Dr. Robert J. Gilbert | Fractals, Patterns, BioGeometry, Spiritual Science | Ep.196

[Music] hello welcome to the pretty intense podcast long one for you today but if you're interested at all in the nature of reality think you'll stay tuned today the guest is Dr Robert Gilbert he has a PHD in international studies he was also a U.S Marine Corps instructor in the field of nuclear biological and chemical warfare defense I think that just means smart and that's what

you'll experience today in the interview he educates in the fields of spiritual science biological science biogeometry which is he is the first person that has been able to teach biogeometry outside of Egypt he also studies and shares on the rosicrucian order point is I didn't really know where to start because he's so smart and there's so much information that he is so so studied in and

so so intellectual about but he is so articulate and so those spaces that we got into the most today were spiritual science and biological science and just how the Body Works chakras energy how we can move it what is disease how to move the energy body how we're interacting with the world around us people it was honestly just fascinating it's densely packed with Vital Information to

live your best life I mean at the end of the day that's what it's about like what are we here for how do we make the most amount of progress in this life so that we can progress through and we don't have to come back and do it again because that's essentially what happens if you want to know any more information about Robert you go to

his website at vesca.org if you want to watch videos you can go to Gaia TV he has an entire series there so enjoy this deep dive into the world of patterns and geometry and how that interacts with our life please hit subscribe let me know what you think in the comments and see you next time element is a tasty electrolyte drink with everything you need and

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brought back from there when I was in college and International Studies very very cool I love that that's beautiful yeah thank you I'm very into color and shape so well I wasn't sure if it had some geometry uh nature to it that calibrated energy this isn't a joke I'm deadly serious like love that stuff and that's mostly what I want to talk to you about you

know biogeometry I'm fascinated by I'm fascinated by energy my biggest question in life is what is this reality we're living in like what is the truth about this reality because well I feel it's a big question and I'm not 100 sure we can get down to it although I bet with this conversation you could probably enlighten me and tell me what the answer is or at

least that would be fun um but when we know more about the nature of our reality we know how to we know how to play the game yes we know how to how to maximize it we know we we are then not only also hoping or even trying to believe something we know it and when we know it and we embody it completely then it's a

real real reality there's no contradiction contradicting energy from sort of believing which implies that you don't and you need to effort for it so let's I would love to get to the point where we can all understand and embody the truth about this reality so I think we start with biogeometry uh just a little bit of of background to that I had been an instructor in

the Marine Corps in the nuclear biological chemical defense field and at that time I began to study aspects of biology chemistry physics that are the background to all physical reality and I got fascinated by how what we know about these systems that create everything in our world actually goes back to ancient knowledge from the great temples in the ancient world the great systems of spiritual initiation

and so when you begin to study the foundations of modern Atomic science you come back to the platonic solids that were taught by the Greeks thousands of years ago and even the first nuclear weapon was based on one of the platonic solids that the Greeks warned against thousands of years ago so getting into this aspect of looking at modern scientific research and what we had discovered

about the patterns behind things and then seeing that many of those patterns were known in the ancient world but they understood those patterns in a much larger holistic spiritual context then in the time that I was uh after the Marine Corps got into field of international studies I was able to study systems all over the world and how they understand the patterns of creation to not

only change our own lives but to change the world around us and that led me to the field of sacred geometry and I was very fortunate to be able to create a series on the Gaia channel that came out last year on sacred geometry to be able to introduce people to some of the most important Concepts in that field and I like to approach it in

such a way that it's really the study of patterns sacred geometry is the study of all the patterns that exist because there's a pattern to everything and the key to empowerment is understanding what the pattern is of that thing whether it's our finances whether it's our relationships whether it's our health there's always a pattern behind success or failure and in the ancient world they understood that

these patterns also exist for understanding who am I why am I here what is the purpose of this current Incarnation what is the purpose of us incarnating into a physical body in a physical world to begin with I was very fortunate to now over 20 years ago meet Dr Ibraham Karim from Cairo Egypt who's an absolutely remarkable natural scientist and professionally he's an architect and he

trained me in his field of biogeometry which we'll talk about here in just a moment and I was very fortunate to be the first person outside of Egypt that he invited to become an instructor in the field because I came to all of his trainings and I took copious notes and I arranged it all in a new format and I was very very engaged with it

and I have a natural resonance with ancient Egypt and this type of spiritual and vibrational knowledge it's something that's very important to me as a kid I never understood why people focus their attention on such transient things and didn't ask the most basic question about who am I and why am I here and how do we use this current incarnation in the best way before it's

all over oh my god well that's literally like what I like I obviously come up with a lot of questions I do a lot of research I already knew a ton of your work I'd listen to it a bunch which is what drove me to want to talk to you and that was my that is literally what I wrote down as sort of like an orderly

formal final question is like what is the goal for each life or being a human being at all but let's not start there we can end there or we can start there it doesn't matter but actually I'd like to take a moment and go backwards because I feel like we can spend lots of time with like the information the data and what to do but let's

just go back in time first and so let's talk about these ancient temples ancient pyramids um ancient structures um and civilizations and what it what what their role was I have I went to Egypt um two years ago and I had always just like you I've been fascinated with it I was a teenager and wanted to go to Egypt and to see the pyramids I didn't

know why I didn't know why I was so drawn to it I mean I can watch The Mummy on you know the movie The Mummy and be intrigued just because it has to do with Egypt like yes I'm so drawn to it so what was the role with temples the role with you know the the pyramids and the also putting in perspective the locations of them

as well yes so the ancient Egyptian temple science was a qualitative science today when we think about science we think about it being quantitative but in the ancient world they understood things in terms of qualities of energy so there's an energetic aspect that comes from higher spiritual Realms higher spiritual planes to create this world that gets expressed in the powers of color and shape and angle

and proportion and number sequences all these things are a kind of divine code or Divine language of this world in the ancient world in every ancient tradition including ancient Egypt they had systems of initiation where people went through certain step-by-step processes that would expand their Consciousness to higher levels so they would begin to perceive themselves as a multi-dimensional being operating on multiple planes at the same

time they would begin to understand the way that human consciousness can be developed much much further than it is currently to develop abilities that we tend to think of today as magical and the human Energy System can be developed much much further and to do things that again today would be thought to be impossible in working with natural forces and so it kind of comes back

I can paraphrase the work of Arthur C Clarke who he says any sufficiently advanced form of technology that one does not understand will appear to be magic and that's very much the way it was in ancient Egypt and these other ancient cultures they thought about things in a completely different way than we do and that makes if you see things from a different perspective it makes

things that seem to be impossible possible and so there's a whole system of Temple initiations in ancient Egypt that were very advanced and we need to understand some of the fundamentals of what spiritual initiation really is yeah so one aspect of this has been almost forgotten today is that when we do anything with our Consciousness or our energy it starts to create an energy pattern in

our physical body and our energy field so whatever thoughts we keep generating whatever their quality is whatever energies we're generating with our heart or with our actions in the world it's developing a pattern that then creates a type of sacred geometric structure in our energy field and so for advanced masters of this work they could check out somebody's field and see what energy structures are present

so this is a very simple way to explain that certain chakras in their energy field would be more activated or not very activated or they would be balanced in a harmonious way or they would be unbalanced or the energy meridians and patterns in the body would be fully open or they would be blocked all of these things are components of larger geometric patterns that can be

created in the human energy field and so this development of the Consciousness and energy gets reflected in energy patterns in a person's field and that's the pearl of great price that we can take through the gate of death and then into a new rebirth and this is a classic idea but this is like the thing that really matters okay we can just while away our time

here and not have it add up to much of anything and we're no more advanced at the time of death than we were when we came here in the first place or we can do some really serious development work with our Consciousness and energy and become more than we were before and again that gets preserved in these energy patterns in our field that's like the one

thing you take with you yeah so what's the consequence of not improving in this life so we can quickly hook more people to listen so that they understand how they can fix their energy field and make progress and improve the patterns of their life or whatever those things are that we're gonna you're gonna help us understand there are many consequences but probably the most fundamental thing

that that'll drive it home for everybody is that if you do not use this lifetime for advancing your state and you don't understand the patterns of life then basically you're just going to be condemned to keep repeating the same mistakes and you're going to repeat yourself to an endless cycle of suffering so that's one of the main Concepts in Buddhism is how much unnecessary suffering are

we exposing ourselves to by not striving for enlightenment or not doing the basic work to be able to observe and control our mind to observe and control and direct our feeling life to observe and control our energy and our actions in the world to control and direct our speech so this is really a universal concept but for the Buddhists they talk about skillful action take skillful

action you'll develop yourself to a place where you have more pleasure you have more freedom you understand how things work and you can make an educated decision or you can take unskillful action just be in the reactive mind and react emotionally to everything around you in a way that's destructive and destroys relationships destroys possibilities and then you'll just stay on that cycle of suffering so that's

really the most fundamental part of it but the other part of it is there's a deeper aspect of suffering beyond our usual day-to-day experience and that is there's a type of subtle suffering that comes by not knowing Who We Are by not remembering who we are why we're here what we chose to do in this Incarnation this larger spiritual context it's often very subconscious in people

but it drives them to try to fill their lives with other things that just become destructive in the end well help us get off the wheel of karma I'll do I'll do what I can I'm working to get off it myself but yes I mean well is that I mean as right now is that innate within the human existence is that we will never be able

to fully see ourselves and remember our past and remember where we came from and who we are and that is confined within this Dimension as part of the human existence in the in our in our in our challenge of this reality is that part of this Matrix this was understood in the ancient world in classical initiation as what was referred to as taking the draft of

forgetfulness this means that when you incarnate you are made to forget who you are where you're from what this whole purpose is your past incarnations the whole thing I sure do this classic understanding of the draft of forgetfulness is the thing that we come in not remembering now this is not true for people of certain levels of higher Spiritual Development because of the structures they've created

in their subtle bodies they can bring in the remembrance of who they are pretty much from the beginning and these people can recognize the people around them in their lives from their connections with them in previous lives and they they maintain more of this knowledge but that's based on certain structures you create in the subtle body that takes work it takes knowledge to to create these

now initiation one major part of it has always been to go through a remembering process in the European rosicrucian tradition there's a great initiation saying which is in the beginning was the memory that means the first thing that we have to do when we come back every time is to regain our karmic memory of who we are because this is not our first rodeo we've done

this before and so there's certain types of karmic exercises a person can do to start to remember who they are where they come from Etc and that that gate is not as closed for some people as it is for others and particularly there's a lot of this going on now because there's been such a Resurgence of what in the ancient world was particular types of plant

medicine that were used in initiation processes and is now coming back with the mass use of psychotropics often related to the old plant medicine and that can often help people regain their karmic memory through certain activations but the key thing here is to remember again who we are why we're here because otherwise you know it's like we're in some movie where we're amnesic and we have

to go through this whole process of where am I what's happened what's this whole thing about but once we start to remember that now we regain our purpose and we begin to remember who we've been and how that's led to here and that this is itself only one bead in a chain leading to a particular destination for us to become a unique spiritual being in the

world it's what from the Greek work is called teleological destination it's like we're being pulled towards what we're meant to become in the future and all these interesting things happen to us people we meet and experiences that were given and things we didn't expect appearing in our lives helping to pull us toward this and so like again in the old rosicrucian initiation this was referred to

as reading the name and scribed on the stone and this is where we begin to remember who we've been before now there's a lot of challenges with this because it's very easy for this to fall into fantasy we were just projecting all types of things about I'd like to be this I'd like to be that so if people if their first memories are something that's very

elevated like I was this fantastic famous historical figure in the past and I'm just drenched in glory then often that should be questioned because when you actually start doing past life regression with people it's very common that first thing they remember are traumatic experiences being a scullery made in 13th century France where you were horribly abused this type of thing but the larger aspect of it

is that there is a purpose to our series of incarnations now again going to the modern European rosicrucian tradition which I believe is kind of transformation of the old Egyptian initiation the essene initiation the Greek the Holy Grail tradition in Europe into a modern format there's a whole aspect of this where human race has a esoteric name just like the higher Angelic beings have names that

that point to what their power their function is the name for the human race and the rosicrucian tradition is that we are spirits of love and freedom and so that's one of the hardest combinations to get right because love is all about uniting and becoming one with other other people other beings and then freedom is the ability to separate from other beings and make completely independent

decisions now higher Spiritual Beings have the ability to do something that another teacher of mine Dr Samuel Sagan at the Clear Vision School of Australia back in the 90s I was training with him and he had a concept called combinescence so combined Essence common essence you may perceive in spiritual perception that there is what appears to be a gigantic Angelic being some great spiritual being but

then you perceive that there are other beings starting to peel out of this larger spiritual being as independent entities and you begin to realize that non-physical Spiritual Beings can actually unite together in a combined energetic form that appears to be one being but then they can separate back out again into separate beings oh my God now in a physical body we have a very limited ability

to do this but out of the physical body as energy Fields they can actually combine together and so that's part of this thing of being spirits of love and freedom we're supposed to find the right Rhythm the right ability to make Free Will choices to be able to unite with another person or persons to become the one again back to the Divine plane back to the

godhead back to the original unified state where we're all one and that's what we all seek emotionally we want to find that partner that we can become one with oh like the combination of the energy that we see as like one thing but we know it's like when you say that I'm like yes uh I was just you know I have done some plant medicine ceremonies

and recent experience I had you know whenever I'm explaining it it's a they they want me to know but it seems singular but it's a they yeah it just you know it's an as you know it's a collective energy but it seems as though it's one voice in a way so this is really part of the classical knowledge about multiple planes of creation at the highest

level what in the west we might call the Divine plane everything is one there is no polarity there is no Duality there's no yin yang there's no masculine feminine there's no separation of any kind everything is one that's like the highest state that people attain in psychotropic experience but you feel like you became one again and like the cosmic Ocean and the cosmic being and it's

a very real State and the something that we yearned for that we have embedded in us so something that we yearn forward to experience with another person or to experience in high spiritual states to get back to that state of Oneness but the level beneath the Divine plane what we might call the spiritual plane is where that Oneness divides into multiplicity all the different powers of

the Divine or they say in the Himalayas the sittas and so at that level these are great beings beings are the tremendously High stature we think of them today as mythologic the gods or these are these the you know in ancient Greek stories or even ancient Egypt stories like yes these are sort of the gods are there are the are the fractions of a higher level

higher dimension of reality absolutely they're they're the one divided into all of its separate Powers functions qualities as conscious beings on a very high spiritual level so if you're in India you might talk about the Shivan Shakti if you were in ancient Egypt you would talk about the netters the conscious powers of nature these are all aspects of these higher spiritual forces that then move down

through the plains until we get to more microcosmic beings like ourselves and so one of the Mysteries in the ancient world is what they called the The Mystery of the Black Cube how is it that we're amnesiacs in this physical world and we begin to realize that we're a spiritual being having a spiritual experience in the physical body in a physical world and how did I

get here and so this mystery of the Black Cube is on how higher beings create a space-time enclosure for us to move into as young Spiritual Beings going through an educational process like going to kindergarten so everything's brightly colored and solid and so we become very self-aware in this process but it's really the whole question of how we are able to attain self-awareness and then attain

The Higher Goals of developing both love and freedom and that becomes part of what well in the Chinese tradition they call the nine heart pains the things that become the most challenging for us in life we're all going to seek that partner that we can become one with again and unify with and have that love with because love is all about unification into the one no

separation but then you have to have the freedom and you've got to be able to have your own time in your own space and make your own decisions and not just give yourself over to another person that Rhythm of Love And Freedom particularly in Intimate Relationships you know is one of the greatest challenges in life it can have the greatest Pleasures in life but it can

also have the greatest pain but the whole of human life is really about how do we balance love and freedom service to others and self-development without flying off into Mass narcissism in one sense or at least using our freedom and Independence and the other polarity codependency so let's talk about how to do that how do we how do we evolve spiritually geometrically pattern wise are I've

heard you talk about you know our energy structure um so I'm not sure the right exact direction to go this is the hard thing about interviewing you is you are so wise and knowledgeable about so many things it's hard to know exactly which way to point the ship but um maybe thank you um bear with me um maybe what creates our energy structure is that something

passed down from lifetimes is this something created is this something through DNA and our parents in some way genetically um what is it that creates our energy structure and you know then of course the probably roll into how do we change that or how do we evolve that how do we grow so that we can reach a point and space and time with our bodies uh

that we can then be confident and comfortable and know ourself well enough to be able to uh unite but be free and not only do that with ourselves but in but with someone else because freedom is the having giving the other person Freedom too yes absolutely so one of the core aspects of this and thank you very much for the kinds so true it's just like

I could just listen to you for hours and and I have but thank you I appreciate that so again this all comes back to the study of patterns there's a reason why every classical tradition teaches sacred geometry because if you don't understand the pattern of something you have no ability to co-create with it or to use it for your own benefit you're just a victim of

that and again that's true for everything in life whether it's relationships finances Health everything is based on this including our Spiritual Development the problem we have today is what I often refer to as the blessing and the curse that we actually have more access to different schools of spiritual knowledge today than at any previous time in recorded human history stuff that you would have to go

to incredible links in the past to like go to another country and try to be accepted into a temple and have them teach you and they wouldn't even teach you the main stuff for 10 years now you can buy a book on it it's incredible exactly and so for example the higher level Chinese Taoist internal Alchemy systems which are some of the most advanced energetic work

in the world was super hidden until the 1980s and then it began to be published today you can get books about it you can go to courses on it used to be super hidden your work even being with covet I remember you talking about how making that platform available instead of doing things in person it created such a such a bigger reach it really did so

again there's blessings and curses involved so the the blessing of this is that we have incredible access to very deep spiritual knowledge and practice information that in the past would have been almost impossible for us to access so for those of us that are really excited and stimulated about these types of possibilities this is an amazing time to be alive but the curse of it is

that a lot of this information didn't come out in a whole form it came out in these broken fragments and so and a lot of the way the information is coming out is either slightly twisted or corrupted or just plain wrong or it's a half truth that's sometimes more dangerous than a complete pulsive that's partly why the information was held tightly and usually given verbally is

because that way it could they wanted to make sure that the people that were getting it were able to use it responsibly and not manipulate people with it because it's very powerful technology that's absolutely right is that you had I mean they didn't even teach you the main stuff for years because they had to test the quality of your character because again you could misuse this

knowledge terribly and and so that was one reason why it was kept hidden and in these very close initiation systems but again we have this uh the blessing of the access to the knowledge but the curse that is completely fragmented today okay and so we have to put it back together into a unified whole because if we don't understand how the pieces fit together again we

don't have what we need to make informed decisions we have very limited time and energy in our Earthly life and we have to be able to make informed decisions about what's the most important things I need to learn what's the most important things I need to experience yes what's the most important practices for me to do because there's a bazillion practices you could do out there

overwhelming it can be but if you can put it into a context if you can see how it all fits back together then you can navigate in an informed way through it and that's part of what I created The bessica Institute for I don't claim to have all the universal knowledge but it's meant to put the pieces back together yeah to be able to express in

the most clear concise form possible so that people can make informed decisions and under understand how those those pieces do fit together today and so going to your question about well what's this about it where's our energy body come from so every human being once we understand those patterns once we see the larger context again that's why sacred geometry is so important because it's really the

study of patterns not only metaphysical patterns but also those for our daily life in the physical world so every human being is based on the same sacred geometry pattern which as I describe in the Gaia series is a thought form in the mind of God from the high Divine plane level that then manifests down through the plains as a particular pattern of energy and Consciousness we

all have that exact same blueprint that's why we all have the same chakras the same energy meridians acupuncture points Etc it's exact same blueprint for all of us because originally we were all one we were all one in the Divine plane with the godhead and the unified field were all one there but or was sometimes described as the pleasure of the godhead the pleasure of the

one we separated out into separate beings so that we could magnify our experience as separate beings and we think we're a completely individual and separate from everything else for a period of time so that we can now develop in a fractal way as separate beings and magnify the whole experience set of everyone and everything so we all have the exact same blueprint that gives us the

capacity for Consciousness energy making Free Will choices but also unifying back to the one if we choose to or learn how to and so that Universal pattern of energy can then be individualized and so every act that we take every thought that we generate every emotion we generate every action we take actually creates an emanation of a particular quality of energy out of our energy field

that's why some people are very pleasurable to be around because but they're emanating out from the quality of their thoughts their feelings their actions and something that feels good to be around for other people it may not feel so good because you can get caught in the reactive mind a lot of detrimental trauma-based aggressive fearful whatever States but it's always being projected out of the field

so whatever we do on a regular basis begins to etch these patterns into our energy field certain energy centers become hyper activated some others become sedated not properly active and so we begin to individualize in a idiosyncratic way our own Energy System and our own consciousness and so we then become more and more individual beings as we go along and that's considered by higher Spiritual Beings

to be something very beautiful yeah I've heard it expressed before that you know for us the higher Spiritual Beings are our religion but the religion for the higher Spiritual Beings is the human race we're like we're like their children and so they love you see that but wow they love looking at us and seeing how is this person going to use their free will to become

a unique being in the universe a being that has equality that's different from any other being that exists because it's a part of them it's a part of them but it also is creating something new at the same time and so it's like this is like the opposite is this like in contrast to entropy this is sort of like is this like a balancing Force to

entropy it is it is no we look at only one side of this equation in modern physics so like we look at gravity and and we understand the Gravity Force but there's no discussion of the levity Force but levity is an opposite force that exists just as much as as gravity and and so if the higher Spiritual Beings if we're their religion it's this whole question

of if we truly become at the end of our process of incarnations a spirit of love and freedom then we have the capacity to be a unique being in the universe with unique capacities and the metaphor that I often use with this is that all snowflakes are crystallized water but every snowflake crystallizes in a completely unique pattern that is never duplicated so every human being is

becoming a unique being without many overlaps well you know everybody's got a different flavor to them you know if you really experience that internally different people have what it's called the Himalayas a different nectar they have a different vibrational quality right and so they become unique beings in the universe and then our interactions with them our energy field particularly in higher tantric work our energy field

connecting to their energy field makes something unique in that energetic blending because we're two separate fields to begin with and what comes out of that Union of the field is then another amazing thing so when we co-create with another person and whatever work we do with another person whether it's highly intimate or more external you know we can create these amazing unique things and there's a

mystery then about human relationships is this perhaps where because there's in some spiritual spaces people talk about how powerful it will be if even just one couple comes to two people come together in this unified way become one and and and the frequency and the pattern that that creates will be so very very powerful that even just one set of this can make a difference because

when you take I'm thinking about like how cymatics and how when a structure goes from one form to another a new more complicated form it kind of does it kind of gets messy and then re-establishes at a more complicated level but if you put two people together you're adding essentially two Fields together that inherently create a new higher dimensional more complicated form that creates a unique

new energetic structure uh and also there's a very important part of this that I want to bring out which is we've gone from a Unity state to a duality State and when you're in a duality State you always have a magnetic attraction to the opposite polarity you always have that magnetic attraction that's what that's what allows us to grow and develop and have some passion in

life you know keep looking for the stuff but there's an aspect of this whenever you bring two opposite polarities together there's a gating effect that happens when the two opposite polarities come together and connects to the one it creates a type of a spiritual gate so that's one of the secrets of what we would think today as like higher level Tantra two people joined their energy

Fields together when the two opposite polarities mixed together they can open up this higher dimensional gate and allow in energies forces of Vortex from higher worlds so this is something of great significance so for example in my uh Gaia series I talk about a very important energy practice of creating a toroidal circulation around the energy field now this already exists yeah but a lot of fundamental

practices are about becoming conscious of what already exists and now co-creating with it and making it stronger making it better fixing how we've screwed it up unconsciously and so we can do it from the Earth to the heavens circulation or the Heavens to the Earth but I brought out in the series that it's rarely spoken about that the highest level of this is to do both

simultaneously and when you have that Yin and the young circulations passing through each other they create a zero point which opens up a gate of energy really a hyperdimensional gate to another world does this take two people though because I I'm thinking about I'm actually second I'm thinking about sex magic and the things that I've learned about about taking the energy and you can push it

in a more masculine Direction up or a more feminine Direction down and so does it take two people creating the opposite toroidal fields that intersect or is this about you doing it yourself because that seems very hard well this it's actually both so it was understood in the classical tradition that there's solo cultivation the work we need to do on ourselves and we got to do

a certain amount of work on ourselves or we're not able to do higher level work with other people we're just too screwed up so it's really true so there's a certain amount of solo cultivation we can do and when we do things like in the energy field have the toroidal fields pass through each other then we can do that in our own field and we can

feel some of that that opening of that gate just through that in our own field yeah another very important part of our working on ourselves and then I'll get to the part about the Dual cultivation is that we tend to get stuck in the west today with healing and somehow healing has become this idea that it's almost like a goal in itself it's like the you

know we're just healing forever and that's true to a certain extent there's layers of the onion and we'll keep on healing as things go but I found out years ago if I put the word healing in the name of a class I offer I'll get three times as many people as if I don't and it's like people are somehow this conscious or subconscious idea that it's

like everything is all about just healing heal heal heal but and that's fine it's absolutely essential because if we don't heal we don't become whole because the root of the word heal in the ancient languages is the word whole we have to become whole again and the trauma that we suffer coming into physical Incarnation as an amnesiac as a completely helpless little infant and God knows

what kind of family and situations that you probably chose probably chose it but nonetheless it has an impact and we have to become whole again so we're not just like crazy reactive mind emotional suffering so healing is essential I'm not putting down healing but we lost the context of that healing is just the first stage so again this is in Solo cultivation healing is the first

stage where we have to become whole enough that our energy field and our Consciousness is coherent once we're coherent and basically to some degree have our together then we can actually do the real work and so we might refer to that next stage as activation activation is where we start to activate all of our latent potential all of our latent power all of the latent energy

centers in the body Each of which hold a particular Sitta they hold a particular power in our different energy centers of the body every chakra every acupuncture Point there's a power there which is why That's the basis of healing systems in India and China activate the power of that point all kind of things can happen so activation is the next stage Beyond just the healing then

activation itself is not enough because you can find people doing plant medicine and things and activating all kinds of stuff sure but but their lives are still in chaos because the next stage is to stabilize stabilization is the next stage so you have to heal enough to become coherent then you need to start activating your latent potential the powers of the Mind the power of the

energy field and then what you've activated has to be stabilized and then at that point you're getting something that will stay with you throughout your life throughout your incarnations past the gate of death as a permanent thing in your structure so let's put all that on the side of solo cultivation then like you were talking about with Sex Magic we have the Dual cultivation and that's

where higher level work can only be done with another person and so some aspects of this are reflected in spiritual teachings like in the Christian tradition where they say when two or more gather together in my name I am there with you type of thing you can't it can't be done the higher level Work Connection to these higher forces can't be done solo it has to

be done with another person now that is then bringing together the two opposite polarities whatever polarity you chose to Incarnate in whatever polarity the other person has and you bring those polarities together to open up the gating of that field and again the highest level of this is to get to the point that you're no longer conscious of your physical body at all you're conscious of

yourself as an energy field and the other person is an energy field both are specific qualities then the two common nests together into one and it becomes a state of complete Oneness this is the state of the highest Bliss with another person all the other things are building up to it all the basic stuff in a relationship and then the sexual stuff and you keep building

up becomes more energetic it becomes more spiritual and then when you get to the point that you unify into the one you've managed to open up a tremendous force that can greatly accelerate the process of development for both people and it generates a force out into the world that like you were talking about when two people do this work and generate this power it's like you

have one nodal point in a great grid of nodal points that's now lit up and becomes activated and helps to activate the other points in the grid now this is also a link to sacred geometry so like in the rosicrucian tradition they talk about the minimum number of people to form a group that would change the world would be 12 people it takes 12 different perspectives

on the same reality number isn't it yes it takes 12 different perspectives on the same reality to be able to understand all the possible aspects of it because you don't understand it from just one aspect then you're the Blind Men of the elephant you know you think the elephant is a wall or a spear or something you gotta have 12 different perspectives and know what the

thing really is that's why there's like 12 disciples around Christ and so that harmonic number of 12 is very significant that's why there's 12 signs of a zodiac 12 different perspectives on the Sun and so this then moves to the point that if you had 12 groups of 12 on the earth for the 144 that would really transform the Earth's energetic field so this is all

based again it doesn't seem that hard you wouldn't think it would be that does not seem that hard 12 groups of 12 that are able to so like let's talk about let's get like a little nuanced with that like what is that group of 12 achieving you say all the aspects like how can that happen so again the classical idea on this says that every person

would bring a different perspective into it naturally they already do though right like let's just naturally they already bring a unique perspective they do but on an archetypal level one would have more of the power and perspective of Aries one would have the power and perspective of Taurus those types of things and then you got the Unity coming together in a microcosm and that comes together

into a very powerful whole but the challenge of this is that if you ever worked in a spiritual organization before things tend to always get screwed up in spiritual organizations because of people's Petty ego conflicts and all this type of thing it's very hard to work in spiritual organizations because you have to deal with all these different personalities but again this is the archetype it certainly

would be possible it's often easier to start on the Dual cultivation finding that one other person to do this work with how does how does polyamory work I mean come on you can't even it's hard enough to make it work with one other person let alone a couple like well the whole thing I think with uh the polyamory movement that we have today is that it

does have a very important deconstruction aspect to it which is that in our culture today we have so many thought forums and programmings about we're going to have one other person that's going to perform every function we ever needed to have brought into our life everything to make us feel loved and whole and everything you want to experience they'll share all of that with us and

this becomes a huge burden we put on somebody else like this one other person supposed to fulfill all of my needs in life yeah yeah very unfair so it can it can be really rough and this also then leads to the whole thing where we start as I talked about in the episode in the Gaia series on sacred geometry relationship we start casting people into our

own psychodrama so like this person is going to get cast into the role of my the bad mommy this is the bad daddy this is all the things that I need to work on my conflict with and I'm not going to tell you about it but I'm going to project all this on top of you so I think this idea of polyamory is is something that

actually is part of a spiritual progression if it's done in an ethical and healthy way of being able to get out of the grasping of someone to you must perform this role for me to leaving them free but finding a way to unite so is it a transient phase for humans to move closer to love and freedom or uh path like actually a landing place for

love and freedom is it a part is it on the path to love and freedom so that you can be able to do that with one person or is that actually what where you end up when you get to love and freedom I don't know if I have a completely solid answer to it but it's one of those things where in the end we're gonna have

to explore all kinds of different things to get to the final result we have to be able to extend our flexibility in all kinds of directions in life you know this is the heretical aspect of the Prodigal Son teaching from the Christian tradition that most mainstream Christians completely ignore because it's simply too heretical and too dangerous to say that the you know the Sun that went

and experienced all kinds of crazy stuff in life is more esteemed by the father than the one that stayed behind exactly and got all the and got the and got the big big big big party when he came home that's right not the best coward calf or whatever it was and you know slaughtered that one and so so no doubt at the end we're going to

have to experience all these different things to get the maximum flexibility I mean some people may disagree with me but this is all just my perspective and so the we're going to have to have that experience of focusing on just one person and seeing how far we can take that at some point in our incarnations but also this aspect about being able to be free and

explore where we feel connections with multiple people in a way that is not constrained by all of these societal conditionings I think is a part of the natural growth of humanity right now that's extremely healthy because when you see the amount of suffering that people have based on these ideas you have to stay with one person forever they're going to fulfill all of your needs and

even though you've been absolutely miserable and are just waiting for death after being together for 30 years you've still got to stick together I'm not sure that that actually leads to a better outcome the I just got done I interviewed David Buss today who's an evolutionary psychologist and he said they he was just explaining the exact same thing where you know say you are in a

monogamous relationship for a very very long time most of those people are really happy yes yes so common so common and again when a person is at a particular state of solo cultivation and can find people that they're a match with I mean that's that's magic and that's another thing I think is very important because it's so easy particularly when relationships fail it's so painful when

intimate relationships fail it's very easy to fall into this type of country music story about oh she done me wrong and my person that loves me is my dog and it becomes like this type of very lower Consciousness thing about I'm the hero I was in the right they were in the wrong they're the villain but yeah and you know there are abusive relationships where that

could be the case but most of the time it says it comes down to the very simple fact that it wasn't a match and people match on different levels people may match more toward a physical or energetic level more sexual level they may match more emotionally or mentally or spiritually and hopefully they may match on all kinds of different levels that would be be awesome for

a little while until you change and then they don't match anymore exactly the only constant is change and you know one of the worst things they ever say to somebody in a relationship is you changed and like that's not permitted you have to stay who you were before and all of the pledges you made when you were a different person you now have to to stick

with even though you're a completely different person now we can't freeze a person in place so I think it's really healthy to get out of the who's right who's wrong and the relationship breakups and just recognize it's not a match anymore and then it becomes something really clean it's like do you match with this person if so explore it on whatever level it's a match if

you're not a match with the person admit it and save your both of you the suffering and and move on in whatever Direction you need to go relationships and matching and being triggered and growing and the old saying we don't see things as they are we see things as we are all right yeah I'll explain that explain that expression and how true that how that can

be explained from a geometrical pattern sense because everything splits into polarity from Unity this also happens with developing our Consciousness and there's two aspects then there's a essential polarity to develop our consciousness and so whether we see things as they actually are or just see them as our projections is related to our needing to develop two types of meditative practices the first type is the type

that was primarily developed in the East and that is receptive meditation receptive meditation is things like Zen or vipassana or Transcendental Meditation you're not generating any thought forms in fact you're holding your mind completely clear the mind becomes a clear mirror and they say in Zend for example that you're developing the ability to have a direct view of reality without any filters at an objective one

often likened to like a clear sky or to the surface of pure water as a pure mirror and we learn how to not project our own content onto people or situations and just see it in its reality so receptive meditation is absolutely essential and it's what's really been focused on more in the East and the west then the other side of it equally important but completely

different complementary polarity is the act of meditation active meditation is things like what we think of today as creative visualization it's really the ability to create a thought form now this can be a magical power the thought forms that we create can change the reality in our own lives they certainly change the reality inside of us they can start to change the reality outside of us

too if we create a coherent enough thought form it all gets projected out every thought every emotion we ever have gets projected out of our field out into the world it happens automatically for all energetic beings the power of this is now you can begin to take action through the crafting of thought forms and of course you have to take action to manifest it in the

world but the thought form is the beginning of the process it has a power of its own as well isn't that it's that's in and of itself is an action it is it is but then we also can take action with our feeling life and our ability to take action with the physical body out in the world to manifest anything we ever dreamed of and so

the thing is that we have to have both aspects of this and the thing is that almost all Traditions today will only teach one or the other and if the other side of it even comes up they'll tend to ridicule the other side the people that do the Creative visualizations just kind of mock the the clear mind State stuff is oh you know they're not achieving

anything they're not doing anything it doesn't have a purpose and the people in the clear mind States say look at those people doing all the the platform generation work they're not even able to see what's right in front of their face and they're both right so this is again the fractal another another another example of Duality it's another example of Duality and you can't just pick

one Duality and say that's good and the other is bad it's always the union of the two dualities to get back to the one or what the Tibetans would call the middle path the middle way right that that creates the miracle when the two come together and so that would be my my main geometric answer to this is you have to develop both types of receptive

and active meditation and just like breathing in and breathing out or stepping with the left foot and the right foot that's how you get somewhere one of the things that for me has been a big big shift in my experience in this life of of My reality going through it each day is becoming the Observer it's really like not taking things personally not projecting and I'm

not saying not at all I'm just saying less I should say um because I'm Still Human but to be able to really see from an observer perspective the dynamic that's really existing and how you know if somebody is irritated with you because you know your dog's off of a leash well instead of reacting and being I got it like seriously like I have an electric collar

on them I trust me I've said this I'm like if I put this collar on you you'd listen to maybe I've said that before but to know like to have enough perspective and wisdom and observer perspective now to go wow I am either they've been hurt before in this scenario so they're protecting themselves or they would never never go against the rules of the road and

they would always have their dog on a leash because they're a rule follower so now I've triggered them because they would never do what I'm doing and so they believe that I should live the same way and so like I see so how can I progress that Observer more objective perspective in life and and how can how can one kind of get get on that path

because I've felt for myself it's been really valuable for just staying calm in so many more situations and not not creating drama I think that is so incredibly important for us not to generate conflict and so part of it again is the receptive meditation to get to where we hold a clear mind State because even if people are very annoyed with you and acting aggressively it

changes the energetic situation if you're completely calmed balanced not reactive but then it needs to go to another level and this is what is one of the teachings from the Holy Grail tradition of Europe very misunderstood today often very misinterpreted as a as a bloodline type of thing but the real Holy Grail tradition had to do a certain types of Spiritual Development to get to a

higher level regardless of any Bloodlines and one part of this is what they call the speech of the Grail so there were Knights of the sword who cut with the sword and you can in your relationships cut people with your comments and your actions and try to dominate them and be right and make them wrong and enforce your perspective on top of those be a might

of the sword or you can be a knight of the word and the night of the word is the more advanced level in The Grail tradition and that's where you develop the speech of the Grail it's a dynamic ability to think on your feet and to find a way to communicate to other people in a way that heals and enlightens them that any any case of

conflict that we have with another person if we can keep the clear mind State and then use the speech of the grill so that we don't cast them in the in a role of some inferior being while we're the superior being but we're two human beings going through our experience and we keep an open heart and an open connection with them and speak to them in

a way that clearly reflects our perspective while also respecting and honoring them in a way that hopefully brings light rather than heat to the situation that's another major part of it and again there's a lot of this is based on the development of the heart can we find a way to keep our heart open and communicating to another person without caricaturing them in a particular conflict

situation in a way that respects of even if what they're doing is absolutely absurd and destructive but it's like the concept of Namaste from India Namaste meaning that the Divine in me sees and respects the Divine in you that we're actually any time that we Direct Energy to the Divine plain we activate that energy so there's ways to do that like in biogeometry and in in

energy work to connect to those points and activate them but in this case what we are talking about is whenever you're with another person and you are actively seeing their Divine core their Divine self no matter how screwed up they are and how badly they're acting out which is essentially seeing the best in them right is that is that a way to like sort of bring

that to a tangible sort of way way of thinking it is seeing the best in them but it does literally become seeing the Divine Light in them as a very literal act seeing the Divine Light and core and knowing that they come come from the same one that we came from as an absolute internal knowing not like an abstract idea but like feeling it in the

heart and it's like the way that the Buddhists get over uh conflict like they have ways to solve anger and so they talk about one of the first things we have to do to overcome being angry with another person is to ask ourselves how they suffer and once you start seeing how the person's actions are coming out of their suffering no matter how badly they're being

destructive it's easier to work with it is it easy to say always for that it's always coming from their pain their their challenges their suffering yes because for some people the best defense is a good offense yeah are these what would be like bio signatures in someone or what are bio signatures okay so now we're we'll move into the ideas of Egyptian uh biogeometry and so

the knowledge of what was done in the ancient Egyptian temples was basically lost and they have a saying in Egypt that our Mysteries were never betrayed meaning that what was secret in the temple stayed secret in the temple fair enough we'll remember absolutely that's what we're doing right now is we're remembering this now it's a very interesting thing just on the road to answering your question

that you know for myself and for many other people who begin to remember past lives one of the first past lives they remember is Egyptian now I find that fascinating because we've had other past lives more recently why don't we remember those first there's something about the Egyptian incarnations that are so significant to us would the energetic frequency that we lived in that life be so

loud as maybe the like of just a slang word but so such a high frequency such a standout frequency that we're picking up at that energetic signature in our past first because it's like the most complicated the most Progressive could it be that I do think that's one part of it many of the images you see in classical religions are sacred geometry forms that have a

deeper meaning or teaching behind them but only the initiates are taught the deeper meaning the average person only understands a surface level example the original Jewish menorah from the Jewish kabbalistic tradition so there's seven candlesticks the first one is connected in a great Arc to the seventh one the second in a great Arc to the sixth the third in a great Arc to the fifth and

the fourth one stands alone now the Jewish capitalistic tradition has a very deep understanding of Time and Time cycle and so what this embeds is that certain periods of time are divided into seven stages like a seven stage alchemical process and time cutting to the chase you're all going into all the details in the time since the Atlantean catastrophe and the Western tradition misunderstood for example

with the European resecrutions that the third post-atlancian Epoch was the Egyptian eat puck and the one we're at now is the fifth Epoch the European Epoch where the Europeans became the dominant people that's what we're in now that's right and so there's a connection between the third and the fifth because it's like the fourth is the dividing point it's like a mirror image so the third

and the fifth are mirrors of each other second and the sixth first and the seventh without going into all the other details of it this means that we're in a part of a Time cycle right now where if you understand the greater structure of the time cycle is we're having a certain type of reflection going the opposite direction of what we had in ancient Egypt and

so we have a natural fascination with our time in ancient Egypt and if you turn on you know some documentary channel on TV the vast majority of documentaries about ancient cultures are all about Egypt there's very very few about ancient Persia and other cultures are all about Egypt but that's because that's being reawakened in us the knowledge we had then but now in a later stage

of evolution so there's all of this hidden sacred geometry patterns of time as well as in space so that's my answer to the whole thing about you know why is the Egyptian so important now let's go into them more I I like to I want to I want to understand this better so since you're the this year they're such the perfect person for this because you

you look at things in the way that it feels tangible for me which is through patterns and energy and it's tangible thing while we can't see it I can feel it I know it I believe it I be I know it um so how is it that we're connecting to these different time space react time space realities the third and the fifth the first and the

seventh these things how explain that from a geometric standpoint from a pattern standpoint so when you have a cycle of seven there's a natural relationship where the very first stage gets reflected in the in the last stage it's a it's a polarity relationship everything's polarities right yep sure so you're coming in and you're going out they talk about that with dimensions a lot where yes um

like the the last come next back to the first again that's always the case okay as it's like the oroboros eating its tail sort of thing so you've got the the first of the seventh are connected again and the menorah's got a great Arc showing you they're connected and so the first person Epoch was the Indian Epoch with the time of the oldest book in the

world the laws of Manu and the creation of the great civilization of the Indus Valley and The Vedic culture second was the Persian zoroastrian tradition the third was the Egyptian the fourth was the Greco-Roman and the fifth is the current European and then there's more to come with the sixth and the seventh on the way and so it's always the case then that the fourth just

as shown in the menorah as the dividing line in the center is the place that the whole process inverts what was coming in is now going out and so there's a a development the opposite direction in those later stages so all of us in that have these recollections of ourselves in ancient Egypt there's a part of that that's being activated right now now once we get

into if we're incarnating let's say in the sixth post-atlantean Epoch we may be much more focused on our ancient Persian incarnations that's something that will be called up inside of us there's a great idea in what's called uh Vedic astrology or jyotish in India which which is uh that is there are certain moments in time where your Karma's will ripen your karmas will be activated they

have a whole science of this in in India of the Dasha periods it doesn't exist in Western astrology at all but in the Indian system you can get your dashes read and you'll know what karma is going to ripen at what moment of your life certain experiences will happen then same thing for us with our whole Incarnation right now there's a certain karma that's ripening from

ancient Egypt having to do with the abilities we gain there remembering regaining those abilities bringing them to bear in our lives right now and bringing them to prayer on the earth to help the Earth as a whole right now so that's that's the basic idea that so do we continue to add these memories so let's say we move from the fifth we pick up all of

the information in the third by the time we complete the fifth we reintegrate it we've reintegrated the third with the fifth then we go to the sixth we've kept that information and now we go into the sixth and we pick up the fourth is that right the the sixth and the second six in the second so now we pick the we pick up the second and

so we continue to pick it up until we arrive at the end of these time cycles and then and then I said that's right I have this like I'm so un incapable because I don't understand it well enough I can't explain it simply but maybe this will strike something in you but I think about reality in the sense of fractals a lot yes then when I

put into that when I add in quantum entanglement which is just so hard to understand and comprehend because it's so beyond our scope of imagination of what's really possible then I start to think about black holes and I start to think about like time looping like reality like time and space looping and so is there anything within the fabric of reality with geometry or anything like

that that would create looping because like quantum entanglement to think two two particles acting instantaneously in the equal and opposite way is just such a hard thing to understand so there must be something that closes the gap between what we would look at between point a and point B and there must be sitting on top of each other in some way that's right it's the whole

idea of the unified field is that those two particles that are affecting each other uh are part they're connected through a much larger Matrix and again this is why in my sacred geometry series on Gaia the very first episode was about the net the Matrix of creation that everything is a part of so we have an aspect of this where everything is integrally linked in a

larger energetic and spiritual system that modern science has no concept of they only look at the broken fragments that appear into physical reality they look at the collapse of the wave function where the energetic waves have become a physical object but they no longer understand the larger Matrix that the waves are in including at the higher Consciousness levels before a wave that created the physical world

even came to into existence so understanding it from the classical traditions of multiple planes of existence all of which we participate in we all have those within ourselves and can experience all of them as a way to understand this and fractals is a modern concept that really helps us to understand how the same pattern at a higher level of scale the same pattern at a higher

uh plane level manifest here on this plane with the same pattern but reduced in scale I'll give you a particular example of an idea of fractal reality from 2000 years ago in Alexandria Egypt in the early Christian centuries when they were trying to understand what is the nature of the Christ being in early Christianity one of the great now called a Church Father origin living in

Alexandria Egypt with an incredible book called on first principles and in it he says the only way you can understand what the Christ being is we're not talking about the master Jesus as a human being we're talking about this larger cosmological being the solar logos the Christ being says the way to understand what this being is is that the godhead is so vast the godhead is

everything it's so vast that you don't get a a a view of what that being is because it's everything everywhere he says what the Christ being is is a macrocosmic being that has all the qualities of the godhead but reduced in scale to the macrocosmic level to where we can actually perceive and interact with this being and in humanity also has the qualities of the godhead

but we're reduced to the microcosmic level we're another level reduced but it's the exact same fractal pattern and so we are microcosmic beings with all the potentials of the godhead Laden inside of us most of which have been neutralized because people are so screwed up today if you actually have these higher Powers you'd create incredible destruction all around you but this idea that it's a fractal

movement from one level to another is an ancient concept but today we can express it in geometry and math and and get it as a visual hit that's why I like describing the idea about how the seven time periods in a cycle work together by giving the geometric form and that's why they thought in ancient Judaism too which is why they gave the image of the

menorah they didn't explain to the average person what it meant that was for the initiative to understand that's the structure of time Cycles is there something to be said about these geometric structures even being in Egypt they said that the you know the um you know the Ram or any of the heads of the Lions of the of the animals were were actually geometrically activating something

within you when you looked at it is there something happening by just observing these structures these patterns these um these actual physical things sitting in front of us that will activate something within us absolutely so for this let me go to the work of biogeometry and my friend and teacher in Egypt Dr Abraham Karim and he's got some amazing work on this within the the biogeometry

work so what aspect of this is that he talks about the way that in ancient Egypt they knew an incredible secret and that secret was the design code behind everything in creation the design code that allows you to crystallize physical forums into a physical world from higher energetic States and that this became expressed through things like the hieroglyphic text and through some of the Expressions that

they had with design in ancient Egypt and so there are certain energy emanations coming from certain hieroglyphs that if you test it with energetic methods like vibrational radiusthesia where you can detect subtle energy waves coming off of things some of these hieroglyphs have very powerful energetic waves coming out from them because of the shape information oh wow like the in the ends into the wall of

it and create energetic structure it creates an energetic effect so like you're saying if you look at it doesn't have an effect on you and the answer is yes so they found ways to work with shape information to be able to bring forward all types of energy states so in biogeometry to explain how we get the effects we get with the work one of the the

concepts that we use developed by Dr Kareem is that energy into shape creates function so energy is a proteus it could take any form but how do we program the energy to do a specific thing we have that energy move in a specific pattern so the energy movement pattern programs the energy to take the action now that's why your heart has a specific geometric shape that's

completely different from the shape of the liver that's different from the shape of the spleen Because the actual shape is related to the function oh and so that's what biosignatures are you mentioned earlier biosignatures from just cycling back to that so so what matters yeah it absolutely matters it's like it's like Forum follows function right so energy into shape creates function so the shape of everything

matters and any two things with a similar shape can exchange energy and information now that's the idea that we have today in electromagnetic Theory we have to have a specifically shaped antenna to pick up a specific electromagnetic signal if it doesn't have the right shape it can't pick up the signal but that's true energetically with all living beings all right so heart connection like a heart

to heart coherence exactly exactly because it's a heart so a heart can connect with a heart and so what Dr Kareem did I'm jumping forward a few levels here to explain biosignitions is that he looked at it's not just the outer shape although the outer shape is very important the boundary of anything contains embedded information the shape of a human body is important typical organ is

important but what he then looked at is that that shape of the heart that shape of the liver that shape of the kidney it actually then becomes a container that has energy circulations inside of it and not just one energy circulation there may be nine or ten or a dozen different energy circulations inside the heart every energy circulation inside the heart is creating a different Consciousness

energy physiological function there may be one related to the heart beating there may be one to the heart doing filtration of the blood there may be another one or whatever the physiological functions are but also related to energy and Consciousness that's why in some Sufi Traditions they'll have you focus on a specific point in the physical heart because it's what connects the beat of the physical

heart to a higher Cosmic origin that is what it's entrained to and so with the biosignatures he then began to use radiusthesia which is the ability to detect and Trace out energy movements of subtle energy he then was able to trace out the way energy moves in the human heart in a whole variety of different ways it was originally a three-dimensional energy movement pattern that he

then flattened and simplified into a two-dimensional image to become a bio signature but that that says this two-dimensional representation of a three-dimensional energy flow in a particular part of the human physical body or energy field that's linked to a specific function so in the biogeometry trainings when we teach people the biosignatures we show them how they work energetically in the body and how you would test

a person for which ones they need because what happens is those energy circulations in the body can become impaired they've become impaired through trauma they become impaired through physical illness they become impaired through toxin build up any number of things when that energy circulation of the organ becomes impaired then the function begins to degrade so what you're doing when you provide a biosignature to a person

is you're creating a resonance effect reminding the body of the correct energy circulation and then restoring the function to it now we don't make any medical claims for it but that's the idea so like what Reiki what they do in Reiki by being able to go into the energy body and look at where the energy is I'm very curious about the somatic work has become more

and more popular right now where you're using sort of your breath and you know your own you're using your essentially a lot of your breath and moving your body to find and move stuck energy so can you explain what stuck energy is yes so for example if you were to go to a Dallas Chi Kong healer from China and you had a lung problem they may

have you make the same movement a thousand times a day because this is a movement of your body following the the etheric energy flow that's actually going to restore the right circulation to the body and that's what a lot of this Qigong type things are oh my God yeah you're moving the field right you're like moving the energy exactly and then oh my God so the

mistake that that they make teaching it in the west is they try to teach it to you like a dance yes and then this is hard to remember it because it's like let's go here next to it but you're focused on the physical body part instead if you had the person focus on the energy movement and just let your body be moved by the energy movement

then it has a completely different impact and it makes a whole lot more sense so like one of the basic movements in XI Kong is like you let your hands like moving through water and so if you just say Okay move your hands like this the energetic effect is limited but if you tell a person feel a rising current of energy coming up from the ground

that is lifting your hands up and your hands and arms are completely relaxed being pushed upward by the column of energy that's what's really happening and so that's that's the concept behind it it's the energy flow moving the body it was the original concept then it became a more focused on the physical movement but still has an energetic impact but it's not as powerful as feeling

the energy move the body so what is the benefit when you say like they might have you if you have some something energetically that needs to be moved they might tell you to do like a certain motion to align and coordinate that energy in a more coherent balanced slow flowing way so if you're just letting your body move like I mean I think about like there

are you know people that do incredible work with getting people to move their bodies and you know they're very they do more intuitive kind of interpreted interpretative dance and you know that is so uncomfortable for a lot of people I mean me as one like I mean I'll do it but it's like you know I also I'm I'm really good I like to execute so like

it's like what's the move again um but to just kind of move like freely without anything so what are you actually doing if you're if you're if you're following the energy instead of leading the energy with a certain movement that makes it all more coherent well there could actually be either you could be following a particular energy movement that's present and letting your body move with

it or it could be that you are almost magnetically creating the energy movement with the movement of the body the movement of the hands Etc that's when you then get to all of these energy healing systems like chronic healing or things of this kind where you learn how to project energy out of the hands but again it's the energy movement that's doing the work the body's

just following along but it's the movement of energy that's creating the effect so for example in Chinese medicine they describe that the vast majority of the psychological and physical illnesses we have are simply due to blockages in the body of energy because if the energy is moving properly in all of its places all circulating then I hope it's automatic but as soon as there's any blockage

to the movement of the energy then stagnation comes in they talk about a whole series of different stagnations blood stagnations food stagnation limp stagnation there's a variety of stagnations you can have in your body that then lead to these problems and that can happen either through external trauma like physical impacts or illnesses coming in or it can be internal trauma like our our doing what Wilhelm

Wright called armoring when we have traumatic events the part of us that doesn't want to feel or remember that traumatic event we hold it really tight we don't remember it will hold the temples really tight or we'll have ocular armoring and hold the eyes really tight or if we don't want to say anything about it we'll hold the jaw really tight or the throat is constricted

and if we don't want to feel around the heart then we have shallow breathing and reconstrict the chest or things like this that's really fundamental work that Wilhelm Reich did to start the modern mind-body therapy movement like a hundred years ago so the whole thing here is that we're then suppressing the movement of energy because we're trying to suppress the feeling of the trauma and some

degrees that's a coping mechanism because we might be in a situation that we're not able to cope with it right now yeah now when you are able to cope with it you need to let it move you need to let it out so by letting your body lead the way you're starting to liberate that energy and so when you're doing things like authentic movements and spontaneous

movement part of it is loosening up all the myofascial adhesions and stuff that most of us have because we're just too rigid all the time and that feels fantastic but it can also be in deeper levels of that work and we've already got the physical body a little more flowing then we can really allow ourselves to unify with larger energetic flows in an environment or that

creates certain functions so like many of the different chi-com sets that you have from China they create different energetic functions in the energy body and they they again they're part of the activation process like we talked about before that we had healing then we have activation then we have stabilization the actual then movement of the energy activates something or in the case of biosignatures it restores

the correct energy movement inside the system of the body using the correct energy pattern of that flow so what is disease then well disease that becomes another larger topic there's actually a section on that in the Advanced Training of biogeometry but in dealing with it in a very short frame one aspect of this is that we have lost the correct energy circulation that created the function

of that part of the body to begin with and at a deeper metaphysical level it means that we've lost a resonance between the health-giving source at a higher level of what comes into the body we're no longer connected to it or no longer resonating with it we got to reconnect with it it's like stop it's dormant and so that's why this healing is very important but

again it's to become whole again the energy circulations are back we're reconnected to those larger metaphysical levels well I mean why is cardiac disease one of the biggest killers in the west today Broken Hearts exactly everybody's got a broken heart everybody's got an armored heart but they hold rigid and they I do a lot of I've done a lot of body work with people in a

way that's like energetic body work this was a natural thing for me and and so what you find when you're palpating around both the person's front Heart Center and their back Heart Center where the more subconscious stuff is is the amount of rigidity people have there is incredible now let me just throw in something here that might be of interest so in the Chinese tradition they

understand that there's three major Elixir fields in the body three major alchemical fields in the body and so one is in the head they call it the upper Elixir field or the upper Don Tien and that's where we work on our Consciousness then there is the middle Elixir field that's around our heart and our lungs and that's related to our feeling function okay and rhythmic processes

in life and then at the lower abdomen is the lower dantian now the only safe place to store energy like Dynamic Life Energy in the body out of these three is the lower dantean it's not safe to store it in the head it's not safe to store it in the heart that'll create migraines that'll create heart palpitations the only place to store the really powerful energy

in the body is the lower abdomen and that's like a battery in the body that's where we had the navel right everything we took in from the mother came in through the navel and so the lower abdomen all the metabolic processes there all the Sexual Energy generation that's all lower abdomen Style so one thing that you'll find just like you find the armoring around the heart

is something that's really impactful for a lot of people I've done a lot of work with women on this is in the lower abdomen you'll find that for a lot of women to protect themselves from too much aggressive energy particularly for men coming toward them sexually or other grasping things toward them they armor the lower abdomen to a degree that they're not even aware of they

don't know how armored and rigid they're holding the lower abdomen because it's such an intrinsic state it may have happened in childhood or it may have happened around puberty when they started to get attention but it's like something that holds back the dynamic pulsation of the life force in the abdomen it can be true for men and women but it's particularly significant for women well it's

you can simply feel it you can put your hands on the abdomen and feel the rigidity okay that's there now what a lot of women do subconsciously to avoid that area of being stimulated is that if you start to touch them in the lower abdomen they'll say stop it tickles but the tickle response is defensive mechanism and if you start to actually loosen up all of

the the fascial tissue and things in the lower abdomen it has incredibly powerful effects for the whole Energy System and the psychology and for women this is one of the most important things they can do is open up the lower abdominal energy soften it allow it to pulsate again and then the amount of dynamic energy generation in the female body is incredible What's um what's a

practice because maybe not everyone can do this I'm not saying I'm the best but I can definitely Energy's my field of information like that's how I that's how I sense things I sense coherence and frequency with someone I have three EMF reducers in my house I took the Wi-Fi out of my bedroom like that's just something I'm sensitive to yeah so if we were able to

energetically sort of tap into each chakra what is and we can feel whether or not it feels tight or whatever information we're getting how can we approach and maybe I'm not even directing it towards the right places but are you talking about the lower abdomen and I start thinking about sacral solar plexus all of the chakras so and some people are very blocked in their throat

chakra so what if we went through them is there something that we can do to um loosen it to get it to the flow so before I was talking about the lower abdomen a lot of this is like myofascial release a lot of this is is like actual physical opening up the the ability of the flesh the muscle to be soft and mobile and pulsating again

right but behind that again at the next energy layer behind that then you've got the chakras the meridians things like that so what I would mention just very briefly as one of the most important of all exercises because it allows you not only to open up the energy in the center it also allows you to become aware of the actual spiritual power that's held in any

location in the body any chakra in the acupuncture point is the Basic Energy movement that I teach very briefly in the uh Gaia series and I teach in more detail in other courses which is what I refer to as zero point centering and Radiance so if you think of a spear and the spear is losing air and is collapsing into its own Center becomes a point

and it just the point gets smaller and smaller it's going into the center of the center of the center constantly shrieking this is related to the movement of the planes as well this is explained very well in Egyptian biogeometry but the basic idea is that normally when we are needing to understand the world around us and navigate safely in a physical world all of our attention

from our senses is going outward it's going outward in a sphere of information around the body to make sure I'm not hit by a truck or whatever it is but if you're going to become aware of things in the inner landscape aware of the spiritual reality the energetic reality instead of the awareness going outward it needs to go inward so for example you could put your

attention at the Arjuna Center which is between the eyebrows slightly inside the skull this is a particular system I learned from Samuel Sagan at the Clear Vision School in Australia but it's really a universal pattern that is understood by many traditions because it's based on a sacred geometry archetype and that is you put your attention in any energy center of the body we'll just say ajna

as an example okay but it could be the lower abdomen it could be the sacral Center sofixes whatever you put your attention there and you go inside as you move from the physical plane awareness you then move into the awareness of the vibrational state of what we might call the etheric or the chi or Ki or Prana that's the next level beyond the physical the dynamic

life force and then your awareness body as well the the Egyptians exactly they talk about the car body the and the energetic field around you that's exactly the car body exactly and so all the Traditions had a name for it yeah and so as you move into it you are shifting your awareness of it to to modality where the etheric Shiki pranaka is experienced as vibration

or tingling or density or pressure or hot and cold these are all Sensations inside the energy body right and so when you feel that again could be at any energy center you then move all of your energy and attention into the center of the center of the center of the center of what you feel and as you do that you're actually moving through the planes now

again this is best described in Egyptian biogeometry which talks about how the planes are assembled outside of our body in a series of layers but also inside of our body in a series of layers so as you're going into the interior you go from the physical awareness outward to now going in at the vibrational you feel the vibrational you go into the center of the center

of center of whatever you feel because you don't want to have it be an abstract thought form out here you want to feel it in your body that's the only way it's going to work and then when you go deeper into it you then get to the astral layer that's the first level of Consciousness now rather than feeling the vibration density pressure you become aware of

light and color that becomes the the modality of the astral plane and then you keep going into the center of the center of the center and what will happen is you go through all the planes until you reach the absolute Center which is the Divine plane Divine plane is in the absolute Center of everything and so as you've moved all the energy and tension into the

center of the center of the center of this place in your energy body when you touch the Divine plane it activates it when you've moved into the absolute center with your energy and attention it's like when you Namaste recognize the Divine in the other person and in your seeing the Divine in the other person you're actually activating it and so when you move your attention tangibly

into the center of the center it builds up energy you touch the Divine Center what happens then is it activates it and now the energy begins to flood outward and it becomes a illuminated sphere of light around the head so that's where you see all these pictures and classical Traditions about like an illuminated spear around the head of the initiates or they have a whole illuminated

energy field but they don't tell you how to activate it right right they just like I feel like in in history they would just say it's like a crown yeah but they're not telling you because they probably didn't know what the actual initiation practices were so this is one of the most important practices of creation everything came from the one from the they say in physics

is the singularity right the singularity is an infinitesimal point in space Zero Dimensional and then that expanded outward like in the Big Bang to create the space-time enclosure of this world that that we live in but the the cosmological movement is from that Center outward and then back from the expanse back into the center for like seven back around again to one all right yes the

cycle will always repeat but that's the whole thing this is love right we're getting back to the one freedom freedom love freedom so I do have like a question because of the you're such a your awareness for the energy and what's really happening so when I picture energy coming up my spine and into my head into the pineal gland I if I focus there it is

like it almost is like a headache it's like a it feels like incredible heat yes and what is happening so this is something very important uh in the 1960s and 70s we had a lot of Indian gurus coming to the United States and teaching people things like Kundalini meditations to blast the Kundalini up the spine to the top of the head but the problem with this

is that first of all the energy body isn't cleansed enough like they were doing the ashrams for decades then it can be what's called a diverted rising and the energy can go into a secondary Channel which doesn't have the ability to hold that level of voltage but the other problem with it is that raising the Kundalini all the way to the crown of the head would

be used by some other Traditions like the Tibetans and the Paul Wall practice as a method of conscious death or excarnation you shoot the pearl of your spiritual self out of the head and it's a conscious form of excarnation now because we're only given fragments of information the day we don't always know how all these practices fit together and so what can happen is that when

we get the spinal energy rising up when we get activations of centers in the head particularly the pineal pituitary like I said it's not safe to store the energy in the head it's not safe to store the energy in the chest it's only safe to store it in the lower abdomen that's just the way the body is designed the lower body the lower abdomen is the

battery it's the life force enclosure in the body this is for Consciousness this is for feeling the life force vibration that's for the lower abdomen but we're so neurotic about the lower abdomen and sexual stuff in our culture like I don't want to talk about that but that's where the energy needs to get stored and so in the 1980s I mentioned before that the deeper daoist

work uh for an inner Alchemy began to be released to the public for the first time been very secret before so one of the things that they did that helped a lot of people with this problem is they taught people the idea of the microcosmic orbit so the microcosmic orbit is that there is a channel of energy running up your spine that in Chinese medicine is

called the do Meridian or the gov burning vessel there's another channel that runs up the midline of the front of your body that's called the conception vessel or the ren Meridian and the two of these are meant to link together and then become a flow of energy now to do that you need to touch the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth because

this Meridian coming up here terminates at the tip of the tongue and the tongues also acts like an electrical conductor that's why in Sex and things that that the tongue is such a powerful stimulator it has an electrical charge to it so when you plug the tip of the tongue into the roof of the mouth it then connects to the energy coming up the spine coming

over the top of the head and then to the upper palate that's where that terminates in the upper palate of the mouth touching the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth now you're connecting the front and the back channels together and you let the energy then run down the front Channel until it begins to circulate up The Spine down the front now what

this does is it allows you to not build up the energy that is coming from the spine to the head it's meant to circulate if it gets jammed up up there it leads to what's called a Kundalini sickness where you have too much tension and pressure in the head yeah it's meant to be circulated so after you've circulated up The Spine down the front this is

just a very simple explanation of what can have other aspects to it is you then when you're finishing that practice is you start to make a Vortex movement at a level below the navel in the lower abdomen but an inch and a half below the navel in the center of the body okay and that's a place that when you make a Vortex movement there you can

pull all that energy in and store it in your internal battery where it's safe in the lower abdomen so it comes up your spine into the to the tongue now the tongue touches the roof of your mouth which connects to the front energy channel so then you send it back down into a Vortex that essentially charges your body with more energy that's right there's a type

of physiological energetic battery in the lower abdomen and this provides it can hold a lot of charge and then we do that so you actually circulate it this is a very quick explanation of a larger process but you've circulated multiple times up The Spine down the front so that the whole flow is happening but then if you want to end the practice by making sure the

energy is ending up somewhere beneficial to create the vortex to hold the energy in the lower abdomen so it doesn't build up in the head so it doesn't build up in the chest because we need to open up the pineal gland absolutely for higher Consciousness we need to open up the heart chakra absolutely for higher Consciousness but again that's not a place that we can store

the dynamic energy every one of these three Elixir fields has its own function and once we begin again see it in context when you understand the bigger context everything fits into place is this your explanation you're so extremely articulate and so intelligent that it's you know things just land so well because you understand it so well so thank you um okay let's try and wrap up

even though you know I could absolutely go on and on as you see my pure curiosity it's just I've abandoned all my like notes and stuff I'm this is just my pure curiosity carrying on with what your answers are what can people do to explore biogeometry at um an entry level or um at a at a level that we can start accessing and using so that

we can understand ourselves and and improve the energetic structure of of our bodies and how it all works and then also I'm curious where to go next with the rosicrucian order because I I know we didn't talk about it a lot but but I I find that very fascinating thing I find the the lessons within it that you've shared and that I've sort of touched in

other ways to be um really powerful so let's be clear most of what we talked about today is along the lines of what I teach in spiritual science or in vibrational science okay and I have a series of courses on my website bessica.org and obesica with a V at the beginning b-e-s-i-c-a like investment Pisces exactly it's where you get two opposite polarities and the two circles

they perfectly overlap creating an almond-shaped enclosure and again like we talked about before that's where the magic happened the two opposite polarities where they overlap becomes the portal in the center that's actually in the iconography of of The Institute with the vesica form so at vesica.org I have the spiritual science and the vibrational science courses related to most of what we talked about here I also

am very fortunate to be able to teach the biogeometry work developed by my friend Dr Ibraham Karim from Cairo Egypt and so we offered that the the other courses I offer are all online courses you just do them at your own time there's not a live component they're just there for your own study when you have the time to do it the spiritual science and the

vibrational science work spiritual sciences that work more focused on developing the Consciousness vibrational science more in developing the energy body okay and being able to work with energies in and around us okay then the biogeometry is Dr Kareem's work which is teaching Nature's Own design language which is how shape sound color motion number angle proportion can create specific energetics that we can use to balance our

homes our offices and at a higher level within our own Energy System and activate the Energy System as well as balancing with biosignatures and things like that so that's also listed on our website vesica.org and this class has a pre-recorded components and a live component where people will join us for three days on a weekend in a row three weekends in a row for one day

each weekend and there's uh four hours where we have practice reviews of things I've taught them in the class will give them a summary they'll send them off to coaches to work with to ask any questions they have Etc so all this is available through my website bessica.org as structured courses that can be taken and asked about the rosicrucians the Russo crucial work is primarily in

the spiritual science side I always tell people to start with essential teachings and practices of spiritual science because that gives you some of these fundamentals I talked about like the receptive and active meditation and things like that but I also have a course that's specifically about the rosicrucian work which is uh called the the true rosicrucian tradition and it's got multiple courses that go into a

lot of the deeper rosicrucian knowledge and that's a one of my favorite topics so I always love talking about that no okay I mean I hope that I didn't use too much of your time up for you to um say no when I ask you to do this again but I'd love to dive into that another time because I I find I find that work to

be it's very magical wonderful I would I would absolutely love to talk with you again specifically about the rules of trujian tradition because it's really in a sense a modern expression of the Egyptian and like a modern cultural context it has so much in it and uh I'd also love to talk to you sometime about the biogeometry because that's a huge Topic in itself and it

really makes it available to us what was previously very hidden knowledge and practices from the ancient Egyptian temple science but in a modern context where it's easier to understand and apply sure sure absolutely I I was totally on my list of questions was like what about a house and like play lines and energy grids and the the geometry and like shape of the house and like

should I have a friend who does crystal grids underneath houses and like there's so many places to go which is why I struggled so much with like where to go with all of my uh with with the interview today but it was so enlightening and so fascinating and hopefully it's got people uh it has people inspired and motivated to dive into more of your work and

go to your website and do the courses and I sure do and you know be ready for the next interview so thank you so much I really appreciate it thank you thanks everybody for listening to the pretty intense podcast today I hope you enjoyed it if you like what you heard today and you want to hear more please click on the Subscribe button