Texas: Tough times with tire durability; William Byron vs. Denny Hamlin and a missed call for NASCAR; Tyler Reddicks inspiring ties that bind

Greetings. Welcome to the Asquart MEC podcast. He rose Nate Ryan here with Kyle Petty and we are here on the Monday after a Texas Motor Speedway race won by Tyler Reddick. Once again, unfortunately, the winner was not the story for the second consecutive week in the playoffs. So we're going to get to Tyler Reddick eventually Kyle. But first, I want to start with the race and

this is going to be one people were talking about for a long time. Yes. And I want to go and start with something you said when we came back from a break on USA on lap 257 with 78 laps to go. You came back with Brad Dirty from a break and you said, I think it's hardly crutchies. It's hardly drivers. They get paid to run as

hard as they can. That's right. And it's hard on NASCAR at this point. What kind of call do I make? Where are the tires that? When does safety take the priority day? Absolutely. Do we have to run the whole race? We're past halfway. Parker. So I didn't realize it then. But you were serious. Yes. At this point, we had had an hour long red flag for

lightning. We had had this situation with tires being the crop up. And you were basically saying, you felt as if the right call for an ask car at that point was maybe just stopping the race. Stop. I still feel that. I feel that way today. Yeah. And I say that. And I say that. And let me let me put it in the context is so we

go back to Daytona and we have a pop up shower that just surprises everybody. Although you could see it coming from 70 miles away. And we wreck a bunch of cars. So NASCAR airs on the side of safety. And I applaud them for it. There was rain in the area. There were a few sprinkles on the racetrack. So we put them under caution. We keep them

under caution. And then there's lightning in the area plus rain. And you can see the rain. And we stop now we stop because of lightning, which is a safety issue. And we stop because of rain, which is a safety issue. We start the race and every 35 laps are so we pop a tire and put a guy on the wall. And a car that we've already

heard from so many drivers that they feel like the impacts are harder than they've ever experienced in their whole career. We've got a driver that's setting out in Kurt Busch. We got a driver who left to the infield care center on a stretcher and Cody wear. So we've already have there's some there's some flags here saying hey, we might look at this. So we're just going

to send our guys out there and say let's let them go. It's roulette 35 laps. Let's see what number. Well, there's a number four. Well, there's a number 19. You know, I mean, whoa, here's the number 47. And that's the way it seems. That's safety. You know, it's that stupid saying we say it all the time. Safety never takes a holiday. Why did we have to

continue? What was the point of continuing? You know, we stop races past half way because of torrential rain and because of things. We stop races because of lightning in the area. And if lightning stays in the area, we're not going to start it again. You know, and everybody instantly says do we have lights? Do we have lights? Yeah, we have lights. I'm good with lights. I'm

good with running at two or three in the morning. I'm not good with popping a tire every 35 laps. I'm not good with this car going into the wall. So, you know, I stand behind it. I was dead serious about it. And I'm dead serious about it today. If you're going to talk to talk, then walk the wall. And, you know, I think sometimes they skip.

And that's car will skip instead of walk in the wall. They just, well, we're going to skip right by that one. And they skipped right by one yesterday. Yeah. And, you know, and we were out of tires. And we were out of tires, which, you know, godly man, how can you run a sport where it's 20 some odd million dollars a year to run a car

and a charter is up to 20 or 25 if we believe what's out there right now. But, you know what, we're going to help you guys save money. We're only going to limit your tires. You know, we're going to limit how many tires you can have tires. I think are like less than 2000. We're going to limit that. We got you. We got your back on

that one. Which is just astonite. Honestly, that, for me, that that's just done a quake. And I've said that forever, saving money and racing that shouldn't go in the same same sentence. You know what I mean? It's, it's an oxymoron. Kind of like what you're saying. That safety also should be paramount. Paramount always should be paramount. You should make every call. Every call should be made

from a safety standpoint. And I don't think that we should have continued. I just don't think that because at this point, I'm looking back at the box score. And this was right after the Kevin Harvick yellow. Yes. He had become the second leader, second driver to crash while leading had happened to chase a load earlier. It would happen to Martin Trieks Jr. After it happened to

Kevin Harvick. Chris Busher had just spun. Yep. You know, as we talked about, we had the one hour red flag, the weather for the lightning delays. And it just seemed like there were a lot of factors. Even though it was a playoff race. A lot of factors. Yeah. A lot of factors. And listen, and I've heard drivers, Danny Hamlin, be in the most vocal, slam good

year. And that's undeserved. You shouldn't slam good year. I think they're part of this issue. So let's put their 33 and a third percent in. Now let's put NASCAR's 33 and a third percent in because we don't practice anymore. We don't do a lot of this stuff. So maybe these issues would have shown up. I don't believe they would have. I don't. I honestly do not

believe. They could have practiced for two days in 95 degrees heat. And I don't believe this issue would have shown up. I think the cooler temperatures, these guys running lap times that were within four tenths, three tenths of qualifying speeds. Once they came back, you know, you're just hammering it, man. It's just sticking with this tire and it's your hammering it. And like I said earlier,

you know, if the coffee machine says don't touch hot and you touch it, that's not the coffee machine's problem. If Good Year says we recommend 40 pounds and you want to run 20, that's not Good Year's problem. You got to take some of that liability too because you've taken a product that was designed for one thing and you're trying to make it do something else. And

you think you can make it better. And it does make it better. I'm not saying it doesn't make it better. But if it's, if it's makes it better for a short period of time and then you have catastrophic failure, then that's a gamble you choose to take. Good year didn't choose to take that. So don't blame Good Year. You know, you can't blame Good Year for

that. You got to go back to your crew chief. You got to go back to where you're at. So I think everybody's got a little piece of the blame on what went on down there. And for a change, I don't believe the track has anything, anything in this. I mean, they just run it. You know, I mean, they put their stuff down, they put the resin

down, everybody run through it all day Saturday, everybody did their thing, nobody complained. And even and I heard a couple of guys say, well, you know, the resin, the resin, when it cooled off, you know, that the speeds picked up, they quit running in a resin. They went to the bottom of the race track, where it wasn't there. It's like the resin needs temperature. It needs

something to make it work. So they went to a different place. So that's got nothing to do with it. I think the tracks, maybe the only one that that doesn't have any blame here. Yeah, I mean, it seemed like what you heard most guys talking about was because of the hour long delay for the weather, the track cooled down a lot. The speeds picked up. And

that was what created the loads on the tire that maybe teams weren't anticipating because they thought it was running in really hot temperatures. Exactly. Loads wouldn't be as high. The speeds might be lower. So I want to move on to the tire discussion eventually. But before we leave the idea of shortening the race, because I think it is worth discussing. Yeah. And you were talking about

doing it with 78 to go, which would be roughly, a little bit more than a hundred miles to go in a 500 mile race. It's a playoff race. Playing doubles advocate people might say, well, can you have the integrity be compromised if you shorten a race? I feel as if even though it's a 500 mile race and you're coming up a little bit short to your

point, I mean, at that stage of the race, at that juncture, I feel like we'd sort of like played it out enough to reach a good place. So here's the thing. And once again, we lose sight. I think and I'd completely understand what you're asking. Yeah. Okay. And the direction you're going in, I understand that. But I'm going to throw the safety chip into the pile.

And that Trump said, which Trump said, Trump said, Trump said everything. I don't care what fans think. I don't care about your integrity. I don't care about anything. What that, what I did was I just protected 33 drivers that were out there. That's what I just did. Okay. I just had their best interest in heart, their life, their livelihood. I just said, okay, we're stopping because

I'm not, I'm not going to put a driver in danger. I'm not going to put a pit crewman in danger ever. They've said that. We're not putting anybody in danger. I'm ending it right here. So I don't care. I honestly don't care. And I will say this whole heartily, what a fan thinks, what the media thinks, what anybody thinks when it comes to safety, safety should

always be the top priority. So, you know, I think when you, when you looked at it, if you were to stop that at that one point, you know, when it looked like that's the direction we were going in, you know, you'd have had a couple of guys that would have come out and still had their cars and would have had decent finishes. But it's not, it

wouldn't have shaken up. I don't believe it would have changed a lot of where we were at. You know, these guys that already had their issues, meaning, you know, Chase and some of those guys. And these guys were all running in the top 10 or 15. And that's kind of where they all finished up in the top 10 or 15. Yeah. And at that point, oddly

enough, I mean, when Harvey Crouch, your ex-junior was in the lead. So you still would have had like a non-playoff non-playoff drive. Again, not that that should factor. Yeah, but at all. Yeah, it did really change that landscape. I mean, you're right. Like, the safety chip is paramount. And I just want to re-emphasize this that it's not just about the tires in this situation. This is

a little bit of a referendum on where the car is. That's right. It is. The car is in a place where you don't want to put these guys in this situation where they're running in the wall at high speed. Yeah. Yeah. You do not want these guys. You want these cars to stay off the wall at all cost because we've seen curts. We saw Cody Wares

yesterday. A week later, he was still so beat up. He didn't want to chance it and get in another car. So this is not what we've heard from drivers last year, year before, year before that. You know, they'd race on Saturday and get in a wreck. They'd race on Sunday. They'd race on Sunday getting in a wreck and be back on Friday and a truck and

an Xfinity car and whatever. But it's a little, we're hearing a different narrative coming out of the driver camp about this car. And NASCAR has said, yeah, there may be some issues. We're working on them. We're working. And I applaud NASCAR for continuing to look at it and continue to work at it. And the driver counsel with Jeff Burton and those guys, they are moving the

ball. It's very small movements right now. But it's movement. And this was an opportunity I felt like for NASCAR for people to step up and say, hey, they do believe this. They, you know, we do believe there's something here. We're going to stop this and we missed an opportunity. Yeah. I mean, you're right. The narrative is different. Harvick was tweeting about today that he was still

feeling sore. He was doing like extra treatment on his body today. We heard Alex Bowman say that after yesterday's crash that it looked innocuous, but it's like the hardest crash he'd ever been in. This is a guy who once crashed a sprint car and was in intensive care for weeks. Yeah. Yeah. I think NASCAR and definitely needs to be mindful of what drivers are saying. The

tires Rick Mast tweeted that the Texas race reminded him of the tire war days. That was nearly 30 years ago. That was a good year versus Hoosier. As Rick Mast said, those were not a lot of fun. And you were in a hundred percent agreement as you're quote, tweeted Rick Mast about that. Why was this race reminiscent of the tire war days? Because you just waited

for somebody to blow a tire. You just waited for somebody to bounce off the wall and be hauled off on a stretcher. You were just waiting. You know what I mean? It was just a game of, I know it sounds crazy. And people think that race car drivers have that thrill seeker put it all on the line. That's do a boys man. You know that swashbuckling

thing, whatever you want to call it. But they don't. It's a calculated risk. You know, you think about it. You know who works on your cars. You know a lot of things. What we didn't know during that time was how hard you could run this tire. How far you could run this tire. What this tire was going to do. So it was truly, there were races

that were truly that you had to strap in that car and put on your helmet and say, well, let's go for a round of roulette right here. And then something would happen and they would reset and we'd say, okay, who's next? And that's a bad place to be. That is a bad place. Ward Burton hit harder more times than anybody I've ever seen. I mean he

was just, he would run that thing man. And Rick, I mean a lot of a lot of us did. You know, we were a good year guy. I never came off the good years. One race I ran Hoosiers because they wouldn't let the good years run at Pocono. I think it was. That's the only race I ever ran the others. But it was not. There's areas

we need competition in this sport and there's areas we don't. Fuel is one of the ones you don't. That never needs to be a question that you've got better fuel than I've got or vice versa. Entires are the same thing. That needs to be, it's the same asphalt for everybody. It needs to be the same tire for everybody so that that's taken out of that equation.

And you know, whether if we're going to run good years, we're going to run good years. If we're going to run Hoosiers, fine, if we're going to run Continental or Firestone or whatever it may be, I'm good with any of them, but just pick one. It was not a good time in this sport. It was not a good look for the sport and it was not

a good time in this sport. Yeah, I did see some comments. Somebody who I respect a lot and who's opinion I value, but a little bit of the younger set, younger than you and I certainly tweeted last night, you know, maybe tire competition is worth exploring again because like you said, I mean, obviously last night, good year takes a lot of heat. They're taking a lot

of heat from drivers and, you know, I'm not going to completely absolve them entirely, but tire competitions, especially in stock car racing, do you have this checkered history series injuries, fatalities? Yes. I mean, that's generally what happens when you push the envelope with tires. In terms of trying to make something that's a faster product that's not as durable. It is, okay, it is the team's job

to push the envelope with the equipment they're given. It's not the manufacturer's job to have a finger on the scales on that and to say, well, this week, we're going to Daytona. Daytona is a big race man. So we at X tire company, we're going to do this. We're not going to tell the teams, but we're going to do this. And it's a better tire for

X number of laps, but then it just, it's catastrophic failure. So you can't have that. And that's what we had with the last tire war here when we had Hoosier and we had Good Year going at it. It was not, again, it's, it is amazing to me that no, no one got hurt worse than what they did get hurt. If we'd had a concussion protocols during

that period of time, honestly, there'd been a lot of guys that missed a lot of races. And that's how simple it is. And you can just go back and check the files, man, because there'd been a lot of guys that missed races. When we talk about tire management, Kyle, like what should be the expectation for, and you know, we saw Rodney Childers tweet today about this,

you know, you alluded, we heard a ham on talk about this last night. We've seen Kevin Harvick come on on this elite drivers and teams in the Cup series. They're always looking for, you know, the optimized setup. They're always looking for what is going to make us the fastest. And if they discover that as Rodney, Childers talked about this morning, that there might be free speed

in an area where we can push the limits on tire pressure or a setup adjustment, they're going to look for that. But is there a fine line between being rewarded for kind of conserving your equipment, but also not being randomly eliminated because the equipment that you're being given doesn't measure up to the standards that elite drivers and teams expect? Yeah, they're probably is. You know, you

know, and listen, the simple answer is yesterday is like, okay, we just tell them all to slow down. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Okay. I hear you. I hear you. And that is, that is the, that's to narrow it down. That is a very simplistic answer that encompasses the solution. And it does because I believe if they had gone from running, if they had

stopped running those 29 20s and 29 15s and 30s and gone back to running 29 90s and 30 flats, you probably wouldn't have this issue because you're not loading the tire the way it was. Yeah. You're not doing that. At the same time, at the same time, it is your job to optimize every piece that's given you. That's your job as a crew chief. That's your

job as a, as a team. Now, if I'm going to look at it that way, and I'm going to look at it the way Rodney and those guys look at it, then I've got to be responsible for the failure. I have to take that burden. I have to shoulder it. Okay. If I'm going to run, if I'm going to cheat the system and run lighter frame

rails and all, if you could do that again, and there was times when people did that, you know, and light roll bars and stuff, and my driver gets hurt, that's back on me. It's not on NASCAR. So if I'm going to look for that three speed and a tire that I know when it has a failure is going to send my driver and my car into

the wall at 170 or 80 miles an hour, shoulder that. Shoulder that and step up and take it. You know, put on your big boy pants, take it. But don't when it happens, point, that's good, you're fault. That's good, you're fault. They shouldn't know when we were going to do that. No, that's not good, you're fault. I would defend a good year all day long for

that. You know what I mean? I will. That's not their job. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not, they give you what they consider. The optimum tire, the range of tire pressures that are going to work, that's why they go test, that's why they run their models just like you run your models with your simulation. They do the same stuff and they say, here

are the parameters. If you go outside those parameters, that's not their fault. I am sorry. That is not their fault. I don't know what world we live in where you can blame them. And I do know it's this world. But because everybody's blaming everything. But do you understand what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. So if I am a crew chief, Rodney's one of the

smartest guys in the garage here and understands that. He is, if it's a Rodney, shoulders, if it's Rudy, if it's Allen, whoever it may be. And I'm not pitching, I'm just saying, if I'm a crew chief and I make that call, I have to shoulder that. I have to shoulder that when my driver sets out for six months. That's on me. I can't put that back

on good year. I can't put that back on NASCAR. That's got to be back on me. So I think, I think some of that is, you know, I understand the mentality. At some point in time, you have to look at tire management for in the old days was, here's a set of tires. If I just run them as hard as I can run them, they're going

to be worn out in 20 laps. My job is to make them last 30 as a driver. My job is to make them last 40 as a driver. This is not tire management. Okay. This is tire optimization. Right. Okay. And there is a difference between that. This is not about tire management. Tire management, again, is making that tire last longer. The last part of the run

be the fastest car on the racetrack, not the first part of the run. I look at it at that way as they are just trying to optimize what they have found as a loophole. Along with that loophole, there is catastrophic failure. That's sort of why I wanted to get out. Was that the consequences are kind of what is an issue here because Tyler Reddick says, hey,

we knew the tire wear was going to be a problem. We noticed some practice and we were a little bit more conservative. He and Randall Bernepo said, look, if we're going to give it a little bit speed to make the tires live, we're going to do that. It would just, it would be nice, I guess, if Tyler Reddick had been rewarded for making that choice. But

at the same time, a team that might have pushed it on air pressure is like the consequence isn't, hey, your tire pops and you go in the wall and it's, hey, your tire just gives up a lot more, goes a lot slower over the course of a run. But it doesn't fail. Yeah. And that's what you would, that's what you would hope. Okay. Now, the problem

with that is, and seriously, the problem with that is, is good year brings a tire that they feel will do everything that you just talked about. And the driver's crucifixum and the press because it doesn't grip the racetrack, it drops off too much, there's too much drop off, there's two and a half second drop off in this tire. And God forbid, they actually have to drive

the car because it doesn't stick and it doesn't drive the way it is. It should be. So to come with an ultra safe tire, to save the crew chiefs and to save the teams from themselves, and they will. We've seen it before, man, we have seen it a million times before. You know, so I think you have to go, good year has been a protector of

this sport. And I'm, I know I sound like I'm singing good years praises and everything. But don't you think, listen, you know, when I won that race at Dover on concrete, good year had tire issues all day long on Saturday. And you know what they did? Hey, boys, we're not running those tires. It's not safe. It's not safe. Everybody send home and send in this compound.

And that Sunday morning, they brought in a different kind of tire, a different compound entire. And we ran a race. We had to practice that morning and ran a race. And that was good year raising their hand. That was good. You're saying, this is wrong. So was it the perfect tire for that race that we ran on that Sunday? Probably what? They just said, this is

going to be a hard tire. We know it's going to last. And that's what we had to make work. So what NASCAR has asked good year to do is we're going to take this new car to this track, build me the optimal tire, the perfect tire. Could your attempts that? If NASCAR said, we're going to take this car and go to this race track, give me

a tire that will survive 10 pounds of air, okay? A 140 degree track temperature, all right? And it's not going to wear out. And good year will say, okay, here's one. You know what I mean? And we'll do that. But that's not what NASCAR asked for. NASCAR won't, you want that speed? You want that driver saying, man, it feels good when I get down here, man,

you just go back to the gas and all that. You don't want the bad side of it. You know what I mean? But there's got to be a, there's got to be a negative to have that type of tire. Or there's going to be a negative. I won't say there's got to be. There's going to be a negative on drop off, on maybe no tire wear.

And listen, maybe we go back to four sets of tires and no tire wear. If you want if you want, if we're going to limit it, you know what I mean? But at the same time, I think you're just going to get crucified. You know, and now we're back to perception as reality. And that's what has happened in the good year today. It's perception is they

brought a bad tire. When in reality, they didn't bring a bad tire. The tire was used, it was used the wrong way. And I want to say this before we go, before we keep hammering this is this. There were what? How many cars start to race? 38, 36. 36. 36 cars start to race. Even though we're talking about a large percentage of seven or eight, you

know what I mean? When you talk about, you know, Christopher Bell twice, true X and those guys, there are a lot of guys that didn't have issues. Yeah, a lot of guys didn't have issues. A lot of guys that ran fast didn't have issues. Well, not just ready. But Ryan Blaney said it too that they looked at the tire wear after practice and said we got

to back it off. That's right. You can serve those. So a lot of guys looked at it. So you can't blame that. You got to give those guys kudos for saying, hey, yeah, we see the problem. You know what I mean? Did these guys not see it or were these guys just willing to ignore it? You know, and again, I think I'll go back whether and

I'll defend Rodney Children's on this is I think they were in the former group, meaning they had backed off. They weren't that close. But when the speeds picked up to qualify in laps, then they were just close enough that they went over that line. Right. And how much they punished the tire. And that's where we ended up with you guys. Having tires fail every 35 laps.

But meanwhile, I'll just say that we'll put a period on this by saying this. I think redic, legano, Blaney, I think they all went the last run on 63 laps on their tires. So there's something to be said for that. All right, moving on to the next controversy. William Byron versus Danny. Yes. So Danny Hamlin squeezes Byron into the wall. I see my Cam one felt

he had done it accidentally that they didn't make contact. Byron felt very aggrieved. He hits Danny Hamlin under the next caution when Martin Truex, Jr. spun out from the lead. Byron tells Parker Kligerman, uh, yeah, I mean, he ran me out of room and bent the toe link. And it's where lucky we finished. So yeah, it didn't mean to, yeah, obviously, spin him out over there.

Obviously, you know, pissed off and just not going to get run like that. We've always run so well, erased so well together. So I don't know what it was all about. I mean, the 19 took his air away and he ran out of racetrack. So he chose to run me out of race track completely. And again, like, look, it's not like it was just like contact.

Like, I mean, I thought we were going to be done. So you ran into him off purpose off turn four. I don't know. I, I mean, obviously, yeah, I went to go show my displeasure. I didn't mean to, you know, hit him and spin him out. There's a ton of guys that do this and, um, and go do something like that. I see it all the

time. So, um, but yeah, I'm just not going to get run like that. And, um, yeah, there's really no reason. I mean, we're running second and third, I think. And, um, you know, had a shot to, to win and killed our car, for sure. So, um, that was a bummer. You talked to him about it? Uh, yeah, I guess so. We'll probably talk. I mean, look

like we've never had issues. So I don't, I didn't really get it. But I'm not just going to be like, oh, don't normally have issues with this guy. I'm not going to be mad about it. So it was, uh, yeah, it was uncalled for and, um, feel like we handled it. Denny tells Kim Kuhn. I guess we can just break each other into caution. I tried

to break him back. But, um, yeah, it's just, uh, I don't think we touched. Uh, I got a look, but I don't think we touched. But, obviously, uh, he sent us through the infield on other caution. He said he likely needs to talk to you, but you guys haven't had any prior incidents. What's that conversation going to be like? I mean, you know, I, I keep

hearing these guys, but, you know, I just, I'll just add it to the list of, uh, guys when I get a chance, they're going to get it. Gonna get it later in the playoffs. There's just something that carries over to next year. It all just works itself out. We'll be racing each other at some point and he'll lose a lot of spots because these, you know,

race in me. So it's just, uh, it's, this is hard racing. Obviously, um, I'm fine with hard racing, but recommend me undercautions. Obviously, uh, not what we were, uh, uh, bargained for. Let's work our way through this, I guess, starting with, because NASCAR didn't act here because they said that they didn't have eyes on William Byron spinning, Denny Hamlin under caution. Should Byron have been penalized?

First of all, if NASCAR were to see it, do you feel like NASCAR missed a call there that they should have penalized William Byron for what happened? That is a great question because I'm going to say if you spend somebody under caution, the answer is yes, you should be penalized because I'm going to go back, throw my safety chip back in because you have safety workers

on the track. When the whole point of a caution is stop, slow down. We've got some eye in trouble. We got to send somebody out there. Okay. I think drivers forget that too. I think a lot of people forget that. That's, that's, the caution means slow down, man. We got to get somebody needs help. So I think you should be penalized, should be ramifications for running

into somebody under caution. Now, I don't know, I've not seen the ratings for yesterday's race. Norby. Yeah, but let's just say, let's just say a million and a half people watch the race. So you're telling me a million and a half people will saw it and the people in the, in NASCAR standing in their little suite up there didn't see it because we talked about it

forever throughout that caution. That whole caution lapse long. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah. You know, which was eight or 10 minutes. Yeah. So saw, I can't believe they missed it. I don't, I don't buy that. Okay. I don't believe honestly, when you see his end car camera, when you see, when I see his end car camera, I believe he meant to run up there and

in the words of the great Delar and Hard Senior Raddler's cage, buy her into it. Buy her into it. You're okay. Pump him and say, don't appreciate it, dude. Yeah. I think he called him just right as they come through that little travel right there and just sending him out in the grass. As one car, we talk about him, we talk about these cars not lining

up and not not being able to push all the time. You know what I mean? And being in the wrong place, if you watch Denny's car as they come through there, it moves to a certain, he hits him in a wrong place and sends him around right wrong and different. Only two people know, only one person knows William Byron. He's the only one that knows. Okay.

So we can, we can talk about, but it did sending him out through the grass. So if I'm going to penalize Byron, I got a penalizing now. Okay. To come back on a Tuesday, no, I'm not going to penalizing. That's got to be back on me as, as the official. It's like watching an NFL game on Monday morning as an official and saying, I miss that

call. You just missed it. I can't go back and take that holding call. Totally changes the game. You let the game go and you miss the call. That's back on you. So I think NASCAR has to take responsibility for that and say, miss the call. We're not going to let it happen again. We'll put more eyes on TV cameras or on monitors, whatever we'll do the

best we can. Just as NASCAR had, again, had rain at Daytona and yesterday just stopped and said, we're not going to let it rain on this race track. They learn from their mistake. Okay. Learn from this. If you truly miss this call, then you can't call it. Making a call on a Tuesday is worse than the comments they said we didn't see it. Yeah. It doesn't

feel right to me to write it out. No, I think they might, but I agree with you. And also, it also feels wrong to me in that the guy who really got hurt here was Denny. Yeah. Denny went from being third, third or third or whatever to be in way back in the pack and had to work his way all the way back through traffic and

got up to finish 10th, but you know, potentially could have won the race. It doesn't address that at all. I don't want to put you on the spot KP, but no, that's right. I mean, multiple NASCAR officials, namely Scott Miller, said, When we were in the tower, we were paying more attention to the actual cause of the caution up there and dispatching our equipment. The way

in Byron, Denny, Hamlin thing, we had no eyes on. We saw Denny go through the grass and by the time we got to a replay that showed the incident well enough to do anything to it, we'd gone back to green, but I'm not sure that that issue is completely resolved as of yet. So we'll be looking at, we'll be looking at that when we get back

to work. But as I said, as we said, they had eight laps under yellow to sort this out. What do you think is going on in the scoring time? No idea. No idea. No, and I've never been privy to set an race and see how hectic it gets. I know it gets hectic. Listen, it's like mission control. You're trying to land a man on the moon

and you've got 40 of them on the race track, 38 of man on the moon trying to find their way. So I know it's incredibly hectic. I give them that. But you've got, you've put all these officials on pit road, you've put cameras on pit road, you know when there's equipment outside the box, you know when somebody's over the wall that much too quick, you've got

all those replays, you've got all that. How could you not have this? How can you not have this? This is actually on the racing surface. I mean, it's actually there. And they have an incur video. Yeah, you've got all this stuff. You've got so many, so many different things. So I don't, I felt like, and I said it before we started is, and I hate to

say it, but this is how I feel, is they were better off not to say anything. Just say we missed it. That's it. That's what you want to say. But the explanation, it's like you can sit there and be quiet and have people think you don't know what you're talking about, or you can start talking and remove all doubt. And they started talking and they removed

all doubt that they don't know what they're talking about. Yeah, you know, I mean, it was just one of those things where it's like they should not sit in. I would not sit in anything. I believe. Step away from all that Lord Byron, this felt a little bit out of character for young William. Yes. And it took me back to when he got wrecked at Darlington,

you know, bumped out of the lead by Joey. It almost seemed as if he was trying to send a message not just to Denny, but maybe he did everybody like, hey, I'm tired of getting pushed around here. Even though again, like I don't think he and Denny really made contact. It almost felt as if he was kind of over identifying what was happening. Would you make

a with. So here's what I made. Here's what I took from it. I think it made me. I think what happened. Honestly, made me look at Darlington a little bit different. Because I didn't think that what he and Joey did, he, he getting into Joey and taking the lead. I didn't think that was a big deal. I just thought it was racing. Byron, William gets hit

and he's kind of calm when the race is a win. So yesterday, he's racing and he doesn't get touched. But really what happened was 300 yards before they get to the end of the corner. It's when the wreck started. Okay. Because Danny gasped up, powered up and they just started to drift that way, drift that way. Then Denny realized they were too far out and you

can see the fire come out of Denny's tailpipes as he gets off those rocks. Danny checks up and turns, but it's too late. That started way back over there. You know, I mean, people look right here, but that's not where it started. It started way back over there. What Byron was mad about there was he felt like Danny drove him up there and he probably felt

like he did it on purpose. You know, I mean, whether Danny did or not, I know only Denny knows that side of the story. But that's what he felt like and he felt like I don't appreciate the way you raised me. Darlington, I go back and he was like, yeah, I raised you wrong. I'm guilty. So I'm not going to say anything. You know, I mean,

and that's what I took from it a little bit was to say maybe he did take some responsibility for what went on in his quiet way. What he's saying here is, you know, it's he got this kid so much reminds me of Jeff Gordon. Yeah. And a lot of ways where poking, poking, poking, he does nothing. And then you poke him one time and it's like,

oh my gosh. The tiger comes out. It's the incredible. Oh, you know what I mean? I mean, so many, so many similarities on how he does things. And the way he reacted to this really surprised me when I heard he's interviewed. It really, it surprised me too because I thought, whoa, William, man, that's pretty good there. But I think I think it was. It's a broader

message to say I deserve to be here too, man. I deserve to be here. I deserve to be racing. I deserve to be where I'm at. We had fought our way back. And he felt like and he said it. That took us out of the win. That took the win away from us because it messed up our car just enough that it took the win. And

I can't argue that because he had a fast car all day long. It's a great Jeff Gordon comparison all the way down the car number. Yeah, it's time for our motor mouths of the race presented by eBay Motors. And this is what we talk about a quote from the race weekend. And this quote comes from the race winner who I did promise we get to eventually.

Tyler Reddick, who now is won twice since announcing his impending departure in 2024 for 2311 racing. And now has won once since RCR announced that Kyle Bush will take his number eight team next season for a church oldest racing. Tyler Reddick was asked after the race, you know, how things are going with an abbreviate crew. And Tyler said, I love my team. I've never been as

close as I am with this group as I have been with anyone else. And you know, it's a type of bond and a group and the friendship that we have that will outlive our 10 year together as a driver and as a team. You know, we're already joking around about, you know, and years down the road when I'm running somewhere else, we'll probably still be doing

the same things we're doing now. We'll probably still be spending time together hanging out doing that sort of thing. That's just who we are. Yeah, we're making the most of this for sure. You know, it is unfortunate that things do have to come to an end. And as it turned out, you know, it's coming to a close a little bit sooner than we all initially thought

when I made my announcements. I think that our share needs to take for for their long term goals. And I understand that. But they're a great team and they're going to have a lot of fun and they're getting a really good driver. If I could go through the list and pick a driver, that's the guy. So for my team and those guys I care about a

lot, I'm really glad they're going to have him. So in my question, Kyle, is that normally we see situations like this implode. Yeah. For whatever reason, the number of team, I mean, yeah, they're out of the playoffs. They made the playoffs and now they've been eliminated from contention, but they're still winning a race here. They want to race after Tyler, the red against outstool is going

to go to 2311 in 2024. So what do you make of this? Like is it surprising that he can still have the success with the team he knows he's leaving? No, no, no, because I think they have. I think what he said there, I will take this. I will break this down into a couple different areas. I do believe that he believes in them and they

believe in him and they have from the first time he set his little rear end in that car. That group just believed in and tolerated. They just believed in what he could do. You know, when children's tapped him on the shoulder and said, come on, children's believed in. So he went to an organization that they believed, you know, and they believe they could do something and

they've done something and they've got better and better and better and better. And you don't just because I'm going somewhere else or you're going somewhere else, that means we can't be friends and can't that you don't believe in me. Now, the hierarchy, I mean, in Richard, I'm sure there's some harsh feelings there from the standpoint of business, but that doesn't the business side did not change

to sell sponsorship and the show Kyle Bush that this is a good team. He can come to win races that this is a team that if he believes he can win championships, they believe in him too. So they can't just fall off the face of the earth. No, you know what I mean, I mean, it's only six races and you say it's only six races. You

got to keep winning races. Oh, man, that's what we've been trying to do all years win race, you know, but you're at that place where they can't back away from that. They have to. So it doesn't surprise me that RCR, it doesn't surprise me in Tyler Reddit. It doesn't surprise me and anybody that works on that car and any of those people that do anything at

RCR because they're racers. All those guys are. You know, and they've not been up to where their standards always were in recent years. I've said that and I'll stand by that. But at the same time, they're still racers, man. And they still go the racetrack and want to win. So that good old Tyler Reddit for what he had to say there. That was that was a

good. Yeah, that was good stuff. I think it tells you a lot about why the race believes in why they've continued to have success. That was our motor miles of the race presented by eBay motors at eBay Motors. You can be your own pit crew with 122 million parts right at your fingertips. Get the right parts at the right prices eBay motors dot com. Let's ride.

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It can win the pitch coach for everybody. It's a great challenge. Is it a good thing all the time I came home? is seizing it by the throat. No one is locked in going to the most terrifying track now on the circuit. This is the piece that surprised me. And I said it yesterday, I said a couple things that, it's like a couple of years ago,

we had the Big Three. Yeah, okay. We're sitting here, we are sitting here, which six races ago and a few years ago, we had the Big Three. And now we sit here and the question is, who's it gonna be? So it went from the Big Three to who's it gonna be. And it's like, that's fascinating. This short period of time, in this sport at this level,

nobody has taken it. Joy Logano has been as good as anybody else. Christopher Bell was until this last weekend, with his finishing, but they're still not, they're not dominating performances. This is just like a sea of mediocrity. Yeah, you know what I mean? I mean, and I hate to say that. Oh, it's true. These are the best that we have. But nobody seems to want to

rise or catch the wave and ride it all the way to Phoenix. Nobody has done it yet. And it's not that they're not trying. That's the fascinating part to me. It's not that they're not trying. They just can't get their head above water. They just can't get going. We did the thing yesterday on, who's the next four out? And everybody, except for me, everybody, picked both

track out drivers. Justine, your man. Yeah, everybody picked chesthages this way. Yesterday, they gained more points per organization than any other organization. Any other way, justine moved to second. You know, and this, and I think Daniel's six or seventh or eighth or right, he's above the cut line. So you look at it and you think, okay, how did that happen? How did all the pundits say

you're out? And then they do this. You know what I mean? It's back to me and Alex Bowman. But at the same time, it's like, that's what fascinates me. And now we have to go to Talladega and the Rove in this round. And, you know, and that's why I picked some, I picked Danny Hammond to be out. You know, I picked the 12 car of Ryan

Blaney to be out because they've not grabbed this opportunity by the throat yet. What makes you think they're gonna do it at these two places? And listen, I'm hoping they do it. Because I think Danny has had one of the best seasons, you know, and the big picture of the year, I think he's had one of the best seasons. But you can't make mistakes, you can't

do things, and you can't have things like yesterday happen. Make another driver mad. And then he sends you to the back. And that's the way it is. So I am fascinated. I also, and if Talladega prints it, please, just send me my percentage. Because I said that Talladega should have a T-shirt made that says, The original Wild Card. Established 1969. Because that's what they've been. Since

1969, and they first went there and had tire issues, it's been a wild card race. So many first-time winners, so many things have happened there. So, and that's what should scare these guys. That's what should scare these guys that are in the playoffs. Go in there. As anything can happen on any lap, you could lead this thing all the way to the final lap. Eric Jones

coming out of turn four and finishes 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th. We've seen it so many times that the guy leading or running second just barely finishes in the top 15th or 16th. So it's a fascinating place. It's gonna be a crazy weekend. No one is safe from Joey Lagano, 30 points above the cut line to Alex Bowman in 12, 30 points below the cut line. Anybody

could fall out, but I like Ross Justain. 18 points above in second, and he won the most recent race at Talladega, and don't forget this man hasn't been his champion before. Yes. Which is why we love having him on the NASCAR NBC podcast. Thanks for being here, man. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. We appreciate Kyle Petty for joining us on the NASCAR NBC podcast. Thanks to

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