DEBATE RFK!!" Joe Rogan CHALLENGES Vaccine Expert Hotez

will involve taking opinions from a variety of sources and bringing about synthesis at least that's what I believe let me know who you believe in the comments and hit that notification Bell ding ding once more because we need you to know when we make this content the world is changing fast during the pandemic period they're plainly with censorship it's now been admitted that true information was

censored shut down taken off social media sites asked for a bunch of things to be censored that in retrospect ended up being debatable or true in order in fact to ensure that a prevailing mentality went unchallenged because of powerful media figures like Joe Rogan being able to bypass the attempts of the mainstream to censor them we now live in a different space Elon Musk owns Twitter

now he's got a different attitude towards centralized power and authoritarianism and what about the fact that BBC was put under pressure by the British government to change the editorial policy are you aware of that whether you love Elon Musk or loathe him you have to acknowledge that he is facilitating a different type of debate enter into this conversation RFK a politician with a powerful surname and

very strong views on certain medications The Establishment now cannot avoid conversation discourse and debate without censorship without smearing without shutting down conversations on the basis of it being misinformation or mal information but why has it become so contentious why has it become so combative let me know in the comments what exactly you feel about the ongoing debate around medications and restrictions and regulations that were implemented

during the pandemic period let's have a look at this Twitter spat this Twitter brawl this Twitter Rumble and see can we have grown-up adult conversations in good faith that are directed towards finding mutually beneficial solutions that take into account that science is often a subset of capitalism and Commercial incentives that the state has been negligent in certain areas but we have to be able to enter

into good faith conversations where all sides are listened to appropriately let's have a look at Dr Peter hotis now on MSNBC show with mehdi Hussein to see what claims he's made but of course this Ferrari to escalate to the point where it's become a global social media phenomena so the point is anti-vaccine disinformation as soon as I see the spectacles in the bow tie I think

this is not someone who can go toe-to-toe with Joe Rogan now I know Joe Rogan is facilitating a potential debate that Dr Peter hotis is it seems potentially avoiding what we want to be wary of on this channel is this conversation falling into tribalism and becoming overly energized because actually what we're trying to deal with is information you know we've had RFK on our show you

know I've been on Joe Rogan show a bunch of times we're still organizing our Elon Musk conversation and I'm friendly with Medi Hussein so many of the people involved in this I'm familiar with friendly with what we're keen to support is the possibility ability of a conversation about the efficacy of medication the mainstream media's appetite for censorship the possibility that the pharmaceutical industry needs to be

radically regulated in a new way and that the mainstream media needs to responsibly report on all sides of the conversation he Dr Peter Hotes he's just another human being he's not the living totem pole of the system's desire to vaccinate I'm sure he's got very particular perspectives I understand that maybe he's got an autistic kid has he I mean that you've got to be kind of

sympathetic towards him on that basis doesn't he advocate for vaccines being available without patent in territories where they aren't being overly commercialized and they're not unduly profitable we don't need to get into a situation where we victimize any individual although culturally I guess it's pretty obvious that I've more in common with RFK than Elon Musk when it comes to this particular issue but what's more important

than those kind of affiliations and that kind of natural Affinity is good faith conversations where we have to get to is the point where you sort of calmly patiently listen to people that you disagree with and then present your perspective on the situation what is assumed at the moment is we live in a system where both sides want to seize control and annihilate the other side

whether that's the Democrats and Republicans in American politics even though both sides are owned by the same corporate interests and even around this vaccine debate I think a lot of people feel they were shut down during the pandemic period like those of us that were like whoa are we getting it carried away here isn't this like an opportunity to profit and an opportunity to regulate there

was all sorts of conversations that weren't talked about what about natural immunity what about vitamin D shouldn't we be eating well and doing exercise and Joe Rogan was carrying a lot of those messages as a result of conversation with experts so I imagine you feel somewhat frustrated then something like RFK him being dismissed as a sort of a whack-a-doodle I guess he's going to be pretty

antagonistic so both sides have at different points engaged in the conversation in rhetorical ways that are not advantageous to a beneficial agreeable consensus being achieved we can't be flag waving and snarling and teeth bearing we're saying important is this this isn't about victory for a side this is about victory for Humanity and I offered to come and talk to Gonzo Rogan again I've been out a

couple of times and have that discussion with her but not to turn it into the Jerry Springer Show with having RFK Jr on it's sad because I said I'm so fed up with the debate me debate me you've already spoken and written about covid vaccines I think you've been on MSNBC and other channels hundreds of times since the start of the pandemic that somewhat glosses over

the plain observable fact that during the period between the end of 2019 to where we are now there have been a good many Revelations about the nature of the vaccines their efficacy and regulations that were taken during lockdown that have been disproven challenged debated among them most notably that the mainstream media and social media participated with the state and state agencies in censoring and controlling the

narrative if you want to take that in the most optimistic way in order that we all are protected and kept safe but you know if you're a person that doubts the motives of the state and corporations the whole thing becomes a little more complex wouldn't it be nice to see many Hussein say look let's be honest since the beginning of the pandemic it's become pretty clear

that many things that were said on this very Channel were not true and that people like Joe Rogan were vilified an RFK who's a valid voice who's done a lot of research into this subject and written a best-selling book or be included in the conversation and it's plain that people are trying to shut down those kind of contributions everyone just doubles down on their own side

the whole time you never hear these types of media Outlets go we shouldn't have said either mechtin is a horse Pace that discredited us we look foolish because of that we shouldn't have done that we shouldn't have made claims about the vaccine but were not proven and have subsequently been disproven we should have done that we should have acknowledged that it wasn't true we should be

open about looking at the negative impact of lockdown we shouldn't have had gone lemon say yes we should shame the unfair donated until you get a clear Mia culpa that's what tribalism and oppositionism leads to a kind of aggressive testosterone-fueled judgment when what might be better is a little yielding open-mindedness and observation of what the actual Target and what the actual intentions are and I would

say I don't know if you've agreed to debate or not my advice is not to and people might find that surprising because I wrote a book about debate but I just think there's a time and a place for a debate the time the place for debate is situations where we get to propagate one particular View and we don't have to acknowledge mistakes and errors that have

been made but I would say a conversation between someone like RFK who to use a British phrase noses onions someone like Peter Hotes who's clearly scientifically grounded would be valuable if it was done in the right spirit and my personal opinion Joe Rogan's exactly the person to curate such a debate because he's shown that he's for real the thing that he does is done when there's

no money in it he's kept doing it he's listening to voices from both sides he's remained consistent I think he's a reliable person he's not doubling down and advocating for a particular point of view that's my opinion but I've got my own biases obviously let me know in the comments if you agree we can't keep making this fantastic content without reliable sponsors look at this commercial

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look that's that's my analogy here like I don't think these debates between experts and cranks do anything other than Elevate the cranks creating the category of expert and crank is part of the problem people do not like above all else this I have learned elitism the idea that your opinion doesn't matter shut up because guess what the people that were saying that were wrong about so

many vital issues that they've discredited almost the concept of being an expert because an expert that is funded by certain Financial interests that operates to support and Lobby for certain Financial interests isn't really an expert at all it's just an object of the new Orthodoxy that promulgates a particular message science has to be an ongoing discourse that incorporates information from both sides this perhaps above all

else is a subject that does need to be debated because here's what I believe the pandemic was exploited and utilized in order to create opportunities to regulate and profit not saying that the pandemic wasn't a real thing it was exploited the same way that every crisis is exploited that's a piece of long-standing left-wing analysis crisis response solution but in science we don't typically do debates what

we do is we write scientific papers we present our findings in front of a critical audience of our peers to solicit their their input and suggestions but it's you're not one doesn't typically debate science what type of science are we talking about when Pfizer Lobby to have the information concealed and not revealed for 75 years what kind of science do you have when increasingly people think

that this virus emerged from a scientific laboratory in Wuhan that was funded by scientific interest in the United States of America science itself of course means the analysis of data through experimentation and verification it's not the meaning of the word science has been debated it's the authenticity of the type of science that's been deployed in the last few years to legitimize authoritarianism and profiteering let me

know in the comments if you agree maybe the one-off discussion of Evolution versus creationism and that sort of thing but that's not what we do in science even there what's being doubled down on is a kind of materialistic world view that has in it the exact elitism that people are getting sick of that's why debate and conversation is important only the studies that are funded are

getting done the way that the information is presented is often dubious sometimes trials are carried out numerous times and the FDA for example the regulatory body of the pharmaceutical Industries in the United States is funded to the tune of 75 at least by those pharmaceutical companies so to suggest that science is a catual way of denying corruption or potential opposition is exactly the same way that

the church 500 years ago would have said yeah but God says it's wrong it's just the use of an authoritarian symbol to shut down debate and that is literally the problem Dr Peter Hotes the dean of the national school of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine told msnbc's medic Hassan that it had been the target of an overwhelming harassment campaign this is the Tres Embrace

of RFK Jr Joe Rogan and Elon Musk ganged up to pressure him into a live debate over the safety and efficacy of covid-19 vaccines Dr hote said the attack from the anti-vaccine lobby included physical stalking and incessant threatening emails if you want to talk about an anti-vaccine Lobby do you also want to talk about a vaccine Lobby if you want to talk about bullying do you

want to talk about Don lemon's rhetoric around shaming or the Ivermectin horse-pace debacle on CNN it's okay to say stuff like that to make those kind of accusations there's no doubt that Joe Rogan is a powerful individual personally and now culturally and the same can be said of Elon Musk and RFK in various ways also but two delegitimize their request for a debate on the basis

of bullying and lobbying without acknowledging the bullying and lobbying was one of the key problems that defined the pandemic period is disingenuous my main point is imagine yourself on the other side of the argument think about the thing you believe like use pretty clear what side I'm on culturally and ideologically and just through affinity affiliation and personal history but what I'm trying to think is Dr

Peter Hotes is a human being I'm trying to think everyone is just like me trying to do their best in the world these like nitpicky contentious issues have to be approached open-heartedly how are we going to get somewhere and I don't believe that the mainstream media the pharmaceutical industry big Tech and the state particularly with its globalist Tendencies has behaved in a good faith way in

the last few years I think the intention has been opportunistic regulation and opportunistic profiteering and that has to be confronted and having a conversation about that is a perfectly good way to air those issues the stuff online is just total wackadoodle and let's face it when you have RFK Jr and Joe Rogan and Elon Musk all tag teaming those Tres Hombres at the same time who

told MSNBC that probably includes just about every follower on Twitter so it's pretty overwhelming but it was also pretty overwhelming when the FBI was censoring information that was true it was pretty overwhelming when Joe Rogan was subject to just an all-pervading media attack because he said I got better in three days it was literally an immersive experience information was censored discredited called conspiracy theories so it's

extraordinary actually to see these type of arguments Advanced at this time what they're advancing now is what they should have considered then are we being bullying are we just responding to lobbying are we shutting down conversation are we victimizing individuals shaming them even when we should be listening let me know in the comments The Saga began after Dr hota's shared a vice article that debunked the

orgy of unchecked vaccine misinformation by RFK Jr and Rogan during a three-hour interview last week so in a sense toktotes invited this it's not like it was an unsolicited attack he went this is bunk and Hokum and nonsense he is a rebuttal on Saturday Rogan challenged the world renowned vaccine expert to debate covid vaccines with RFK Jr Peter if you claim what RFK junior is saying

is misinformation I'm offering you a hundred thousand dollars to the charity of your choice if you're willing to debate him on my show with no time limit he to eat hot is replied he was prepared to come on Rogan's podcast to have a meaningful discussion some people say there was another tweet that was deleted before eventually saying he would join so so like even this piece

of text that we're using is biased look Mr musk then joined in on the pylon right so this is framing the information in a particular way he's afraid of public debate because he knows he's wrong I don't know man you can say that's joining a pylon have there been pylons during the pandemic period have there been people that have been condemned and criticized there has to

be principles and values they have to be otherwise none of this stuff's going to work either you believe it's wrong to have a pile on or you don't like pylons when you're being piled on but you like piling on others you've got to have values if you have no values you're in trouble in an interview on Sunday night Dr hotis said the claim that he was

a shield for big Pharma was exasperating I make low-cost patent-free vaccines for lower middle income countries that led to 100 million doses being administered in India and Indonesia no patents minimal strings attached so we actually found a way to bypass the Pharma companies and yet RFK Junior incessantly calls me a farmer shill if you believe that vaccines are part of the solution and of course A

lot of people do then ensuring that people will have access to them you'd say is a good thing and a righteous thing so again it's interesting to approach information Nation like this in an unbiased and open-hearted way and not to rely on simplistic tropes about good and bad because I think Life's a bit more complicated than that in January the World Health Organization released a video

in which hotel claimed anti-vaccine activism is more dangerous than terrorism nuclear proliferation and gun violence yeah the who did do that we covered that that's up on our Channel we have to recognize that anti-vaccine activism which I actually call anti-science aggression has now become a major killing Force globally said hotels well that's the kind of thing that does shut down debate in conversation and I would

strongly disagree with that anti-science aggression is worse than terrorism so that's an interesting set of ideas to conflate let me know in the comments if you think that's helpful to a necessary Global conversation where there are scars that need to be healed even in the most contentious issues I believe conversation can't hurt that's how we advance otherwise we're just going to ossify our opposition this position

no meanwhile YouTube's war against RFK Jr continues as the big Tech platform is now deleted a 90-minute podcast starring Kennedy in conversation with Canadian psychologist Dr John Peterson which encompassed topics from from climate change to covid-19 measures so what we have here is a social media Ferrari around a vital significant and defining issue of the last three years which encompasses big Pharma censorship state power who

has the right to control and sense that information you know the kind of stories we cover here on this platform and you know where we stand on globalism the power and influence of big Pharma that they're able to observe through donations imagine if big Pharma was independently regulated and they were unable to make donations to the political class and they were unable to sponsor media do

you imagine then you might get a less biased conversation on these subjects would they be interesting regulations to introduce then perhaps what you'd have is an environment where people could talk about science appropriately in the right way what does your experimentation reveal what doesn't it reveal where is there still room for conjecture where is there still room for individual freedom I would argue but unless you're

genuinely and legitimately building a society where it's acknowledged and understood by all that we're all participating to together in a global organism and we all love one another that would include radical changes economically to be able to say well look we've all got to undertake these measures because as you know our society is based on fairness and unity you can see that in our political systems

you can see it in our financial systems you can see in the way that conflicts are resolved you can see that in the way that democracy and elections are conducted unless you've got that kind of society you have to recognize that this is a quite tribalized Society where people are entitled to have different views where communities should have decentralized Democratic localized institutions by which they run

themselves and in such an environment debate and conversation should be encouraged the only people that benefit from closing down debate in conversation are those that seek to control the narrative and usually they're not seeking to control the narrative in order to protect you but in order to control you protection and control are starting to intersect I think that's one of the main things we learned during

the pandemic people that are safe saying they're going to protect you want to control you that doesn't mean that science isn't legitimate that doesn't mean that great work isn't been done that doesn't mean doesn't mean we've forgotten that we've forgotten that in order to have a debate you have to approach people with an open hand and an open heart and good faith and be willing to

listen to views that you don't like you have to be willing to afford other people their freedom but that's just why I think why don't you let me know what you think in the comments let me know what side of this conversation you're on let me know where you stand let me know if you're willing to approach people in good faith I'm without judgment if you

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