John Ratcliffe: How Merrick Garland could turn into Bidens fall guy

. ALL RIGHT? THAT'S MY RIFF. NOW, WITH GREAT PLEASURE, JOINING ME IS JOHN RATCLIFFE, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY. WE NEVER PUT THAT IN BUT THAT IS A TRUE FACT AND AN IMPORTANT ONE. HE IS ALSO FORMER DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND WAS A HOUSE MEMBER FROM TEXAS. JOHN RATCLIFFE, WELCOME. JOHN, I HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT 40

MINUTES BUT LET ME ASK YOUR QUICK OPINION. I MAY BE WRONG. I DON'T WANT TO DEFEND MERRICK GARLAND ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BUT TO ME YOU GO FOR THE BIG FISH, NOT THE LITTLE FISH. THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD AND THEREFORE I WOULD GO AFTER JOE BIDEN BECAUSE I THINK IMPEACHMENT IS THE ONLY WAY BIDEN COULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE IF

THE CHARGES ALLEGED TURN OUT TO BE TRUE. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT STORY? BIDEN OR GARLAND? >> WELL, LARRY I THINK YOU GO FOR BOTH AND I THINK HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY. YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS ALLEGATION AGAINST JOE BIDEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S APP MESSAGE THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER HAS IDENTIFIED ABOUT A POTENTIAL FIVE MILLION DOLLAR BRIBE, THE REASON

YOU KNOW THAT IS VERY SERIOUS, LARRY, IS WATCHING HOW THE WHITE HOUSE HAS CHANGED THEIR TONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS ROOM. SO JOHN KIRBY AND KARINE JEAN-PIERRE GAVE GLIB RESPONSES FROM OH, IT'S BUNCH OF MALARKEY TO IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS JOHN KIRBY RUNNING AWAY FROM THERS, KARINE JEAN-PIERRE INSTEAD OF SAYING RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION WAS JOE BIDEN WITH HUNTER BIDEN AT THAT TIME, INSTEAD

OF SAYING NO, I REFER YOU TO THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL. SO YOU KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I THINK THAT UNDERSCORES THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT BUT I ALSO THINK WITH REGARD TO MERRICK GARLAND, HONESTLY, LARRY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD EVER COME TO AN IMPEACHMENT. ROOK, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IN THIS CASE EVERY TIME MERRICK GARLAND HE INTERFERED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER CAME FORWARD WITH RECEIPTS. HE CAME FORWARD WITH

REAL TIME EMAILS THAT CORROBORATE WHAT HE IS SAYING AND OTHER WITNESSES THAT WERE THERE AND CORROBORATE WHAT HE IS SAYING. SO REALLY WHAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS NEED TO DO IS SYSTEMATICALLY PROSECUTE THIS CASE. DO THINGS LIKE INTERVIEW, DID ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY LESLIE WOLFE REALLY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JOE BIDEN BEING THE BIG GUY OR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN.

THERE WILL BE A PAPER TRAIL IF HUNTER BIDEN'S LAWYERS WERE TIPPED OFF ABOUT A SEARCH WARRANT. IF THERE REALLY WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BRING FELONY INDICTMENTS AGAINST HUNTER BIDEN THAT WERE NOT ULTIMATELY BROUGHT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A PAPER TRAIL ABOUT THAT I THINK, LARRY IF THAT PROVES TO BE TRUE. I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL AGAINST MERRICK GARLAND. I THINK IN THE

FACE OF THAT, IF IT IS CORROBORATED HE WILL RESIGN OR JOE BIDEN WILL FIRE HIS WING MAN AND LET HIM BE THE FALL GUY FOR THIS. LARRY: SURE, HE WILL THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS. I SHOULDED THAT IN THE RIFF. HE WILL THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO GO FOR THE BIG FISH, AGAIN, JOHN, I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR TO DEFEND

MERRICK GARLAND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BUT IN TODAY'S BIDEN WORLD JUSTICE SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPLETELY POLITICIZED AND WEAPONIZED THE RULE OF LAW IS NOT APPLIED IN A NEUTRAL FASHION, OKAY? AND THEREFORE IF THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MR. BIDEN, PAPA BIDEN ARE PROVEN TO BE CORRECT, THEN THE ONLY JUSTICE THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IS THROUGH IMPEACHMENT. IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM THAT WAS

MY THOUGHT. I SAID THIS EARLIER IN THIS EPISODE, NOT TODAY, BUT EARLIER AND CHOSEN, I STILL HAVE THAT VIEW BUT YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE, THAT GARLAND -- >> NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. EITHER RESIGNATION OR THE IMPEACHMENT IF IT CAME TO THAT OF MERRICK GARLAND WOULD THEN REALLY SERVE AS A BASIS TO PURSUE, MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PROSECUTED AND

DEVELOPED TO MOVE AGAINST JOE BIDEN RELATED TO HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND CORRUPTION WITH RESPECT TO THAT BUT THE OTHER PART OF THIS YOU HAVE NOT COMMENTED ON, LARRY, THE IMPACT, YOU TALK ABOUT WEAPONIZATION, THE IMPACT THIS CAN HAVE ON MERRICK GARLAND'S OTHER CASES VIS-A-VIS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE WEAPONIZING IT TO FAV ONE POLITICAL CANDIDATE AND HARM ANOTHER POLITICAL DAN DATE, IF ALL OF

THIS IS PROVEN TO BE TRUE, SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH WILL BE IN THE UNENVIABLE POSITION SAY, NO, NO, THIS TIME WE REALLY DIDN'T TARGET DONALD TRUMP. THIS TIME HE IS REALLY GUILTY OF OFFENSES AND I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO BE DEALING WITH THAT BUT I THINK THAT IS THE PERCEPTION MANY PEOPLE HAVE AND IF HOUSE REPUBLICANS DRILLING DOWN ON THIS PROVE SOME OF THESE WEAPONIZATION

CLAIMS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT IMPACT OF THE OTHER POINT WORTH NOTING HERE, LARRY, NO ONE HAS REALLY TALKED ABOUT, I AM REALLY OF THE OPINION, WE TALK ABOUT ELECTIONS HAVING CONSEQUENCES I DON'T THINK, IF KEVIN MCCARTHY AND HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT IN CHARGE AND ARE NOT LEVYING POTENTIAL CONTEMPT CHARGES AGAINST THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE FBI DIRECTOR, I DON'T THINK THAT HUNTER BIDEN

IS INDICTED AT ALL. I THINK THAT WE MAY NOT LIKE THE INDICTMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IF HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAD NOT FORCED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S HAND ON THIS ISSUE. ELECTIONS DO HAVE CONSEQUENCES. I THINK KEVIN MCCARTHY AND HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN PROSECUTING THE CASES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WON'T PROSECUTE. LARRY: WELL THEY

ARE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. BY THE WAY THE FBI, I MEAN I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT CHRISTOPHER WRAY BUT YOU KNOW, HE IS ANOTHER BAD, BAD, BAD ACTOR IN THIS, YOU KNOW, MR. COMER, CHAIRMAN COMER GOT THE FBI TO CUFF UP 1023 REPORTS THE FBI DENIED EVER HAVING! OF COURSE AS WE KNOW IT IS ALMOST A SCAM, LAST WEEK THEY WENT UP AND GAVE THEM SOME MORE

1023s IN A SCIF BUT THE WHOLE THING WAS REDACTED, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS UNCLASSIFIED. THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SEGMENT ON THE FBI. I DON'T WANT TO LET THEM ESCAPE. >> BUT IT MAKES THE SAME POINT, YOUR POINT IS RIGHT, LARRY, THINK ABOUT THAT. THINK OF THE EVIDENCE THAT THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD IN FIVE MONTHS THAT THE FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

DIDN'T SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN FIVE YEARS. THAT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. LARRY: WELL IN YOUR INTERVIEW YOU SAID IT WITH TREY GOWDY ON SUNDAY EVENING IN A GREAT INTERVIEW, IT IS REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE. FIVE YEARS AND HUNTER BIDEN GETS A SWEETHEART DEAL A REAL NOTHING BURGER, OKAY? IN SEVEN MONTHS UNDER THE GARLAND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON THEY ESSENTIALLY INDICT

DONALD TRUMP FOR 400 YEARS. I MEAN BASICALLY I'VE SAID ALL ALONG BIDEN, BIDEN SAID THIS THE NIGHT OF THE MIDTERMS, JOHN RATCLIFFE, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKES, HE WOULD DO ANYTHING, GOVERNMENT WOULD DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT TRUMP FROM BEING PRESIDENT AND I JUST SEE THIS INDICTMENT AS PART OF THAT. IT'S CRAZY. I WAS GOING TO ADD ONE OTHER THING THIS GUY SMITH IS HANGING HIS ENTIRE CASE, ON

A DOCUMENT, JOHN RATCLIFFE THAT NO ONE HAS AND THEY CAN'T FIND. >> RIGHT. LARRY: IT IS ABSOLUTELY, NOTHING BUT HEARSAY. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ELSE THOUGH. WE'RE COVERING THE WATER FRONT. WE'LL SIT DOWN FOR 50 MINUTES HERE. MY PRODUCERS WILL GO NUTS. I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR DO YOU THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE HUNTER BIDEN SWEETHEART

DEAL AND SO FORTH THAT THE FEDERAL JUDGE WILL ACCEPT THIS DEAL PUT TOGETHER BY THE PROSECUTORS AND BY HUNTER BIDEN. OR DO YOU THINK THAT THE JUDGE AS YOU SUGGESTED IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH TREY GOWDY WHICH IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT INTERVIEW, THE JUDGE WILL LOOK AROUND, TAKE A LOOK AT EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING SINCE THIS DEAL WAS ANNOUNCED AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE

MORE FISH TO FRY HERE? >> I HOPE SO BECAUSE THE JUDGE IS REQUIRED TO ACCEPTING A PLEA LOOK AT THE DEFENDANT'S CONDUCT. ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, INCLUDES FELONY POSSESSION OF A FIREARM USING A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. THAT IS SERIOUS FELONY. IT CARRY AS 10-YEAR MAXIMUM YEAR PENALTY. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CASE THAT MISDEMEANOR OR DIVERSION HUNTER BIDEN GOT. BEFORE YOU GET

INTO THE FACT THE PROSECUTORS WANT TO ACCEPT THIS PLY ARE THE PROSECUTOR THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS SAYING THEY HAVE OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE. THEY WOULDN'T LET ME ASK QUESTIONS. THEY WOULDN'T LET US ASK THINGS THAT IMPLICATED HUNTER BIDEN FOR FURTHER CRIMES WITH HIS FATHER. I WOULD BE SO DISAPPOINTED IF A FEDERAL JUDGE ACCEPTED THAT. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THAT HAPPENS, LARRY, THERE ARE ONLY TWO SETS OF LAWYERS

WILL BE IN THE ROOM ARGUING FOR THE JUDGE TO ACCEPT THIS PLEA AGREEMENT. ONE IS GOING TO BE HUNTER BIDEN'S LAWYERS AND THE OTHER IS GOING TO BE MERRICK GARLAND'S LAWYERS. SO REALLY A LOT IS HANGING ON THIS FEDERAL JUDGE BEING SOMEONE WHO RESPECTS THE LAW FOR WHAT IT IS AROUND WON'T WEAPONIZE IT AND WON'T ALLOW THEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT. I WILL BE REALLY

DISAPPOINTED IF THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE ACCEPT AS PLEA. LARRY: WE KNOW THAT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS CHANGED HANDS. WE KNOW THAT NOW. THE WHOLE WHATSAPP ISSUE, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS CHANGED HANDS BETWEEN A CHINESE NATIONAL INVOLVED IN THE CHINESE PARTY INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS PASSING IT OVER TO THE BIDENS WHATEVER ACCOUNTS THEY MAY USE OF ALL THESE STUPID LLCs THEY PUT FORWARD. YOU GOT WIRE TRANSFERS. YOU GOT MONEY

LAUNDERING. YOU HAVE GOT BRIBERY. YOU HAVE GOT INFLUENCE PEDDLING. THIS IS ALL COMING FROM CHINA. THIS IS ALL BEFORE THE BURISMA PART. THE JUDGE WILL KNOW THIS. HE MAY NOT KNOW THE BURISMA PART HE WILL KNOW THIS FROM THE WHATSAPP AND TREASURY BANK ACCOUNTS. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S IRONIC YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY JOE BIDEN DOESN'T SEEM TO

BE WILLING TO STAND UP TO CHINA BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PAYMENT TO JOE BIDEN, INC., THREATS WILL BE MADE ACCORDING TO THAT WHATSAPP MESSAGE. LARRY: IS THERE ANY QUESTION IN YOUR MIND, STAY WITH THIS WHATSAPP FOR A SECOND, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO, THAT JOE BIDEN WASN'T SITTING NEXT TO HUNTER BIDEN AS DISPLAYED IN THAT COMMUNICATION FROM WHATSAPP? IS

SAID I REFER YOU TO WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO IF THE ANSWER IS NO. SO THAT TELLS ME A LOT. LARRY: JOHN, HUNTER BIDEN'S OWN LAWYER SAID YES, HE BLAMED IT ON ADDICTION, HE BASICALLY SAID YES, HE SAID THAT. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ASSUME -- I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ASSUME. SOMETIMES A FACT IS JUST A

FACT, ALL RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY JOHN RATCLIFFE, MOST INTERESTING THINGS I DID NOT KNOW, MY BAD, YOU WERE A U.S. ATTORNEY. THAT IS WHY YOU WERE SO GOOD AT DNI. THAT'S THE REASON. >> WELL NO ONE BRAGS ABOUT BEING A LAWYER, LARRY. LARRY: YOU'RE TERRIFIC. DIRECTOR JOHN RATCLIFFE, THANK