know, this summer will be two years later. But I'm still doing that and enjoying it. And the, you know, the new wine that launched last year, Dan and Grozae as

well as Somniam. Um, then there's some other projects in the works. Um, I think that, you know, getting into, I'd really like to try to transition some of the, some of the techniques that I've learned through interviewing people into maybe doing special specials with aff, I think, you know, pairing an athlete me with athletes is a, is a good thing. I mean, it could go with

anything as I actually interview mostly not athletes on the show. But I think it's a good way to retap that audience that followed for so long and also then be able to use some new, new, new skills. So doing like special features and things like that around big events. I think it would be really cool. But then, you know, there's a show in the works that's

based on, you know, women and the things that they've accomplished and, and me. I think it's really interesting to be hosting that. So that's in the works right now. So yeah, there's always, there's always something going on. Danica Patrick, you can find her on Twitter, Instagram at Danica Patrick. She's joining us on behalf of Power Up Premium Trail Mix. Make sure to listen to her podcast

pretty intense on iTunes and podcast platforms everywhere. Danica, it's been a pleasure. Continue to success to you. And thanks for joining me on sports business radio. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for being so prepared. I appreciate it. Thank you. CpGambling.org. Now here's Brian's conversation with Molly Bloom from January 2022. My guest is Molly Bloom, author, podcaster, entrepreneur, and subject of the book and movie Molly's game.

Molly has one of the most remarkable stories of any guest I've interviewed on the show in 18 years. In fact, your story is so amazing. Aaron Sorkin actually turned it into a movie. You can follow her on social media at I am Molly Bloom. Molly, thanks so much for joining me on sports. I'm a lot stronger than. I'm feeling. Well, I've definitely felt better in my

life. I'm super excited. We've got three weeks to go and it feels like I've been pregnant for three years. But I'm so excited. I mean, it was a tough road to get here and I, you know, I had life's about to change. Yeah, but it's going to change for the better. I think so. I think so. But, you know, like, it's such a huge thing and

it's one of those things that you can't prepare for. And I'm like, such a research junkie. I think to be very prepared for things. And so I got all the gear, but, you know, I have no idea what I'm doing. Well, I'm going to tell you I'm a dad. So it's exactly what you just said. You can do all the prep in the world that you

want. And there's going to be things that happen. And you're like, I never saw this coming or I prepared and it still happened anyways. Yeah. So, you know, I would just say keep, keep flexible and your resilience is going to help you because, you know, there's going to be challenges along the way. And I want to start there because you grew up in such a high

achieving family. And I know, you know, for myself, I've taken some of what I learned from my parents. And some of it is like, hey, great. I'm going to use that in life and other. I'm not going to do it the same way. So as you're getting ready to enter motherhood, like what have you learned from this high achieving family of yours that you want to

bring with you to motherhood? Yeah, I thought a lot about that. You know, my parents parented from very distinct positions. My dad was being the pursuit of excellence all the time. You're not playing a victim role ever. Don't let fear sideline you. And my mom was be kind. Your name is your reputation matters. You know, have integrity. And they were both really passionate about that. And

I think both of those things really shaped and molded us. And so I definitely want to emulate that stuff. I don't know if I'll be as intense as my dad was necessarily. But, but I think the fundamental lessons that he imparted were awesome and made us better. And I think, you know, something he says all the time as he says, you have to love your kids

enough to not always be their best friend. You know, to prepare them for life is not always the most popular thing to do. And that really resonates. So in one of your Twitter posts to your dad on Father's Day, you thanked him for constructive suffering in order to achieve excellence. And, you know, again, I'm a dad. And I really took interest in what does that mean?

What is constructive suffering? I think it's the work that you have to do to become excellent at anything. It's the discipline. It's the moving outside of your comfort zone. You know, we were, we were really taught that, you know, when you're going out and it's below zero and you're on the mountain and your scheme, which is ridiculously painful. For anyone. And, you know, you're falling over

and over and over and over again. It's easy to let your mind tell you, this is stupid. Why would I do this? And just hurting myself. You know, I'm just, this is painful. But, you know, we were really, we were really instructed that that type of suffering is constructive and leads to new skills. You know, further intelligence, if you're talking about academics and and that getting

pounded into our head that being uncomfortable is part of life and it's part of achievement. I think it's really important because it's really easy to just buy into those messages, especially as a kid that this is hard. And I don't want to do this. But to ride through that, to stick with it and then see what's on the other side at a young age was, you

know, transformative. How much of your competitiveness comes from you had these two high achieving brothers as well. And, you know, clearly the movie and the book brings that out. Yeah. I think it was an nature and nurture. I think I came into the world who I was. I mean, I remember even before I were in the middle of the year, sports were a big deal. We'd

have those field days at school where you have day off and you just do fun races. And I'd be like, up the night before puking. And then as we got older and sports and academics and and basically anything that could have a competitive nature was interpreted like that. And my brothers, my brother Jordan is an absolute genius, Harvard professor, cardiothoracic surgeon and Massachusetts general. And when

he was an athletic phenom, you know, number one in the world and skiing at 18 years old. And so to say the bar was high, it's is really understanding it. So the competitive nature combined with my dad sort of like, you know, passion for competition. And then also these these two little brothers who are just phenoms was, you know, quite a formula. Well, the other part

of your story too. And this is what I think maybe most remarkable. Of all is when you were younger, you had this excruciating back surgery. And most people after that surgery, Molly, they're like, you know what, I'm taking it easy. You know, maybe I'll do some jogging or I'll ride a bike. You pick mogul skiing. Like you just said, it kicks your rear constantly. What were

you thinking? It was because it was such a fundamental part of our family. You know, that's what we did. We were mogul skiers. And I couldn't see any other way. Even though I had just had 12 vertebrae in my spine fused and two metal rods and, and you know, doctors and coaches and parents were like, maybe this isn't, you know, this isn't the right move for

you. I just, I couldn't see not being part of that. You know, you're 12. So you just don't know. Like if I had that surgery now, you wouldn't see me on the mogul. That's it. Yeah. All right. So fast forward to the Olympic trials and you have this horrific skiing accident that essentially ended your career. Walk our audience through people who may not have seen the

movie or read the book. What happens between the end of your skiing career and fast forward. You're running these card games, $250,000 buy in people are winning and losing $100 million. Your life went from I'm a competitive skier. I'm running the most expensive card games in the world. Yeah. I mean, I had a plan, right? And I just didn't think that there was anything that was

going to deter my plan. My plan was to make the US ski team, which I did, to go to the Olympics and then to go to law school. And, you know, I really, that was it. I thought I knew that the rest of my life was going to look like at 18. When skiing didn't work out, I decided I was going to take a year off

between the Olympics. I'm going to law school because I just wanted to like relax and be a kid and, you know, be warm. So I went to LA. And, you know, I didn't just go to LA. I went to LA, really. You know, heartbroken, pissed off at life. Kind of primed for rebellion. And so when one of my jobs became serving drinks at this high stakes

poker game with these people who I'd only seen on television and read about a newspaper. You know, it's not just the A-list celebrities. It's heads of some of the biggest investment banks, politicians, people who just, you know, had unicorns in the text space. And it was, God, it was an incredible access to information and capital and power. And then in this world that I had never

seen. And I thought, I don't just want to serve drinks in this room. Like, I want to, I want to own this room. Imagine the power, the access I could have if I owned these games. And that's kind of how it started a bit of a rebellion. And then, um, and then also just this fascination with the world. I'd like anything I'd ever seen. So I

would have to imagine that, you know, you talk about being an entrepreneur. That's like the fast track masterclass to be coming in on to Renewer. You're going from, oh, I'm serving drinks at these games to I'm running the games and eventually serving as the bank with people winning and losing $100 million dollars in a night. Right. Yeah. No. And I, you know, that was a, that

was also a great discovery that, okay, this is what I'm good at. I'm good at being an entrepreneur. I'm good at thinking on my feed and, and structuring things and not having a roadmap and figuring it out because I really didn't know what I was good at. Like I was headed to law school because at the dinner table, my dad said, you look to read and

argue, maybe you should go. That was, you know, that was the, the genesis of it. And I just didn't consider it. I'm like, okay. So that's what I should do. So, um, and there's something very exciting about the freedom. How intoxicating was it is you kept going along. And again, you've got all these powerful people coming to your card games in LA and eventually New York.

Walk us through that process of, I mean, in the movie, it looks like it got to a point where maybe it got a little bit out of control. Yes, it did. But yeah, I mean, it talks to Canning as the perfect word. I was 25 years old. I was making millions of dollars. And, you know, sort of had all this access and was learning about all

these different sectors from the people who ran them. Like that to me, but, you know, I've always been, I've always always been a learner and an information junkie. And just to be able to get those. And then, I was like, okay, I'm going to be able to get those insights and learn about things. Was also extremely compelling. And in the beginning, I think I had my

feet on the ground, you know, I was like, I'm going to make a bunch of money. I'm going to create this network. And then I'm going to leverage this into something else, you know, cut to like eight years later. I'm still in it. And I, I've completely, like lost that sort of clarity as to who I was and what I was doing. Because it was no

longer about, you know, let me be a scrappy entrepreneur and, and, and get this education and then do something smarter. It was like, I want more money. I want more games. I want more power. I don't ever want to be part of a normal life. It's fine, living at night. It's fine staying up for three days at a time. You know, I had completely become someone

different. And there was just, I could have said it because I knew it sounded like the right thing to say that, you know, I'm next year. I'm leaving next year. I'm leaving. But if I'm being honest, I was never going to be able to do it. I would have been up all night just being worried about being the bank. But, you know, you, you said, you

know, you were taking pills, you were drinking. You were trying to avoid the Italian mob who in the movie, if it's true, and I have no reason to believe it's not, they eventually caught up with you and physically assaulted you in your apartment. This is really crazy stuff, Molly. Yeah, no, I know it's so crazy. You know, being being 10 years out from it and even

telling the story. It's not a story is insane, but yeah, that absolutely happened. I came into my apartment. He put a gun in my mouth. He took everything out of my safe. And before he left, he said, you know, we'll be in touch. And if you tell anyone about this, we know where your family lives in Colorado. I mean, it was absolutely terrifying. And I was,

you know, I could call it the cops. It couldn't tell anyone. I was completely alone in it. It was so dark. It had gotten so dark. So how in that moment, do you? Go forward because again, that's enough to like end a lot of people and, and, you know, just put them into a downward spiral. How did you come out of that? Well, I was in

the downward spiral for sure. But I, and I lucked out of that one because what happened is a couple weeks later. I guess there is the biggest. Mob related take down in New York City history that they arrested 125 people. And I never heard from those guys again. And I just kept running games. So at what point do you say, all right, I can't run games

anymore? Well, it took, it took a much bigger force than I took it, but the United States government. So my game got rated in 2011. The fed seized all my assets and what's called asset for a picture. And in, in that type of forfeiture, they don't have to prove that you're guilty. They just take it and if you want to go sue them or fight that

to get it back. But by this point, I was making my money illegally. So I really didn't have a like to stand on. You know, for, for seven years, I did it legally and then turn the corner. And then two years later, unbeknownst to me, I thought, you know, because my attorneys had spoken to the, the government and they said, look, we're not coming after her

right now. You know, we'll let you know if something changes. And two years later, after you know, living with my mom and my grandmother in the mountains of Colorado, up at 9,000 feet. Where there's really no way to get into trouble, even if you wanted to. I got arrested in the middle of the night by 17 FBI agents, holding machine guns and hyping flights. And they

put this piece of paper in front of me that said the United States of America, a small, like, boom, that was just a moment. Oh my God. Yeah. So okay, give me your feelings at that moment. You said it to moment. Like, are you terrified? Are you upset and angry? Like, what's your feeling in that moment? Okay, well, my feeling in that moment. So I had

this dog, this beagle that was my soulmate and she lived to be 21. And she lived for food. And I was like, I need to figure out how loose he's going to get fed because she has this special food that needs to be heated up and shout out to the Los Angeles FBI, because it's really nice lady prepared for me. Oh my God. So that was

like my priority number one. And then, and then they took me to jail and they put me in this cell and I'm shackled in handcuffs. And I'm like, how long am I going to be here and why am I here? You know, because if you're, if you're out of the game for two years and you don't hear anything. Right. It's like all of a sudden you

have wandered into the Twilight Zone. And I, and then I was more scared than I've ever been in my whole life. And also more confused. You know, I was running a game of Texas Hold on. I always thought at some point cops would come into the room. You know, maybe someone would reach out to my attorney. 17 FBI agents. Yeah. Machine guns, middle of the night

stuff you see like a big drug bus and, and, you know, like terrorist organizations like it was crazy. So you found a good lawyer who took on your case and is played by I address Elba in the movie. Yeah. And, you know, it really seems like this person helped save you and navigate you through all of this. No question. I went to him. I didn't have

any money for a retainer. He worked at one of the most prestigious criminal defense firms in New York City. And he was a former federal prosecutor with an amazing reputation with the government, which was critical for me, you know, because to have. I think it was really important to not not that I could have afforded these people to not get one of these hot shot lawyers.

It's constantly getting people off. But to get someone who has integrity and who's trusted, you know, and then Jim Walden was that person and he took on my case and just navigated it beautifully and championed me, you know, and I've like I've never felt like such a. I've never felt so ashamed, so humiliated, like such a piece of crap in my life and to have somebody

with the sort of like the integrity and dignity of Jim Walden fighting for you. It wasn't, it was incredible. And, and was for some reason. So at the end, they basically, you know, you pled guilty and, you know, Jim and others were, you know, why are you doing this? Why are you protecting these people and their names and their reputations and their stories who played in

these high stakes games. And I give you a lot of credit for that. Because there's a lot of people that were to throw them under the bus to save their own rear end. And in the end, the judge says, look, she doesn't, I mean, I love the line in the movie. There's people, a stone that's thrown from here in Wall Street that are doing much worse

than this. You know, why are we gonna take it out on, on this woman here? And I think that was exactly the right thing to do. But I mean, when that decision comes down, you probably just, it was the, where the biggest sense of relief ever. Oh, my God, I lost my, I lost my feet, you know, yeah. I mean, I really thought I was going

to prison because the prosecutors really wanted me to become a confidential informer. And they're willing to give money back and keep me safe. They're willing to give me out of jail and all these things. And, and I turned it down and they weren't happy about that. And so generally what happens is sentencing is based on the prosecutors recommend, you know, recommendation. And I really thought that

I was going to jail prison. Everyone did everyone in my family. I think you didn't gym. Thought that there was a good chance. And so, you know, that whole year I spent trying to mentally prepare okay. I'm gonna learn a new language. I'm gonna get my business to whatever I want. You know, you're trying to figure out how you can survive losing your freedom. And so

I'm just standing there hoping that it's not a big number. And, and when, and when Judge Furman, you know, kind of made his decision, I was, I, you know, I lost my feet. Like I just couldn't believe it. And yeah, it was such a huge relief. I mean, listen, losing your money sucks. I logged into my bank account at red negative nine million nine hundred ninety

nine thousand nine dollars. That was a terrible thing. It is nothing compared to the idea of losing your freedom. Nothing. Okay. So I've got to ask and like I've had Michael Vic on this show. And you know, Michael Vic was making a hundred and twenty million dollars was the face of the NFL. And I asked him like, you're laying in your bed in prison night one.

What's going through your head. So when you look at your bank account. Yeah, when you look at your bank account and it says negative nine point nine million dollars. Oh my god, Molly. Yeah. How do you, I mean, I would be paralyzed with fear. But like you said, at least you're not losing your freedom and going to prison. No, it was a devastating moment. Don't get

me wrong. But, you know, and then, you know, what helped me, I think deal with it is I got sober. I went to rehab and I got sober. And I got my life back to some degree. You know, I was, and then, you know, I, what I would always say to myself is like, you did it once. You could do it again. You could make money

again. You know, but to have that sort of like feeling of being back in control of yourself and not, not dependent on substances and not dependent on the, the, the fickle whims of whether a gambler is going to pay you and all that chaos. You know, in so many ways I got that, and I was living in Colorado again. So, you know, that made it easier.

And, and then just also having that growth mindset, having that mindset of like, okay, it's money. We can make it again. You know, yeah. Well, again, I give you so much credit for your resilience, because a lot of people wouldn't have had that attitude. So I want to ask you about the movie, because I've heard different things about it. I heard it was not an easy

thing to get made, because the government wasn't thrilled that this movie was going to get made. But eventually Aaron Sorken says, all right, I'll make it. They cast Jessica, castane to play your role, Kevin Costner, Idris Elba. So, it's a fantastic movie. But how do you go from, I write the book to trying to get the movie made? When I, you know, after I got sentenced

and I realized I wasn't going to jail, there was a moment of master of relief. And then I was like, but now the work starts because 35 years old, I'm millions of dollars in debt. I'm a social pariah. You know, this had been all over the tabloids painting these pictures of me that were less than flattering. I'm a convicted felon. You know, like now the world

is going to be a real bad thing. The work starts. How do you come back from that? And I went home and kind of, you know, got into an entrepreneurial mindset and thought like, okay, it's the story. You know, the story is the monetizable asset. The story can has the potential to do reputational repair. That's the potential to garner a large sum of money that can

at least start to address this financial burden. And so I wrote the book. And then I took it to Hollywood. And I was getting a ton of meetings. And I was getting an amazing response in the room. And then everyone would just pass. And finally, I asked someone straight up, what, why, why does this happen? Why do you look so engaged and then pass a couple

of weeks later? And he said, you know, there are a lot of really powerful people in DC in Los Angeles and New York City that don't want this movie to get made. And they are running interference on it. And, you know, that was, pretty daunting. But there's something incredible about survival mode. You're just absolutely fearless. And so it's just like, all right, back to the drawing

board. Look, what's, what's the more more mercenary plan? Like, how do I, how do I outwit this? Right? From all my meetings, I realized that every, in every meeting, they're like, well, this is, this is all about finding the right writer. You know, this is all about finding like the, the, the prolific writer. And so I made the short list of writers and directors who really,

I didn't think have to play politics in Hollywood. And if you could get them creatively engaged, you're a really good chance of cutting through all that muck. And Aaron Sorkin was on the top of that list for me. He's my favorite writer, you know, starting with a few good men and social network and the West Wing. And, you know, if you look at Aaron Sorkin's track

record and you're making a bet, which anytime you're doing business, you are. And so I started trying to get a meeting with him and it was not easy. And I got the meeting and I remember walking into that meeting, like my legs are shaking, but I have my the best game face I can luster and I tell my story. And I'm trying to like, fame, confidence

and not act like my life is as freaking destroyed. Oh my God. Like I'm not living with my mom at 30. And when I was done, I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. And he said something so hilarious. He looked at me like just dead pan and he was like, well, I'll tell you one thing, kid. I've never met someone so

down in their luck and so full of themselves. Oh my God. That's quite a line. Well, he's he's got a lot of him, you know, he's just he's a he's a word Smith. But, but yeah, you know, and that's like the quintessential story of like, you got to fake it till you make it, you know, you got to just stay in the game and believe in

yourself. And there's maybe nothing to believe in, you know, I thought Jessica Chastain did a great job playing you. How much time did you spend with her to prepare her for that role? You know, not not that much. A couple days, but I think what. And she's brilliant and so talented. But I think it was her brilliance and interpretation of the character, but also I spent

a lot of time with Aaron. A lot of time with Aaron on that working on that. You know, working on the script and then he was also the director. So he had gotten super familiar with the sort of the way that I speak the cadence. And so I think between the two of them, I mean, it was so weird sitting in that theater. I was like,

whoa, that's kind of neat. It's really strange. Yeah. I mean, just listening to you talk right now. Yeah. You you, you and Jessica sound alike as far as how she spoke in the movie playing you. It's so weird. Yeah, it is. That's remarkable. Okay. So I've got to ask you, there's a scene in the movie and it's Jessica Chastain and Kevin Costner, who plays your dad

sitting in Central Park. And he says, look, you know, he's a psychologist. I'm going to drill this down to a three minute session. And he drills it down and basically describes you and and how you got to be feeling the way that you are. And I thought it was a brilliant scene. Did that really take place in real life? It took place in California, not Central

Park. Okay. It took place on the beach. So it was still somewhat cinematic. And some of my dad's answers were different. And the one that I think is most noteworthy is, you know, I'd lived under this assumption. That was very painful. That my dad liked my brothers better than he liked me. And I think part of my motivation to go out and to make waves was

to, you know, sort of, to stay-shate that. That was something that was just very painful to me. And I lived with it every day and I wanted to change it. When he said to you, like, I love you and, and, you know, reassured you of his love for you, that had to have really been a big moment for you. Well, it was a big moment for

me. And then he described and then he told me why. He was like, well, first of all, he's like, many times I liked your brothers better than I liked you because you were a pain in the butt, which I was. He said, but I love you so much and the same. And I was harder on you than I was on them. Because I think the world

is a tough place. And I think it's tougher for him. And so it all made, it started to all make sense, you know, why he was the way he was. And I saw my dad for the 30 year old man who's trying to figure out how to raise a daughter and trying to figure out how to make her tough, you know, yeah. All right. We've got

a few minutes left. I could talk to you for a little really hours, but I know you probably have other things to do. You've got some new projects coming up. Torched is a new podcast torched and it debuts this week on podcast platforms everywhere. Tell us about this project because it looks really unique. I don't think I've seen anything like this. Yeah, it's cool. It's premieres

January 18th. And my partners are serious. XM Stitcher and Film Nation and then Gilded Audio's the producer and they're great. And I were telling stories about Olympic scandals and controversies, but we're really going in deep. You know, we're like talking to the people that were involved. We're talking to experts. I am endlessly fascinated with this sort of intersection of human ambition, high stakes, and the human

condition and and seeking to understand what motivates people to make bad decisions or to walk into danger or whatever. And so it's very entertaining. It's got it's got politics. It's got world affairs. You know, it has all these dynamics because it's the Olympics, but it's also got a lot of humanity. Because we get to talk to people who have had 10, 20 years of time to

process it and kind of understand why can you give us any kind of a teaser is to like some of the topics that you might cover. Yeah, no, and these these stories are incredible. And we. We're I got to sit down with Greg Luganis and you know, Greg, Joe, but the Greg's the greatest the diver to ever live. And he went to the Olympics and HIV

positive. And at that time, that was. You know, that culturally we treated those people like lepers. And, but he wanted to, you know, you wanted to realize his last Olympics. And so any. He was a good friend of his. And so he's hiding the fact that he's gay and he's hiding the fact that it's HIV. And then he just can't take it anymore. And so I

think it was like 10 years later. I can't remember the timeframe. But he comes out and he gets really candid with us and talks talks us through that. And then there's, you know, Boris on the edge of the country. The Flavian shift acrossGRO for that is finds from the world's upside. And not only is it but he is open to folks who have they focused on,

like, a lot like a lot of drugs. And in the philosophy talk, I talk about representing some of the drugs and identified some of them and I think they have been responsible of the charity that they ie, boom, Sl in the country. So a lot of the media's are we really looking to be theorizing the break from life that's going on in life after the end

of the end of to this day refuse to take that silver medal. It's in their will that no one can take it. So, you know, we're just telling these crazy stories and we're getting to speak to these people who've had a whole, you know, who's sort of like are very open. And that's that's what we're looking for is we're looking for people who are not going

to gloss over it, but who are going to go deep with us. Which really is people like you, right? I mean, you're kind of interviewing people who have the same kind of mentality and attitude that you have, right? Yeah, I mean, I think life is more interesting that way. Right. Alright, so you have another book coming out to you. I hear it called Powerful, right? Yeah.

And, you know, what what I found. The world's going to, the world brings everyone to their needs. It's constantly changing. It's full of tragedy. It's hard to manage. It's also beautiful and exciting and adventurous. And I think what we need more than anything. To get through it and to thrive is this ability to have power. And I'm not talking about like power over nations. I'm talking

about this power over our instincts, over our emotions, over our thoughts, over our mindset, over our addictions, you know, the power to walk into a room and know who you are and the power to walk out of a room. When that what's time to do that. And there's a lot of discourse about power about how to like overpower people and things. But truly, you know, it's

about that inner power. And so it's everything I've learned from poker, athletics, and then especially being rock bottom, having nothing. No one coming to save you. No opportunities and and and figuring out how to find that true raw inner power. And it's really a practical book. About sort of the measures that I think people can take. And kind of a program they can have for themselves.

And it's a really important story for me to tell. I'll tell you what I cannot wait to read it. If there's anyone in this world qualified to write that look. It's you. When does it come out? I you know, I'm doing a a docu series along with it and a podcast. So there's a couple moving parts. And I'm about to have a little human. So I

don't know. I think like maybe 12 months, maybe a year, maybe a year. Okay. Well, look, Molly, you are an amazing person. I like I said, I don't know that I've ever talked to anyone in 18 years of doing this show that has a story like yours. Your resilience is to be admired. I'm here on sports business radio. Like I said, we could talk for hours,

but you know, I'm sure you have other things to do. Well, I'm panting a little bit because my like lungs are in my throat. But I get under normal circumstances. We I could chat with you forever too. I just might not be able to please. So do you know boy girl yet? Are you waiting? Yeah. No, it's a little girl. Oh my gosh. Congratulations. So like

I said, I have a daughter. So yeah, it's your blast in. You know, I'm very, very happy for you. I've read your stories of, you know, I know this wasn't an easy path for you. So I'm so happy that. But you know, no surprise, right? Like you overcame and you figured out a way to make it happen. And here you are. I'm ready for things to

be a little bit easier. Well, I'll tell you what's not going to be easier. It's you're not going to be sleeping a whole lot. So that's what I hear. Yeah. You better you better try and get some sleep now because you won't be getting very much sleep after your daughter is born. It'll be like back to the poker days. Exactly. Well, Molly Bloom, author, podcaster, entrepreneur,

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