WHAT'S REALLY IN THE BOXES?! | Matt Taibbi & Michael Shellenberger On Trump Indictment

hi why exactly is in those documents hello there you 6.4 million Awakening wonders thanks for joining us on this Voyage to truth and freedom turn on the notification Bell right now and if you want to have a real laugh about the craziness of the last couple of years check out my special brandemic about the madness and lies of the pandemic there are actual lies you're gonna

love it it's completely self-funded and uncensored I'd love you to check it out I spoke to Matt taibi and Michael schellenberger the Twitter files journalist who broke the important stories that have shown us just how much the government deep State and social media cooperate and conspire in order to censor you and true information I spoke to them about Trump and Trump's boxes what exactly is in

those boxes why are we being surveilled and censored instead of focusing on the person why not focus on the content of the boxes what imperialist projects are being pursued and is the state simply trying to bring down Trump because he's a voice they don't like and I ain't no mega hat guy I'm a democracy guy I'm a freedom guy you're gonna love this conversation with Tybee

of topics then today though we're talking somewhat about uh Donald Trump's indictment impeachment whatever it is he's going for arraignment a variety of polysyllabic and perjurative terms why shouldn't uh Donald Trump have those documents what is the um the classification of documents the control of information by institutions that no longer have our trust seems to be a more important issue than this one Michael what do

you think about the the current case yeah I mean look I think that this case like a lot of others um raises some serious questions around uh the abuse of power uh by government officials um I don't know the specifics of it but I think that when we look at sort of the cases that we've been following whether it's the coveted Origins whether it's the hunter

Biden laptop russiagate many other issues we're seeing the institutions and we've seen now in Britain that they were that the the UK government was engaged in similar censorship activities as the U.S government we've been also talking about the FBI whistleblowers I mean we are seeing significant abuses of power uh disinformation censorship coming from our governments around the world it's just time to we need reform I

mean we need to clean house these government institutions are being run by people who act like they own them or that they have some special privilege but we need to reassert our Democratic rights over these very powerful institutions because I think the evidence is growing that that we've been lied to for many years um and that the people that have been lying to us have also

been trying to censor us you're both coming to the UK next week for the event that we've discussed that we'll be showing on Rumble in the days to come clarenberg was interrogated for five hours when he was traveling Matt you were friends with a rest subsequently or a congressional appearance are you not concerned that you'll be detained and what are your feelings about latex gloves and

have you been acquainted with them previously not recently although thank you for um you know planning that image in my mind um but uh well here's what I'll say I I maybe three weeks or a month ago I would of course not have been concerned about that at all I would have laughed at the mere possibility uh that this was even something to worry about but

uh I am concerned now I mean we're we're we have reason to be worried about it we had a ridiculous incident where um the IRS visited my house I was I was investigated after um you know one of them the Twitter files stories and uh you know the the kit clarenberg um is part of an organization that was on a list that we saw in the

Twitter files was delivered uh to Twitter from the Ukrainian security agencies through the FBI so it's hard not to you know wonder you know are we next I mean you can get on those lists for any number of reasons and that that's that's very concerning fear sometimes makes me seek out alliances a lot of the people watching this now on locals you can join us on

locals by pressing the red button feel that what's happening around Donald Trump who gave you a name check the other day of course um Matt is a little more than a Witch Hunt do you are you able to maintain your impartial perspective as journalists when it seems clear that when it comes to the censorship industrial complex it's primarily an issue that seems to be undergirded and

exacted by the Democrat Party that question for you first Michael yeah I mean I think this is part of the thing that we're worried about which is that we're seeing potentially double standards being used um along with this abuse of power so we're seeing you know here we are we now I think there's pretty good evidence uh or at least there is evidence that's been presented

of uh potential criminal bribery involving uh President Biden when he was vice president the FBI withheld that document and that information from Congress for many weeks Congress had to threaten contempt of of Congress against the FBI director and so now we're seeing the prosecution of a former president um I mean some of those charges are very serious so I don't want to suggest that there isn't

something serious there but although all of us that have lived in other countries you know Matt's not much time in Russia I've lived in Latin America and been in Asia and you see former heads of state going to prison and a kind of constant cycle of Retribution and I worry about that I worry that we'll be coming to Banana Republic and in both in the abuse

of power by by policy makers and politicians and unelected officials but also um in this kind of desire to to persecute and prosecute your political enemies it seems that there's no legitimacy to the authority once wielded by these institutions I don't imagine that any of us suppose that whatever the outcome of next year's election the size that loses will gracefully concede what's likely to ensure is

a series of allegations of corruption or foreign involvement or meddling is that not an indication that the institution of democracy itself needs to be radically ordered that there needs to be significant change to within the to the duopoly that currently endures well well what do you think about that Matt what do you both think about that I think that's definitely true um you know I I

first noticed that uh as a campaign Trail reporter uh probably two election Cycles ago I started to hear a lot of complaints from people frankly on both sides of the aisle uh who were saying they they were losing confidence in institutions like the FED um you know Congress absolutely then then it became the FBI then then it was you know just a criminal justice system in

general everybody was upset with the the intelligence agencies because of the Snowden Revelations the the surveillance uh Revelations now with the censorship stuff in addition to the general distrust of government institutions we have almost total distrust in uh you know the liberalizing institution of media nobody knows what to think anymore about anything because almost all the information that comes out now is politicized and not terribly

reliable and that is a terrible situation for a country to be in because you can't trust anything I mean you know even the results of elections uh forget about the 2020 general election I I I was there for the Iowa caucus uh in in 2020 and I still don't know who won that election you know I mean it's impossible to no no and that and and

that makes it very very difficult in a democracy for people to to know how to act if they're if they're not informed somehow this uncertainty appears to be beneficial to the centralized Authority and the doubling down of authoritarianism particularly with regard to the issue that is going to be United in us on June the 22nd uh it seems to legitimize censorship somehow this constant talk of

corruption misinformation fake news is legitimizing publicly funded media organizations like the BBC in their Endeavor to censor and adjudicate which information is via able take a figure like RFK who's just a radical Outsider one assumes in spite of the surname when he came on our show he said stuff about the pandemic it's funding and its aims and its execution that even for me a hardened old

conspiracy theorist of your to listen to do you ever think of going I mean it's difficult to imagine how much further you could go the pair of view I mean I saw you but I basically agree with Debbie Wasserman Schultz she's a good woman she saw through the pair of you she called it as she saw it she did democracy a great service that day but

are you willing to investigate even more uh seemingly outrageous claims uh like uh for example some of the RFK ones you must be familiar with them uh Michael because I'm doing this in turns but this is how I'm going to do it on the night see Fair one turn each you know yeah I mean look I was gonna say too I think that um look we

have a really great system of government in the United States but it does need to be periodically reformed and refreshed and we saw about 50 years ago the church committee hearings which basically demanded a significant reform by FBI and CIA um we also saw a flowering of Journalism in that period um we need we are not seeing that flowering of Journalism coming from the big newspapers

it's not coming from The Washington Post or New York Times in fact they've been perpetuating misinformation including around Hunter Biden's laptop the covet Origins issue the russiagate but I think that you see a bunch of new players uh Matt and I I mean the benefits of having been sort of attacked by Debbie Wasserman Schultz in early March as Matt and I were is that there's we've

we've had a number of whistleblowers come forward and they don't trust the big newspapers they would rather work with Matt and me who have proven that we will protect our whistleblowers and our sources and our Witnesses we're very careful so I do think we have the potential to enter into a new age of Journalism a new golden age but I don't think it'll be coming from

The Establishment I think it'll be coming from people at places like sub stack and at Twitter well let me know what you thought of that remember we're on Rumble every single day share these videos with your friends if you enjoyed this one have a look at either of these more important than any of that is that you please stay free