Mike Adams interviews Michael Wolfert of SYMBIOSIS, a Texas permaculture consulting group

All right, welcome to today's interview. I'm Mike Adams here, the founder of Brighton.com. And today we're joined by Michael Wolfert with a company called Symbiosis. And we're at the exit and build land summit. So a little bit background, I'm always just bearing with us. But Michael, welcome to the interview. And can you tell us a little bit about what you do and why it matters to

and a way to start my sort of healing journey and to focus on the solutions instead of all of the things that I didn't want to see in the world. So I think it's really important that we start producing some of the things that we are going to need forever as long as we exist as humans on planet Earth in a way that is good for

planet Earth, so that we can give an ecosystem, a food system, a society to our children better than we found it. Yes, well said, we completely agree with you. And I think what you just described the process that you went through you left the corporate world. And you decided to live on some some property and then live closer to the land and use it to help

produce. Food but also to live closer to your own values, it sounds like which are being really fully human. Not just being a borg in a corporate system, is that sound about right? Yeah, I often think that it's amazing how hard I've had to work just to try to be a human on planet Earth and to remove some of the constructs that have been sort of

placed around me. And I'm still working on it quite honestly, even though my whole life is about helping other people live more regeneratively. There's still elements of my life where I'm working on getting more in alignment with how I want it to be and how I want it to be for my family. And I think it's kind of a never ending journey just because things slid

and one or two generations things slid so far from having a relationship with nature and meeting our own needs to relying on all of these constructs. Yeah, exactly. And I think right now there seems to be a lot of reckoning, a lot of waking up among people who do want to do what what John Bush talks about. They want to exit the system, the traps and

they want to build. They want to build a better future than want to build the system for their children. They want to build sustainability redundancy decentralization. And your company, as I understand it, helps people do that. Is that you offer consulting? Is that is that an accurate description? Yeah, I really like to help people figure out the vision initially, as well as then we can create

an actual master plan design where we break down each individual design element and we figure out how they're going to tie together. Once we have a plan that everyone's on board. And we can do it with that's good for the people, good for their goals, good for the land. Then we can do a detailed budget spreadsheet. We can phase it out, break it down, figure out

the order of operations, help them build it, help them learn how to live inside of that system, how to be a part of that system and get the feedback from that system and then iterate on it and make it better and better over time. Well, that sounds okay, that sounds perfect. So a typical client of yours is that somebody who already lives in a neighborhood or

on a small plot and they just realize, hey, I need to do that. I need to make this place useful. I need to do something more meaningful with my land and they come to you. Is that usually what it is? Yeah, typically our clients are living a little bit outside of the city. We're working to two hour radius around Austin right now. And we have done

a lot of work in this city as well. But as we've started to grow as a company and grow our capabilities. We've started to focus more on homesteads that are on one acre plus. In some cases, we're working on a thousand acre ranch or all sorts of different contexts and scenarios. We're always learning and we get to do cool things like have heavy equipment and work

with tractors and seed 200 acres at a time. And so it's kind of fun to push the edges of what we can do for people. When I had, I don't know who it was, a specialist in conservation, I guess, came out to my ranch here in central Texas 10 years ago. And it was a great opportunity to work with the people. He saw all the coastal

grass that we have there because it was a former cattle ranch. And I had to fire him because he told me I should spray glyphosate on all the acreage to kill all the grass and start over. And like, I'm not spraying weed killer on this entire thing. Give me a break. There's a lot of bad information out there from more conventional angles. They like to use

a lot of 2 4 D and a lot of poisons on everything. But what's your philosophy on that? How? How do people reform their property without using all these chemical inputs? Yeah, well, I think any time that we're choosing to go to war with nature, we're choosing a war that we're going to lose and a war that hurts ourselves because we're part of nature. So I

think we need to avoid that at all costs. And I think if you have coastal bermuda and that doesn't work for your plan, you should change your plan. And you should make that resource work for you. And you should find a way to go with the flow, go with the natural process rather than to try to go to war with it and start over. And nature's

evolving, you know, you can say, oh, that's invasive. That doesn't belong here. This or that, but nature doesn't care. You know, nature's evolving and changing. And it'll find a way. But it's a matter of, can we get where we want to get in our lifespan? Because if you just leave it alone for a thousand years, nature's going to do its thing. And it's going to become

a climax ecosystem again. But we need to do it in a human life span so that we can enjoy it. Well, I found just like leaving my property alone for 10 years. The number of food sources that we're going to use that just spontaneously emerge is astonishing, you know, from the blueberries to the wild onions that the hogs eat, to the acorns, to the cactus fruit,

on and on. And I haven't even planted anything. All I've done is just not poison it for a decade. Yeah, you just start learning, well, what can I actually eat here? And it's fascinating. When you start going down that rabbit hole, every single plant has a function. It has a medicinal use. It plays a role in this complex web of life. And so I think, in

some ways, we need to learn how to how to work with the lamb. But in some ways, we need to just learn what it is in the first place. And what's going on with it. And how do we start to just walk the land in a way that is beneficial to our health? What's your company's website symbiosis TX.com. That's s Y M B I O S

I S T X is in Texas. A full service. I'm reading from your brochure a full service design build firm specializing in holistic land. Regeneration projects in central Texas. Do you offer any kind of consulting remotely to people? You know, at this time, I really choose to focus on central Texas, because we've got a bunch of different bio regions here. And I stay plenty busy, just

working in this area. And I really like to be able to build the things that I design and the things that my team designed so that we can learn from actually bringing these things into reality and seeing how they function. I think if you're just doing the design and then you don't build it, it's really hard to learn what you've done right and what you've done

wrong. Good point. Do you have photos on your website? People can see some of your success stories. Yeah, I'm glad you asked. There's lots of photos up there on the website and we're always working on it. So please visit again in the future because I'm in the midst of getting some really awesome new content up there. Okay, that's great. Well, we look forward to it. Thanks

for spending a few minutes with me here. Really appreciate what you're doing. Absolutely. Thank you, Mike. All right. Thank you, Michael. And again, the company is symbiosis and the website is symbiosis TX as in Texas.com. I got that right. Okay, as long as people can spell symbiosis, it's all going to be good. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for listening folks. Mike Adams here. Brighton.com and get get into

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