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foreign [Music] tense podcast you're gonna need to buckle your six point harness for this one because it was a very interesting conversation with Rich Cooper he is an author he wrote a book called The unplugged Alpha he also has a YouTube channel entrepreneurs in cars I see does like cars he also has a podcast the unplugged Alpha I've been watching his stuff on YouTube for a

he just believes what he believes and I think that's like a sign of anyone being Alpha as you just essentially like you have conviction you know who you are you know what you believe in I think intelligent Alphas are open-minded and able to change their mind with enough information so I'll let you decide if that's his personality or not that's where I come from I wanted

to do the interview thinking that I hope he changes my mind on some stuff because what it will mean is that I learned something so you'll have to listen all the way to the end to see if that happened enjoy the episode with Rich check out his podcast in his book please hit subscribe hit the bell for notifications oh boy let me know what you think

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for doing this by the way I'm really like this I think this is gonna be like a really fascinating conversation I love having these conversations with women to be honest with you really yeah I've done a few of them so um what's the what's uh what is it that you like it's just a different series of questions and Enlightenment that happens I think men wake up

a different way from women men and women are are different so guys usually they're like oh I think I understand now why I got those results that I got whereas women are sort of like huh that's interesting I didn't really think of it from that perspective so do you like the women's questions or do you like women's answers I like the dialogue I like the conversation

itself yeah do you like that it could get contentious or do you like that you could learn something new I love contention I know you're gonna say that that's why this will probably be an interesting conversation but I mean right off the bat like I am I feel like I'm a pretty rational person I'm not a feminist at all but I am eternally fascinated by by

Psychology by evolutionary psychology by men and women and the masculine feminine and just like all the crazy things that are going on in the world you know you said yes to this interview and the nature of the things that you talk about have to do with the Dynamics with strong women or various different other variables in that sort of Realm so I'm curious about it all

and like most selfishly how I fit in I was gonna ask you a question for you so what so what brought you to my content like why did you want to have me on for a a podcast in your in your podcast you say that every now and again I've heard you say it's probably mostly men listening and I'm sitting there and I'm laughing because I'm

like no like as a woman I'm curious to know how men really think and what men really want because I feel like in life like at least in my position it feels like every man says they want like a strong Confident Woman until they get one and then it's maybe not the same reality and this and it's and it's challenging right um and not because I

think that I or a woman is challenging a man but because it's triggering because it isn't easy it isn't you aren't you aren't just the automatic dominant and um and I don't really look at it like someone has to be but an ego gets threatened this will be a fun talk [Laughter] so what experiences LED you to the the conversations you have the work that you

do was there one experience was it a series of it is it a lifetime that's a great question so there's probably three things that led me to where I arrived at and what I talk about on my YouTube channel and the stuff that I put in my book and my podcast and all that and um I subscribe to a sequence of what I've identified as comforting

lies um like I built the safe world theory around if you just do the right thing like I was an entrepreneur for 20 years I ran Canada's uh largest most successful debt settlement company uh multiple awards for hyper growth for culture for employee happiness all that sort of stuff and we were saving people a whole ton of money getting out of credit card debt and um

there was credit card companies and financial institutions that started lobbying the government to change the legislation and I thought huh that was interesting because we're doing the right thing we're saving people loads of money we're getting them out of credit card debt they get to avoid bankruptcy and here the banks of financial institutions are trying to change the laws to stop that and that was like

one of the first things that sort of started to unplug me from life's comforting lies there was also the divorce as well because most men don't really get what they expect you think okay well we'll just untie them out we'll go a separate ways and that'll be fine but that expectation isn't met in reality and I guess the third thing was after I went through the

lobbying effort tried to deal with the government the financial institutions and the divorce and I saw what family law was like I got involved in another long-term relationship after that with a simple mom and safe world theory again collapsed a bunch of comforting lies you know you ego invest into her and her kids and try to do the right thing and you know Step Up sort

of stand-up sort of guy and you get betrayed and lie to and all that sort of stuff so that's what sort of led me down this Rabbit Hole of oh let me see if I can get my head wrapped around why I keep letting myself down like why I'm keep like why I keep getting disappointed around business entrepreneurship women life in general and it's like it's

not them like I'm not pointing and sputtering at the world anymore blaming anybody it's it's me trying to trying to take ownership for it and that's what like pushed me down this Rabbit Hole of the red pill the manosphere uh I now call it the man of swamp um evolutionary psychology all this sort of stuff so it's been an interesting journaling which has you know sort

of gotten me to where I'm at today mm-hmm explain right off the top just sort of like red red pill blue pill black pill what that is oh my gosh you know how many pills are right now everybody has an ego investment and a certain belief that they then label as a pill and when you take that pill then that is a representation of what your

ego Investments are so the basis are red pill blue pill and that comes from the movie The Matrix where uh what Neo offers morphus you know the blue pill the red pill blue pill you plug back into the Matrix and fall back asleep through life you know sort of thing red pill you unplug and you go down the rabbit hole and see how far you really

go so that's where the notion of the red pill really comes from then you get these guys that are like black pilled purple pilled orange pilled white pilled and it's like to me it's reality and lives so you know you can color your pill whatever you want there's just reality and there's lies so that's red and blue basically yeah what was your first like red pill

moment um I'm gonna say it probably started with a divorce when you know you're you married the wrong person okay this isn't gonna work out I don't want to spend the rest of my life trying to fix something that's not fixable let's just untie this knot and call it a day um it's not as easy as that and I think the first red pilling moment was

when I got on the phone with my family lawyer and he did the prenup for me too and I got on the phone with him you know a few years later and I said look you know I think this is going to work out we need to get out of this uh you know how do we get the ball rolling sort of thing and he it

was a half an hour conversation I'm driving my car and I was in a position where I was just like are you serious like this this is how things go in family law I thought you just got divorced I didn't realize that you've got issues to deal with like false domestic violence charges you're probably not going to see your kid if you're a father you don't

want to go to court you're going to lose you know all of these things that sort of popped up in the conversation I'm like well hold on a second I thought men and women were equal like didn't feminism level the playing field for everybody and we can just part ways but no it's not that simple so that was probably the first red pilling moment I think

it's also one of the first red pilling moments for a lot of guys too is when they start going through the divorce machine as well there's definitely a lot of sticky areas in there and whether if kids are involved or in sort of like the the direction that that usually goes with custody or I don't know I I have been divorced but I don't have kids

um but also just you know even talking about like allegations like women do get away with a lot I really think there's a lot on both sides like there's a lot that men get away with there's a lot that women get away with and it's a matter of just stopping the of getting away with some something and just be have integrity and have honor and do

the right thing that's what you'd hope for but the reality isn't that from the perspective of the usually the leave or because there's a levy and a leave ore yeah and and the person leaving the other that wants to stay in the relationship doesn't want it to end so you're in a bad bargaining position if you're a dude leaving a woman and she wants you to

stay and family law is almost completely on her side well to be honest family law is mostly completely on the side of the person that makes more money that brought more to the table if you have kids it's also on the side of the person that gave birth to the kid in most instances because women are a hypergamous by Nature they tend to marry a cross

and up on the social economic scale so they tend to marry up to guys for the most part not all women do um so guys are in a position where they have to deal with that whole okay well what do I deal with you know like how do I deal with everything I brought to the table how do I deal with my future income you know

the notion that someone that you married for a few years has rights to a decade or decades or even a lifetime of your future income is absolutely absurd to me given that men and women are equal under the you know the guys you know feminism today let's talk about that hypergamy I basically sit here in my life and go like what do I do right I

If a woman dates lateral and up and a mandates or sorry a woman dates lateral and up and a mandate sort of lateral and down when it comes to success and finances status and a woman is intelligent that hurts her earning intelligence whatever like what the f what do I do I'll tell guys in honesty that you're in a better position to marry a woman that's

on the same par as you if not higher right because that almost removes most of the risk of losing your nest egg in any future income um my ex-wife's a lawyer you know she's very successful um so that really wasn't a huge issue as far as you know nest egg and a division of assets it was more dealing with you know the child custody issues was

that daughter um but for women that you know like you like I assume that you've done well in life you know you've raced cars um I don't know you know what the total record is although I am a huge card Enthusiast but I don't watch racing I don't it's weird because I love driving supercars but I don't like watching other people drive supercars I don't find

it as interesting to drive them myself yeah I'm not gonna lie I don't watch that much racing but now that I do more commentating and I'm a host for I do a little bit for F1 NASCAR and IndyCar I obviously keep up with everything but yeah yeah I really find the job they did on the Netflix series um drive to survive really good on the formula

one thing but it's it's it's got to be difficult for you if you're a successful woman to find a guy and get into a long-term relationship because the thing with successful older guys is like Med Peak a little bit later on in life than women do right like men reach their sexual Market peak in their late 30s and the thing that women don't like is they

peak in their early 20s and that's just an unfortunate reality of this Texas and it's always been that way men have always been success objects to women and women have always been Beauty objects to men so men tend to date younger women go into Peak though what does peak mean well um men are valued based on on their competency skills what they can do um you

know that like like that little Dent that they can put in the universe sort of thing whereas men don't usually care about women's degrees they don't usually show a lot of interest in their degrees on the wall framed in Mahogany with little letters after the name sort of thing it's Grand and it's Noble and all that sort of stuff but there's no guy that ever said

oh yeah look at the degree on her right guys will look at a woman and say look at whatever on her she's walking away sort of thing that's how men operate you know their their visual in the sense that they see women as Beauty objects and they've always been treated as Beauty objects even though Society tries to change that today so Peak then for women's appearance

is earlier value actually um yeah it's actually based on a lot I understand what the peak is and if Peak is for fertility is Peaks money is Peak beauty is what's what's the peak well that's that's the definition that they're trying to change today right because we women have valued men based on what they can bring to the table right like what resources they have available

to them to provide and preside over the family and the children and protect and all that sort of stuff uh women's value has historically always been around their beauty and their fertility um you know when they survey cross-culturally across all continents all religions and they show a lineup of every man from 18 to like 75 I think the survey was done under uh you know lineup

of women from all ages all the way up to 75 from 20. the universally almost all pick about 22 23 year old women you know as far as like beauty standards so that's just the way that Society has always operated so as a beautiful attractive women maybe you know such as yourself that's also had a successful career that's competent influential on social media uh does commentating

you know let's say on racing events and stuff like that but um there's not a lot of guys that are like oh my God she's um you know her voice or or her commentary on that program is so valuable to me what guys look at is the beauty aspect of a woman right like that's that's why women wear makeup dye their hair you know wear push-up

bras and accentuate you know their body curves and their lines with things like heels and stuff like that um as much as Society wants to change that today and say things like You're Beautiful at any weight like that's one of the big lies that I think that feminism tells women is you're beautiful at any size it's just not true right there are standards that men are

drawn to when it comes to beauty and obesity is not one of them not healthy either like it's not healthy like I wouldn't want to invite a woman that's obese and diabetic into my life I don't want to deal with that there's a evil psychologist his name's Dr Ware Dr Warren Farrell uh he's written several books I think one one of the ones that stood out

was uh the myth of male power and he's done a few others like the boy crisis and things like that one of the observations that he made over his career like you know Decades of of studying all this material is basically that you can distill it down to that men are success objects and women are Beauty objects and that's how the Sexes view each other do

you think that's right doesn't matter if it's right or wrong that's just how we've always viewed each other throughout history I don't know I mean I think we we don't grow and evolve without a discussion without changes so it would imply that there's nothing wrong with anything and that there's no need to grow and evolve and you know I think that I don't know I think

that there's still a discussion around that is that the right thing is that is that right because they think that you know when we expand on that and we go into like value I think I saw something that you had written that said like if you took sex out of the uh relationship 90 of women would have nothing to offer yeah and if you took money

out of the relationship the 90 of men would have nothing to offer women explain that that's actually something that I came across in comedy believe it or not I get a lot of my material from Comedy that I you know summarize in my videos in my social media so if men lost their their status their success the wealth or influence their competency uh in society then

90 of women probably wouldn't stay with those guys like the reason why women generally leave relationships and marriages and women leave marriages 80 of the time it's not generally men that leave marriages it's generally women that leave and when women leave it's because they feel like they can do better with another guy right um this guy that I'm married to that I've had my 2.1 kids

in the white picket fence in the station wagon he just sits around and watches Sports all day he's put on 150 pounds he can't keep a job down he doesn't even know how to change the light bulb I have to call my dad to come over and take care of stuff like that these are the sorts of things that women don't want to deal with right

so when I speak to Men I'm constantly telling them chase Excellence right like you can't let your guard down you can't retire you cannot stop you know pursuing passion you cannot stop putting a dent in Universe because if your wife your woman your girlfriend wakes up in the morning and she looks at you and thinks herself I'm stuck with a loser there's a good chance she's

probably going to leave because marriage isn't forever anymore you know the nod is untied all the time um we're not particularly good as a species at monogamy so that's where that notion comes from and on the flip side of the coin I mean if a woman is like 90 of guys would leave relationships if sex was removed from the equation if his wife or his girlfriend

all of a sudden announced and said look I'm just going to become celibate I've gotten right with God I don't have sex anymore I'm going to become you know the Virgin Mary whatever he's going to be like huh that's interesting because the reason why I'm here is for access to easy frequent and you know amazing sex that's why you guys get married that's it that's the

main reason why guys are getting married believe it or not they think that when they get see the biggest complaint that guys have when they get married if you take a look at their Google search history as they start looking up words like why doesn't my wife want to bang me why doesn't my wife want to have sex with me how do I get my wife

to have sex with me could you imagine being married as a man and you're Google searching how do I get my wife to have sex with me there's a lot of marriages out there that are completely sexless right so when you remove sex from the equation and the sad part of it is a lot of guys they won't change that they'll just resort to something like

pornography so they won't leave the relationship they won't end the marriage it's generally not to their advantage to do that because they'll lose so much so they'll just stay lose what could be wealth could be future wealth could be access to their kids it depends it could be all those things so you're saying there's nothing else that a woman offers if it isn't sex they don't

offer Comfort they don't offer safety they don't offer a companionship they don't offer taking care of things they don't offer planning nice things for someone they don't offer cooking or cleaning or I didn't say that like anything like that no I didn't say that but women don't offer safety to me I offer safety to women yeah but all the other stuff you're talking about Comfort companionship

love all that sort of stuff of course but the main reason why men get into relationships with women is for sex what areas of value is it that you believe a woman has Beyond has to be more than sex well I I have greater standards it just sex right like I have girlfriends exactly you know she's got great culinary skills she's fun to be around we

laugh we joke we have similar interests like I like cycling so we go for bike rides a lot in the summertime so it's it's beyond just sex but the main reason why men mate select a woman is because of sexual intimacy that's just the way like that's why we're here on the earth to scatter seed right we're not here to build skyscrapers and Roads and drive

electric cars we're here to scatter seeds like that's our buy that's our biological imperative what do you think about the idea that the world is overpopulated do you believe in that or do you believe it's not getting populated enough I don't know I mean a lot of the stuff you hear in Main Street Media there's just so much of it that I really question now especially

since the scandemic and that you know that that game they put they uh pulled up on us a few years ago it seems pretty obvious to me when I'm on a flight and I look out the window the amount of barren Land There is out there that we don't occupy so I don't really buy this you know this notion that we're overpopulating the Earth you know

at the stage of the game um you know when I'm on a flight and look at the window and there's humans everywhere like ants then I'll say okay maybe we have a problem but it seems like it's not really an issue I don't know what do you think no I don't think so either I think that you know I mean women are not having are getting

married later they're having kids later they're not having as many I don't think couples are are having as many kids as they used to they're not needed for farming and taking care of the property and various different things that I think that in many many decades ago was probably more important I think that fertility is probably down in general across the board but especially in men

testosterone is definitely down a large degree you probably know more about that statistic than I do um so I don't think that it's driving driving the numbers up I think you want to I mean if you want to go down the rabbit hole on things like testosterone I can I can blow your mind on that one too I'd love it blow my mind testosterone levels in

men have been like declining massively especially in the last 67 years they know that testosterone levels 1000 years ago are much much higher than what they are today because they can tell by two reasons one is a bone structure in the jawline of men um you know that men will have a chiseled Square sort of jawline when they have high testosterone the other thing too is

the ring finger on men this one here should be longer than the middle finger if they have like testosterone exactly yeah so most men myself included have you know shorter ring fingers than they do middle fingers um there's very few men that naturally have higher testosterone today but but back in the you know the years back a thousand years ago let's say you're at a dig

site you know doing your excavation you're going to notice that you know like it's like it's easy to spot male skeletons from from female skeletons because of those two distinguishing factors along with the um HIPAA ratios too um so there's lots of things that have been happening in the last 50 or 60 years that have contributed to that even further and it's like um there's a

there's a great author his name's Dr Anthony J and he wrote a book called Esther generation and he and he breaks down in many of the areas that are contributing to this and it's it's mostly chemicals that that we're consuming on our skin in our body uh through agriculture Plastics like like Plastics leech into a lot of foods and liquids and even though they call them

BPA free they still convert to estrogen in your body one of the biggest contributors um happens to be the tap water and most people don't know this but the vast majority of well most people know the vast majority of women are on birth control in many provinces and States it's free the government just gives it away you know for free like it's candy so um women

are taking their birth control and as they urinate the hormone you know the leftover hormone gets urinated out is excreted goes through the uh sewage and septic system they clean out you know large particles poop and all that sort of stuff anything that gets flushed down but they can't clean out hormones right they can but they don't it's interesting because I asked him you know when

I was talking to him I said do they know what these water treatment facilities that there's estrogen in the water and he said yes they know but they're not doing anything about it so there's a role that the state itself plays in the softening and the weakening of the western male and it's not good for women either by the way because now you've got women that

have elevated levels of estrogen as well too which aren't particularly you know serving them but his work and his content mostly you know talks about men and that's why you get these you know younger guys like I don't know how many guys I've come across now in their late 20s and 30s that are telling me they've had to use IVF to conceive both of them and

their wife and that then that's unusual right um does it affect directions too it does it does if you're if you're estrogen dominant and you don't have high enough levels of testosterone you're going to have erectile dysfunction right I mean one of the biggest things that guys notice if they go on trt testosterone uh replacement therapy is erection quality improves almost immediately right um so it's

a huge you know there's a huge Market out there for pharmaceuticals they make lots of money off it the government now has you know a softer more compliant Society that's more agreeable you know they got people to wear face diapers for two years and stand on dots and take experimental Jabs um you know and set what is it 78 of the world complied with that huge

huge numbers right but high testosterone is that indicative of the percentage of people that are considered unplugged that's the percentage of the people that are plugged in that's that you know that's what I would call them plugged in you know that you know 78 and the rest of them are probably unplugged or they're or they're getting there what is do you think there's um conspiracy for

population control do you think that somebody like Bill Gates is trying to wipe people out I mean I'm like I live on the west coast and I'm like it's been raining forever I live in Arizona it's sunny every day here I'm like nah I think it's Chemtrails I think there's I think they're polluting the air and making it rain and making us miserable by not letting

the sun shine because it's super abnormal yeah there's all kinds of theorists out there in 10 full 10 tin foil hat wears that that have their own interesting theories and I think you know to some degree to give a room of authoritarians credit for you know uh engineering the pussification of the western male you know sort of things the way that I like to call it

I don't know that there's those those guys that are doing that but it seems awfully convenient that it's all these things happening simult like they know that seed oils are not good for you they know that um putting oxybenzones in sunscreen converts to estrogen in the body but they still sell it like they know that certain foods are bad for you and you can't say there

isn't a conspiracy see for it though because like Bill Gates is a makes computers but then he started making medicine and then he started now he's buying Farmland all of Farmland you're right right so you know something is going on there something is definitely going on with some of these elitists you know the Klaus Schwab crowd give me sort of like the you know the description

of the unplugged mail and and um what they stand for and the kind of personality they have well the guy that's unplugged that is viewed as an alpha by society and by women is is living his life on on his terms understands you know exactly what is going on or questions what is going on until he understands it correctly doesn't comply doesn't conform isn't one of

these NPC types that gets outraged over everything the mainstream media pumps out at you NPC NPC you know these uh like these clones you know these uh sheeple you know they say uh oh uh Putin bad he invaded Ukraine and all of a sudden everybody on social media changes their social media profile too I stand with Ukraine okay great do you know the full like these

are your NPC sort of uh crowds um so these are the guys that are that are paying attention to these things are essentially what I call drawing a perimeter around themselves and divides US versus that and that's not a popular answer with people that are looking for answers like well what do we do to solve the problem how do we fix this you know how do

we you know how do we return to a place that our grandparents you know sort of lived in and I don't think we can I don't think that you know small small crowds of the unplugged if that's what you know you want to call them you know can get together rally the troops and and fix things um if you're going to rely on the government to

do anything like that I think I think the uh the US's best chance of fixing something like that was a guy that was your last president and let's be honest he didn't do anything when the country was burning down you know he just stood there and let the cities fight over things and burn themselves down and he didn't do that much you know my view and

my estimation anyway although he talked a big talk and had a great talk and a great pitch and all that stuff and make America great again I've been to the states a few times in last few years and I don't think it's great again it's the same as what it was 10 15 every other visit that I've ever had right it's just sort of trending in

that direction so that really changes that much it doesn't yeah it's like it's this this distraction I mean I think it's all distraction it's like goes so red it goes so blue it's like the pendulum swings um you know interest rates go up they go down the Federal Reserve comes in and fixes things it's like it's just it's just chasing your tail and distraction if they

want to impress me with change get out of my life keep your hands out of my pocket my bank account and just leave me alone yeah that'll impress me you know it would change then I'll then I'll start saying okay now we're heading in the right direction but more of the stand on your dots wear a face diaper take five of these Jabs you're not allowed

to say this oh you can't uh address me this way because I have pronouns and that hurts my feelings and then you've got the alphabet crowd and the like all these other crowds out there that are always offended about by something it's like that's that's that's predominant now right and I want to control my part of the Universe the people that I love my family uh

the people that I've drawn the perimeter around us versus them so I'm more of a enjoy the decline kind of guy it's like you know they're going to do what they're going to do I don't have any impact on that let them do what it is that they got I've got impact on my inner circle and what I can control and what I believe that's what

I'll handle sort of thing so that's enjoy the decline meaning well it's it seems like with the direction that society's going and what they're doing to humanity that it is on a decline like let's be honest like um things like uh you know we talked earlier about feminism right like feminism was an equality movement and I think it's gotten to that part like would you agree

as a woman that it is equal or that feminism is still alive or men and women can do anything right I mean you want to drive I mean you want to drive a race car you did it right right right right yeah I do believe you can I think probably the again I'm not a feminist so I but I mean maybe the Judgment of it exists

but there's pretty much nothing you can't do correct so that's my point like feminism has gone past the point of equality like men and women can pretty much do anything they want you know we're different in different regards we've got strength and weaknesses but there's you know there's really nothing stopping anybody from doing something that they want there's there's people that have this oppression mentality like

this victim mindset and the unfortunate part with that is if you have a victim mindset you have to have an oppressor and if you're a feminist and your oppressor is automatically going to be men so now you're hating men sort of thing so I think that the feminist movement has gone past equality and now turned into a Supremacy movement where it's demanding the subjugation of men

um and in many cases some people people would argue white men so it's it's not a great trajectory and I don't see that changing anytime soon which is why I'm more of the you know let them do what they're gonna do the mainstream media has you know full control with the exception of places like Twitter I think which has changed for the better with Elon Musk

you know taking it over and trying to balance it but I think we've seen most social media outlets and most most mainstream media parrot what liberalism wants it to pair out what toxic feminism wants it to pair it um it's always looking looking for some victim it's always looking for the subjugation and weakening of males so it it just seems to be more of a Supremacy

movement than a movement about equality anymore and I don't know if you agree with that like what do you think about that statement I'm curious on your thoughts I think generally culture is living in very much a victim mentality identity politics spiral of like there's always something to glom on to to um defer accountability and um everyone's a victim of something right and there's a reason

for lacking success or lacking progress or lacking lacking whatever it is um that you that you want to put your finger on there's you could come up with a reason right and I think probably in my own life accountability has been what I've most been been most proud of like whether it's accountability for my emotions accountability for my reality that I live in in every space

it's like it's up to me and as soon as I stopped looking to other people to help me make that happen then it's like pretty freeing where did you get that from where did I get that from yeah um probably enough time pointing the finger probably enough time I'm pretty like good in the professional realm of things but personal realm when I stop pointing the finger

at other people and started just asking what's my part in this then if you become liberated happier isn't that amazing yeah yeah and most people don't live life that way it's it's somebody else's fault that they're at where they're at yeah right and that's what I think a lot of society has conditioned themselves to believe and understand now it's like you know if that guy over

there has money then he's bad because money is the root of all evil or uh if that guy over there is in fit in a healthy shape with six-pack abs at you know 50 years old what's he trying to compensate for you know why does he think he needs to do that who is he trying to impress right sort of so you know there's all this

all this pointing and sputtering at you know different people out there and envy and jealousy's uh it's a horrible emotion and I see a lot of it out there you know like um I obviously have an online presence I'm getting seven to ten million views a month on the stuff that I'm doing so I get hate right and you know I'm always girls and some girls

you know well you know we'll figure out if you're a hater if you're a Laker by the end of this podcast I'm fascinated I'm not I'm fascinated so yeah so it's much more on liking than hating because I'm fascinated I love the discussion got it yeah so so I get hate and I get love obviously but but I mean like the haters are the ones that

I'm always interested in because it's like okay well this person's criticizing me then where is this coming from okay like would I want to trade my life for your life what do you do for a living what have you accomplished what do you look like what are your views and opinions and it's funny because you know there's a digital footprint so you can click through on

people you can click through on them on social media on YouTube videos you can see what they subscribe to what they watch you can see what their tweets are all about on Twitter and it's pretty obvious to me that that jealousy and envy like all this hate always comes from beneath you because nobody ever gets jealous of a loser people only get envious and jealous of

somebody that they want to be or to be like or to have things that they have sort of thing so I find this I find this Dynamic interesting today where it's like people spend a lot of time effort and resources trying to bring bring somebody else down and it's like wouldn't it be a lot easier just bring yourself up to their level well what does it

take to do that what does it take in your life I'm guessing obviously you've you're in that space so what is it that tips them over because I think some of the problem is it's not that people don't want to get better it's not that people don't want to want the pathway forward they don't actually know they need it yeah that's an interesting question because it's

is it's they don't need it they don't know how to do it has it has it been uh like squeezed out of them like is it something that's been engineered out of them through uh you know through their upbringing um one of the things that's changed culturally over the last couple of generations is we have more kids today raised in a single parent household than we

ever have in in the entirety of History um most households in my dads and grandparents generation obviously were not single-parent households most households today are single-parent households and they're and they're mostly moms well they probably progressively gotten smaller just in the community scope to further back would be like grandparents and uncles and aunts and cousins and like it's all the way down to one parent essentially

yeah and um they're not doing a great job I mean you know the results are in most like the vast majority like when it comes to like high school year kit kids um the vast majority of gang activity teenage pregnancies runaways uh terrible marks in school incarceration they're all from single parent households and if you remove the father from the household what do you think is

going to happen right there's an interesting story that I heard one time about um the almost Extinction I think it was a white run white rhinoceros in Africa I might have butchered you know the breed of rhino but it is but it was a rhino and poachers were were killing off male adult elephants for their ivory tusks and what ended up happening was the young male

elephants were charging these rhinos just out of fun you know just out of shits of Giggles because there was no adult males to reel them in and keep control of them so they found when they they started to reintroduce adult males and they and they got rid of the poaching the white rhinos stopped dying off because the young adult males stopped charging and killing them so

like you need men and women in a good Society it's you know it's required and the problem is is that you know guys were considered the head of the household at one point right they were the leaders they were the ones that were respected and looked upon but today men are mocked I mean I grew up on a steady diet of sitcom you probably saw shows

like uh you know Home Improvement Tim Taylor The Cosby Show stuff like that when you're growing up and the fathers really always portrayed to me as a bumbling idiots right and I think you know that's just one of the small elements that have that have contributed to the to the change and the decline of the West right um um this is a good time to talk

about roles it's something I'm curious in my own life about I've asked many people that but like what is a man and a woman's role in a relationship that's a great question because those roles they try to overlap them now you know one of the words that really grinds my gears is partner I don't know about you but whenever I hear somebody say oh my partner

okay is it your husband uh are you lesbian you know is she a woman like why are we using the word partner like why aren't we using husband my boyfriend my man my woman my wife my babe you know whatever it happens to be um I mean it would be it'd be to share it'd be that you know like you know for instance say you're married

you have kids or you're together you have kids whatever it is and you know the the dad is like I'm gonna babysit it's like no now you're gonna be a father you're gonna you're not gonna babysit like they're like you know do you think that I always have do I always have to wash dishes do you always have to take the garbage out you don't I

can do that you can you can wash dishes like it doesn't I think partner is implying that it's we're in this together and that we share we pick up the pieces when we need to and it's not always going to be these roles for this person these roles for that person we're gonna help each other that that's the point of being a partner yeah that's that's

the ego investment that you have in that story so let me sort of um you know dive down that rabbit hole a little bit because I think for the vast majority of History um a friend of mine calls him pink jobs and blue jobs right like he does the Blue Jobs wife does the pink jobs um he's cut in the grass shoveling the snow uh taking

care of the car and maintenance you know she's running the kids to the doctor's appointments uh you know preparing meals and stuff like that so and that's fine because you know men have strengths and women have strengths agreed and there's a reason why the vast majority of men um are in fields like Roofing oil rigs um you know construction engineering all this sort of stuff and

women are more into nursing and child care and teaching and stuff like that and that's like one of the you know big complaints that feminism has about you know the world as all women are paid 70 or 80 cents in a dollar for every dollar that a man makes sort of thing it's like no if you're working you know 14 days straight on an oil rig

you know 12 hours a day and you're working at a child care center for seven hours just you know feeding some kids and you know hurting some cats in the playground he's probably gonna make more money than you so let's not go there right so I mean I got paid more than most men so I I don't subscribe to that argument yeah and there's certain Fields

where women do get paid more than most men like I know a guy usually race car driving maybe you're right um I don't I don't know much about what that is but there are but I mean you also had GoDaddy sponsorship she had a lot of other opportunities to increase her income too right but there are certain Fields where women do make more money than men

in the exact same field like I have a friend that spent a few years in the porn industry and the amount of money that women make as as porn actors is significantly more than what men do right so they don't want to watch this man because there's more people watching them it's just exactly yeah there's more demand because that's what people are watching not watching the

dude um so as far as like the rules goes you know back to original question I mean for you it's different though Danica because I like one of the things that I noticed with you that other women do that you don't do is most women start sentences with I feel like and you'll notice this when you go back and you watch this video but every time

you start a sentences I think and rational thought comes from I think so you're going to have a different perspective from the majority of women that want to be wives that want to be stay at home and make babies and take care of a household sort of thing because they're going to do the I I feel like I feel like this and that sort of thing

the other thing so you'll have a slightly different perspective and there's going to be an a ideology of partnership in some of your thinking because of your accomplishments because you're successful too right so I get that that's where you're coming from but for most of society it's it's usually Blue Jobs and paint jobs right yep that exists at home for I mean like when I'm with

someone that happens yeah you know he's like no no great let me take that garbage I'm yeah I'm gonna get that I'm like okay there's a certain degree of ownership that you have to take in a relationship as a man like one of the things that I found myself doing over the years when I kind of Dove down this rabbit hole and got a new evil

psych and a whole red pill stuff it's like if I'm walking down the street with my girl and she's on the outside close to the road where traffic's coming I'll flip her around and put her on the inside and I'll stand on the outside to protect her right so that's a man's role I would not expect a woman to do that like that's not equal partnership

that is my job to protect you right so um you know there's certain things where it's like sure you know you want to take out the garbage take out the garbage it's fine right but I'm not going to ask you to shovel the driveway or operate the snow blower things like that you know what I mean what do you think is being triggered in a woman

if she's like I got it or like you know what you think I can't do that I mean I've been guilty of saying like I got it but I'm not one to say like you think I can't like that's not what I'm trying to say It's just sometimes it's a waste of time I'm halfway to the garbage can or whatever the situation may be but um

but what what it what is being like we're gonna go both sides here but what is being triggered do you think in a woman that she like what's the what's the what's the solution for this um mindset well you're the solution in what's created are two different things so let's deal with what's created it so I think that a lot of where we're at today where

it's like you know the strong independent woman sort of narrative like like the boss girl I think a lot of that has come from you know women hearing for decades now that men and women are the same uh woman can do anything a man can do a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle sort of thing and that's where you get these strong

independent women where they're like I got it you know I can take care of it sort of thing right like I don't need help with that leave me alone get your hands off it sort of thing and that's going to that's going to be problematic in the relationship because at the end of the day she she really doesn't like do you really want to take the

garbage out no one wants to take the garbage out right you know what I mean like I'll take the garbage out when it's garbage day don't sweat it what should what is it that that leads to a strong partnership that a man and a woman should agree on as far as the roles in the relationship go I think it's a conversation that you should have before

you get into a live-in type of relationship right that's it's like look for me it's pretty clear I'm a leader I'm going to take on you know the blue jobs let's say right I don't need you you know swapping out the snow tires for the summer Tires I don't need you you know picking up heavy things like I'll like I'll pick up the heavy things I

got it right like I'm like I'm built that way but I need you to uh apply those amazing culinary skills that you have to make dinner for me right because I like to eat right so for me like when I was selecting a girlfriend um one of the things that I was looking at as far as criteria was I didn't want a boss girl I wanted

a woman that would enter my frame and uh be a compliment to my life not complicate it sort of thing and that's difficult for guys like me to find today because a lot of women are you know the boss girl sort of crowd and they're like you know I need a man like a fish needs a bicycle which is funny because usually as soon as something

breaks or they need help with something that masculine you know skills are applied to then they're now you know the little girl that needs help sort of thing so it's an interesting Dynamic and I think it's difficult for men to deal with but I think at the same time you know as you're a woman and you're navigating this you've been told your entire life to be

strong and independent right um to be successful to be you know to get the degrees and Chase excellence and all that sort of stuff but uh that's not what men find attractive that's not what what most men seek in women although there was a contingent of men out there that are that are still of the belief that men and women are equal and that we should

share exact responsibilities and you know Monday nights you take care of the kids and Tuesday nights I'll take them to you know swimming classes sort of thing and you know Wednesday nights I'll do the cooking and cleaning and Thursday nights you do the cooking cleaning or Friday night's date night sort of thing so those things are are applied a lot to life I'm not saying they're

right or wrong I'm just saying that for me with the kind of guy that I am I would be the leader I'd be the alpha male I would be the one that that would um you know basically set the tone for the relationship and she would enter it benefit from it but also be a compliment to it like when I go out for dinner my girlfriend

never like pays when I travel like I just came back from Mexico so when I travel she doesn't pay right like the flight's taking care of the hotel you see what I'm saying like that's the kind of guy that I am and that's the kind of girl that I want and as um you know you call it as a as a consequence of that but but

as an outcome of that she prepares wonderful meals you know she loves me she's accommodating if I'm sick she'll take care of me if uh if I need her to pick something up you know when she's heading over she'll pick it up there's no I'm not going to do that for you it's you know she's she's Pleasant you know what I mean well you said the

word um equal and you implied you know you said that you know there's an idea that men and women are equal which you're implying that they're not they're different there's a difference between equality and difference there difference is fair anybody watching this right now knows that men and women are we look completely different right men and women look completely different we have different skill sets men

have men have like a third more upper body strength than women have right there's there's a reason why men go to war yeah there's a reason why you know men go to war there's a reason why we when a transgender male competes in a female sport he destroys and dominates women right like men and women are different not fair but but fairness that's interesting that you

brought that up now fairness is usually I find anyway when with most people it's like well that's not fair and it's like no men and women are still different and that's okay it doesn't have to be fair like fairness in a relationship I think is a contributor or a catalyst to the failure of that relationship because nothing in life is fair but but I mean if

life was fair like in your racing career everybody would be on the podium but no there's one through twenty on the grid right that's how it works that's that's how the competition ends at the finish line but today fairness is basically uh you know it's infused in the fabric of society even in elementary schools because all children are given a participation trophy there's no first place

anymore in many sports I I mean I agree and that's all like there's a winner and there's a loser you better learn the lesson when you're six instead of when you're 36 and you're you know miserable and your life's going nowhere because you have no coping skills like right learn that lesson young um but I think that it's just getting stuck on that equal word like

you're we are we're equal but different is that what you could agree to I would I would agree with that men and women are equal in society but we're different exactly and in a relationship too equal but different yeah I'm still going to be the one that's called upon to defend you in a relationship when the bad guy breaks in the house in the middle of

the night and the window smashes on the floor and you hear a bang I'm not going to Elbow you and say okay well you get this one because I got the last one I'm I'm the one that's going to jump out of bed and put myself In Harm's Way so I don't think that they're Fair inherently in the way that you're describing like you know um

you know men and women are equal and and fair and all that sort of stuff it's like no we're different and that's okay I don't know that I want to apply equality or fairness to a relationship because it doesn't make sense to me I wouldn't expect a woman to stand close to the road I wouldn't expect a woman to jump in front of somebody that was

trying to rob us right right right right right but I I I know but I think you're thinking that fair meaning like it's Tit for Tat it's all you're saying equal is yeah it's like the whole equality thing like I don't think they were equal I think that we're different and that's okay but equal and importance yes absolutely or do you think that men get a

little bit ahead because they're the ones that ultimately will be the one that has to risk their life let's say no Ben see men are the Disposable sex women are the protected sex that's why when the ship goes down it's always Women and Children First I mean it's always been that way men have always been disposable throughout society and women have always been protected if if

if there is Wars and by the way we live in one of the most peaceful times you know in human history but if there's a war and two warring tribes you know get together who gets killed off all the men and when the dominating side wins any children or or teens that weren't either um brought into their armies or brought into slavery were killed off that

were male but who was protected the women and that that's where the notion of War Brides comes from because I mean like even as far back as World War II War Brides were still very very common when the Germans invaded France and Normandy and uh Holland and you know like all the Dutch people sort of thing all of the women that complied and entered the frame

of the German soldiers were mistreated at the end of the war they were brought out into town squares and their heads were shaved and they were shamed for sleeping with the German soldiers and abandoning their you know their families and their husbands and things like that so women have always been protected and brought into the winner sort of circle and that's why women are very adaptive

in society that's why see women don't understand this but men have a very hard time with breakups right we don't get it it's like you know you know we just want to get an answer and if you get an answer then and you're deemed a stalker but if but if a woman you know gets dumped then she wants endless meetings there's emails there's text messages she

needs closure all this sort of thing like women are generally a lot more adaptive and they can move on very quicker from relationship to relationship and I think that's because of the war bride Dynamic where throughout history they've been conditioned to adapt to new circumstances and environments because if they didn't they would die I don't agree with that it's true though I think it's because women

face their feelings and emotions because they can't help it it's part of our nature and that men traditionally in a breakup usually go out and start dating someone right away or they start they start sleeping with other people they distract themselves and women go through the emotions and They Mourn and they cry and they they're miserable and and then they they work through it where a

man's is sort of deferred or delayed or pushed down and that's not what that never works either yeah that's not what I've seen I mean the amount like I've done consults with thousands of guys now many of them private some of them even on my podcast channel on my Monday night show and the amount of men that have like there's this condition called juanitis it's funny

you know they make up all these terms and the manow swamp and there's this condition called juanitis which is basically defined as an unhealthy attachment to one woman and this this happens when a guy gets dumped betrayed cheated on um and he's left in this broken state where he doesn't he doesn't get it I did the right thing I took care of her I took care

of her kids I you know insert all the things that you know were done like all the reasoning behind it and she's off already sleeping with a bunch of other guys I don't see that Dynamic you know happening with women Where They Mourn as long as they say that they do and historically speaking again back to the warbright dynamic think about it throughout history when men

were killed off what were women's options they didn't they didn't have the resources or the capacity to usually take care of themselves so they would have to adapt to whatever was conquering them you know whatever was dominating them it's also one of the reasons why you know back then you know the nomadic the nomadic hunter-gatherers sort of people that we were uh you know women were

generally shared you know the Bob Bill and Patrick go out to hunt uh you know the saber-toothed tiger and only Bob comes back well guess what Bob's taking care of everybody else's family now too and he's probably sleeping with the wives as well right that's just the way that things work because men were always treated as disposable you don't like that though I can see that

uh yeah I just I just don't agree what about um what about the perspective of vulnerability like there's such a such a movement and culture for men to get more vulnerable no I'm gonna guess you think that's some right there so I'm curious what what that means and you know because we're talking about emotions and so like I do disagree I think that women process a

relationship quicker and get out of that emotion earlier because they've dealt with it they've gone into the depths where I don't think a man does and I think this sort of plays into this area of vulnerability of a man who does a man talk to I mean look like I talk to my girlfriends like they're I have therapists but I also have girlfriends which play like

therapists almost and it just takes talking things through and I don't know how a man operates in those spaces and so you know where does what is what is your what are your thoughts on the area of vulnerability and Men yeah men have been told to be more more vulnerable haven't they how does it sit with you and your girlfriends though when a guy you know

turns into a total I think there's definitely a fine line there's a fine line between a and a man that owns his feelings there's the layer deeper right there's the actual true feeling of how you are like to me like a an alpha man is someone who just knows that they're strong knows what they uh the hazards their strong beliefs and beliefs and what they're capable

of and they don't have to go spreading that the words all around they just know it so there's like an inner energy and and so I think that it's at that layer deeper where a man can be honest and share and connect and tell you the truth about something that he might be feeling and completely own that with confidence and then there's some that don't and

it's the it's the truth of the energy versus what the words are sometimes I think that are the real energy is the real truth that's why some people have Charisma and some people are you know draw people in it's like an energy it's it's not you can have two people saying the same things and one of them actually believes it and the other one doesn't and

those are two different realities yeah I think what you just defined is that women like men that just get it you know like you don't want to tell guys how to solve that problem you don't want to solve the problems for like women aren't generally King makers they want to be with a king you know what I mean like they want to be with a guy

that's that's got it figured out so when it comes to that feeling emotions or being vulnerable your dog dies be emotional you know you lose your parents fine be emotional it's required you have to grieve through that part Brenda from accounting was mean to you today you don't want to hear about it I mean personally for my friends if Brenda at accounting was mad mean to

one of my girlfriends I'd be like get over it but most women would want to have a big conversation about that let's get together we'll pour some wine let's bust out the cheese get The Chicory board going let's you know let's talk about Brenda and what a she is sort of thing what about just being heard be heard absolutely but but I mean the point that

we're making about this about this concept is that women want men to just get it and it's okay to be vulnerable in certain circumstances it's okay to cry in certain circumstances that are warranted but most men get emotional and get vulnerable and cry over the littlest things which turn women off you know men don't understand this that they want the women want men that just get

it that are competent that can solve problems that can get things done that can make it rain they don't want to deal with a crybaby you know one of the things you hear a lot of women say and um you know after I got divorced I was dating a lot of divorced women as well because I was you know looking at women around my stage same

age group and one of the questions I was always asking so why did you get divorced so what happened and I heard a lot of oh you know he was a big baby you couldn't keep a job down he was such a he wasn't a man he was a big beta you know big cry baby you know like all of these things and it's like huh

that's interesting but who was the guy that you married right like you know did something change and one of the things that happens to men in long-term relationships I've noticed is this this concept that I call the Pacific it's it's the it's the betatization through a thousand concessions you see what I'm saying so it starts with something like hey Rich you know don't brush your teeth

over there you're going to get toothpaste on the carpet then it goes to make sure you put the white socks in the white hamper and the black socks and the black camper let's go vegan together and then it's and then it continues to go concession after concession after concession sure sure and the and the thing is is that women truthfully they don't want men to make

that many concessions I understand the organized part like I understand you know the laundry thing and all that sort of stuff but as soon as you start stamping everything yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and then you give her the stamp and she starts stamping everything yes her interest in that guy declines dramatically agreed because here's the deal he doesn't know who the he

is right and you why is it like a girl to not know who the she is either like don't you want a girl to contest with every now and again don't you want a little bit of a challenge I mean you know there there there's like a perfect ratio it's like a one to five ratio I'm trying to think of it's a Hoffman no it's um

um I'm trying to think it's a marriage couple that's researches marriage but there's a perfect ratio of disagreements that need to happen in a relationship and you know I don't know what your thoughts are in Jordan Peterson but he'll talk about that too you don't want the easy you want some level of challenge that is required for the relationship to be strong you don't want to

push over do you do you I'm a super girl I I don't want to come home to a disagreeable bossy woman I want to come home to a loving woman of course a woman wants a loving man but you don't you you can't you can't tell me that you do you a woman to make to make sessions for you and that you'd still respect her I

would for what because she's not a man and women are different remember that you know we talked about that before men and women are different just because you want see I think the great lie that a lot of women have subscribed to when they're drunk on this Kool-Aid is they've been told to behave like men oh you have to be somewhat disagreeable you have like there's

a certain ratio because Jordan Peterson no that's not true that's not true is it it's not true that's just called autonomy is it though yeah absolutely because no two people are identical right but it's not like we could all just agree on everything so just like you're gonna know who you are and I would know who I was like you're not always going to agree so

you can respectfully disagree or you can have the discussion change your mind perhaps I actually like part of doing this interview is I was hoping you could change my mind on some things because I think because then I know I've learned something because I'm I'm open-minded that's that's like the fascination is that cool teach me something new but I know I have my convictions about myself

I know who I am and I'm not just going to bend over in every single category so a man can feel good about himself or so he cannot be challenged yeah but believe it or not it's he's not he's not trying to feel good about himself by not arguing with you he just doesn't want to argue with you he just wants peace in his life right

now I get that not many men are competent and deserve a peaceful life I understand that there's a lot of losers out there a lot of weak men that get challenged by women for a reason I get it I fully understand that but a guy like me I I don't want a confrontational woman in my life right it's it's not needed and it's unnecessary and I'm

competent enough and I'm successful enough and influential enough that I don't need to put up with that sort of thing so while I get that a lot of women have told have been told to be strong and independent and decisive and you know to some agree like women I think today are more disagreeable than they ever have been in history yeah but I don't think that

it's because we're being told to it's because we are it's because people are getting more confident with who they are well it's because women don't need men anymore nobody needs anybody don't they do they I don't know that's a great question what's the point of a relationship what's the point I love the question what is the point of being in a relationship you're essentially talking about

not being challenged but my experience and all of the people that I know and the books that I read and the shows that I watch relationship is the greatest place to grow because it's going to challenge you it kept but not because of the challenge having challenged it like I have challenges in life Danica I run businesses I have Investments I have real estate I you

know I have supercars that break down all the time like I have enough challenges but nothing Taps into your emotions like a relationship no no that's wrong men successful men that are doing something with their life do not want disagreeable women in their life they want a compliment to their life they want a woman that adds value to their life they don't want to fight and

argue over well this weekend we're going to go shopping for curtains and they have to look like this and it's like after I've just been busy all day doing all this putting out fires you're going to yell at me about curtains now oh yeah I mean that's a shitty challenge that's a shitty challenge that's what a lot of guys are dealing with though the real challenge

is the getting triggered part the real challenge Danica there there are good relationships out there where there aren't constant challenges there aren't constant disagreements there's there's there's a there's a compliment to one another's lives sort of thing um one of the things that I wanted to mention as well too because you brought up Jordan Peterson is you know I think he does more good than he

does harm and I I think you've had him on a podcast have you yeah I have yeah so um you know he's an interesting guy but I think that he gets marriage wrong I think he gets relationships wrong um there is an advertisement that I saw on the daily wire and they were pumping out this thing about Jordan Peterson's three-part series on on marriage and I

thought that's interesting because I have a chapter in my book on why smart men don't marry anymore so so I went and bought you know the subscription I watched it and I did a video podcast on it um you know you can go find it on my podcast Channel be unplugged Alpha but the thing that he gets wrong is that his entire notion about a good

marriage about a good relationship by the way he's only had one okay his entire notion is built around negotiating in that relationship and what you're basically talking about is negotiating desire all I'll do the chore play I'll do the dishes put them away take care of the laundry run the kids to the soccer meet and swim lessons all that sort of stuff uh and I need

you to do the you know this that and the other thing sort of thing it's like you know you sort of start negotiating back and forth with this and that or I'll give you this you can hang up that picture if I give you these curtains sort of thing and it's like he wants to continuously encourage guys to negotiate in a relationship and I don't think

that that's that's a good idea because you can't have a good relation trust me because I'm in one right now you can have a good like I've been in relationships where you're constantly fighting and there's all this you know head butting sort of you know I was married to a lawyer like I've like I've dated a lot of successful women okay um you know lawyers accountants

you know stuff like this so you can be in a good relationship and not have to negotiate anything in the relationship she has genuine burning desire for me right and I feel the same way about her and it's organic and I don't have to fight over anything like that um he doesn't even talk about basic concepts like vetting women for marriage like let's take a look

at any red flags that might exist in her life that we might not want to invite into our life to complicate it unnecessarily so you know like his stuff is pretty good and he definitely does more good than bad but I I really think he gets like this notion of just ramming men into the slaughterhouse of marriage which is what happens to most guys believe it

or not here are the stats so um they've done these surveys and over an average I think it was 8.1 years take a guess how many couples were still in love you know defined as in love like what percentage 30 13 13. take take a guess how many to find the relationship as Blissful like we're blissfully in love three percent exactly that that's bad adorable that's

horrible is wrong and and why would you as a guy sign up for something that would look like marriage girl you are acting like it's only guys that are miserable I I'm not saying it's just guys but but the risk factor that most guys have which is exclusionary to you because you're successful in your own right from your own career but most guys like Kevin from

you know the VP Department of the uh sales team conveniently almost always you know we'll be making 280 000 a year will conveniently marry you know Becky who's a forty thousand dollar your hairdresser right so the risk for guys is they're getting themselves into a situation or an environment where it's now their entire wealth and their Futures potentially and access to their kids if they have

them because women still get the vast majority of custody orders is very very high risk and potentially low reward for them in a marriage but for women it's high reward and low risk because they get the custody because they are always taken care of with family law because they can pull the false domestic violence trigger sort of thing so there's a lot of moving parts to

this that most women don't get until they finally get sort of thing right and I'm not saying that any of this you know needs to change we should rally the troops or anything like that again I'm the enjoy the decline guy right so I'm just like you know drop perimeter watch them do what they want to do and I'm going to protect mine and you know

there's Us Versus Them sort of thing so it's it's a very interesting Dynamic when you take a look at it for what it really is you know like we said earlier you know there's truth and lies so what's the point of a relationship well the point of marriage if we're gonna bring it to well you don't believe in marriage though right no no okay and I'm

totally like I have been questioning that Institution for years now like do you really need marriage to make this thing real I mean well the thing about marriage that most people don't know there's a really good book by Stephanie Koontz called the history of marriage you should check it out um and the tldr version of it is that the reason why we've been getting married for

you know hundreds of years and all this sort of stuff ever since the Advent of Agriculture and all that is the acquisition of in-laws right so I'm successful as a farmer my brother is a a blacksmith my other brother is a teacher my dad is a law enforcement guy your side of the fan family you got a a chemist you got somebody that's uh you know

mob boss like you know like you would you would blend the families and you would then have the acquisition of in-laws and guess what now you're taking care of your own but that's changed and that was where it was Community Based where it was like now it's the state that is the head of the household right yeah the family is no longer the head of the

household the man is no longer out of the household the state is the head of the household and in fact you could argue that women have all the power with the state behind them because of the way the family law is written and the advantage of being the mother and usually being the lower income earner in most relationships I guess again with the exception generally of

somebody successful and accomplished as yourself sort of thing so you know what's the point of marriage today I don't see any point in it right you know if my girlfriend said well if we don't get married then I'm gonna leave I'll just okay it was nice knowing you right like I like I am I I have to surrender to that fact because I've acknowledged that it's

it's too risky and it's too difficult for me to go through that again right now do you want to have kids I think that a two-parent household is the best way to do that do you need to get married to do that not really can you get married if you really want to um can you lower the risk by vetting you know the you know who's

going to potentially be the mother of your kids can you you know there's lots of things that you can do to sort of improve the odds of not throwing your life down the toilet bowl so to speak but you know we're in a very different and difficult time when it comes to both the Sexes like I understand men's point of view very well and talking to

you about this you know from the female you know perspective I get that you say certain things and and why you say them but again I still think that men and women are better together than they are apart it's just we we have to work together and stop trying to work against each other so interesting because there couldn't be so many expressions of the same the

same truth which is what I totally believe in which is we're being called to honor each other in our different references truly truly respect them honor them and if you if a man can pick me up and hold me and respect all the things that I can do and I can do the same for his talents and abilities then when you come together that's much more

magical than someone being offended someone being triggered someone thinking that they should or shouldn't have to do something it's more about like what are you really good at what are you really good at and let's be freaking awesome together and then how do you how do you infuse and blend all of that into our biological imperative that we've evolved to to be because that's difficult right

because then you start including things and other elements into that relationship that most people don't even understand I think that when it comes to marriage and what you were just talking about you know again I have a lot of the same Curiosities and thoughts about it all but when it comes down to like squeezing that last little bit out what it feels like is if you

believe that this person is your person so wholeheartedly and you're so in love then getting married is like oh well sure I guess if you want like we're gonna be together forever anyway this is how much I love you and so there is something to be said about cultures perception including mine and I question marriage um about the all-in quality of it yeah look man we

could do we could spend hours on this topic of marriage and the Dynamics and the opportunities and the risk factors and all that sort of stuff it's it's a multi-layer multifaceted uh discussion that that could go for quite a long time but I mean like the reality of it all I find is that look if you can have a good long-term relationship then that's great but

I still believe that there's certain boundaries as a guy and I'm speaking from the man's perspective right I think there's certain boundaries that you have to set within the uh terms of that relationship before you would consider uh inviting her closer into your life you know whether that's a living you know situation or if you wanted to call it marriage or living under the states rule

or you know guys of marriage and whatever that happens to be um it's it's we live in difficult times this is not our grandparents era which think a lot of magical things happening too which I think that we're in a time where things can be Rewritten so if you were to sort of deduce things down to a couple of things for each side for each gender

for a man and a woman to embody moving forward that would create better relationships what would that be the the optimal situation is having a society of strong masculine competent resourceful successful man now I get not everybody can be at the top of the hierarchy right there's you know there's worker bees there's you know there's drivers of the bus and passengers on the bus sort of

thing like all that notion has been you know explained a million times um but the the best experience that you're going to have as a guy in my opinion is doing that work you know I always say you know do the work and people are like well what does do the work means it means do the work right are are you the best version of yourself

are you in the healthiest body are you as successful as you can be do you have a great network of friends uh you know I always say your network is your net worth like you could take my resources my money my cars my house my assets take them all away from me leave me with my network and I will be back with all of that stuff

within about a year or two right like so you know become that guy right like do the work on yourself you know men again are viewed by women as success and women are beaut are viewed by men as Beauty objects so my advice for women is different I have a daughter you know my advice to her is going to be preserve your value don't be promiscuous

um you know I was having this conversation and somebody said to me you know like what do you think the best way is for a woman to find a high value guy because there's this notion of high value you know going out there right now you've probably heard it he's a high value guy she's a high value okay whatever so what's the best way for a

woman to find to to get married and have a high value guy in her life and have a family I thought okay well that's an interesting question so let's think about that what a high value guys respect and value uh well women that are preserved right like they like they haven't run around they haven't been with 100 guys they didn't like there's not Instagram and Tick

Tock videos of her and uh Cabo and Tulum and Cancun at Ibiza all these foam Cannon parties in Vegas like I'm not looking at that right so okay so there's that so you know preserve your value that way you know obviously be beautiful be feminine and I would then say you know what go get a job in high ticket sales sell private jets sell high-end real

estate sell you know like you know you want to get in rooms with successful high value men that's probably what you're gonna have to do right so I mean that would be optimal I think you know for a woman in today's world but the dynamic is going to be different you know for everybody like the conversation I think is going to be different and every parent

is going to have a different conversation with their kids but at the end of the day you're never going to get away from the fact that women view men as success objects and Men view women as Beauty objects you can you can get upset about it and you may not like that Jagged Little Pill but that's that's the reality like that's why Leonardo DiCaprio ends up

breaking up with a girl every time she hits 26 or whatever 25 and then he and then he gets shamed and why doesn't he just grow up and find a woman his own age he doesn't need to exactly because he doesn't need to because he has that option in his life right so you know that's what men default to when they have the capacity now now

the problem okay so what if we take the Leonardo DiCaprio thing out of the equation and we're not dealing with a high value guy because he can't right like what if you take the average guy that's you know Kevin the VP of uh sales sort of thing makes 280 000 a year right you know he's not Leonardo DiCaprio he's not going to get you know young

women dump them at 25 get another one and do it repeatedly over the next couple of decades right okay so now he's got to be that guy now he's going to find you know a woman that he's going to want to you know get into a relationship with and she has to find that guy that she wants to be in a relationship with the interesting thing

is though when you start paying attention to what women's demands are today they have a fascinating long laundry list of demands in what they expect from a guy right he's got to be competent he's got to be tall he's got to be funny he's got to be fit did you ever hear about this there's this website called the female delusion calculator no that sounds terrible okay

so somebody put this together I think I think one of these black pill guys you know sort of thing but anyway they they went through the statistical data in North America because women have this long List of Demands like for you you're how uh tall five one okay so you're you're short though any guy yeah so like any guy will work for you right but most

women today do like really tall guys though for some reason of course of course so like do you have a line in the sand like you're like six foot tall six foot two yeah I don't care you just got to be taller than you yeah taller taller than me and and heals is Danica standard so there you go guys okay so so there's that standard but

women beyond that usually have the standard of he's got to be six foot tall he's got to have a six-figure income um he's got to be competent he's got to be funny he's got to be able to fix things he's got to be strong at Alpha and virtuous but he also has to have a soft side too as well right you know they'll keep going down

this long laundry he's got to have six pack abs he's got to have broad shoulders he can't have hair on his chest he's gotta have hair on his head you know like he's got like all of these things and the funny thing is is on this female delusion calculator there's only I think four elements there he's he's single or married he's over six foot uh his

income and uh physical appearance so whether he's fat or if he's uh fit right and when you punch in the dad and it spits it out if you're looking at a guy that's say 40 years old take a take a guess what percentage of the male population in North America is over six foot tall has a six-figure income is not obese enough married ten percent less

it's like less than two percent or the sixes I just heard about that too yeah the six sixes is something that I gotta introduced to at a party like 20 years ago I told the story in a video once I'll you know tell it to you and your audience again so um this this party I was at this you know this friend of mine's wife said

You Know Rich you got it all I got to set you you know set you up with my girlfriend you probably got the six sixes all of a sudden the other thing I'm like what the hell is the six sixes like what does that even mean she's like six foot tall 600 uh 600 horsepower car uh six figure income six pack abs six month out of

a relationship and six inches in the pants and I'm like you don't know the last one but yeah thank you um but that's just the starting point today right like like that doesn't like that doesn't even begin to qualify most men so women have these incredibly high standards of men like these big asks and I think that if they're looking for a for a relationship a

lot of women today kind of need to check themselves and take a look in the mirror because even that three percent of guys out there that would that would qualify to meet you you're not even close to what they're looking for right I mean if you got you know 50 Grand in debt and a and a beat up old 15 year old Honda and three kids

from three different fathers I'm not I'm not interested nothing like not even a date goodbye right right right okay well what are the what are the big asks of a girl then that's what we just talked about it's that big long list that they have right no you're a big man for a woman what is a what does a man look at and they go if

she's got these things going on yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's really funny um a friend of mine once said that men's standards are so low that she's just sexually available that's it uh I mean there's some truth to that I'm sure that's that's the biggest part of it now beyond that one around forever so no no but you know beyond that if you know

if we're gonna date and do things it's like look um here's my life and I'm gonna invite you into it you know do you like like I like doing Supercar rallies you know with my friends and I like having you know my gal in the passenger seat she comes along and they sit around with all the wives and girlfriends and we laugh we have good times

like these are the things that I like to do and if she's going to enter my frame and want to be a part of that and come along for the ride then that might be interesting to me right but if it's you know like the ladder where it's three kids from three different fathers and a bunch of debt in a busted ass car and all kinds

of problems it's like don't make your problems my problems um I I'm you know I'm just not gonna deal with that and that's a lot of what guys do like men complain today relentlessly perpetually if you go to my um Twitter then usually at least once a week I get something that you know people DM me and there's a post and it's like a screenshot of

some gal's dating profile and she's like um if you're just a player or a f boy swipe left um I'm six months pregnant I've got two kids already three cats and I'm a stay-at-home mom and I'm looking for a guy that's looking for a serious relationship and it's like what loser would sign up for that why do you start there like what's wrong with her that

she's starting there is it good it's very common it's very common so that's the starting point for a lot of women today when it comes to you know like hitting on guys is they just air their dirty laundry like women now on Tick Tock you know I've noticed this trend now on Tick Tock and I posted this in the last week or so there's a video

that I came across they're airing their Notch counts on social media and they're and they're telling the world how many guys they've been with you know that it didn't work out for anyone it's not their fault right it's like oh my God this is where we are today that we've reached I mean female empowerment stuff that I just don't agree with like that's not cool for

anybody either way like no guy should say that no girl should say say that I shouldn't say that either right agreed so I've heard that for the most part men want to feel like they're they want to be respected respect is huge and needed but if see if you're respected then you're loved automatically I believe anyway but there's women that disrespect men continuously in front of

the public you know when you see it you can't unsee it you know you I was at the grocery store the other day um she's pregnant she's got two kids in the buggy and you know the skinny goofy guy is in the diaper aisle and he puts the diapers in the you know the buggy and she yells at it that's not the one you gotta put

in there Bob you're such an idiot what's the matter whether you're even uh it's like um just put my head down I keep going sort of thing uh but that's the you know that's the life that a lot of guys you know sign up for today because they're not they don't have one better options two they're not good at betting women the inventory you know the

available uh like women out there that are some quality standard that are worth inviting to your life are down dramatically so yeah there's a lot of you know there's a lot of moving parts to this but this isn't a Danica Patrick problem though right like this is this isn't something that you have to deal with obviously all right so I'm severe it's totally challenged what sort

of problems do you have dating and the guy that can stay confident like with someone that's wealthy and well-known that's very hard yeah you're gonna find that that they want see men want to feel like they're respected and needed and again because women are hypergamous and you know you want to look up and across to a guy so you have to be able to look up

at him like you want to be with a giant right so how so how hard is it for a successful race car driver that uh host TV shows has her on on podcasts done well in life to find a guy like that and a lot of these guys by the way they're not necessarily looking for that right they're so they're usually looking for younger women like

they don't really care about about a woman's accomplishments there's no guy that's ever said again look at the degree on her wall look at that that's cool that's odd no no no the problem is is that it's triggering like because it's not that it's not that I can't respect this the other him even if he makes less or is less successful or whatever those things are

it's that he doesn't respect himself in my company well that's a big turnout for women right I mean I think in general for men that is the problem I don't think it's I'm not right could that is that not where do you live on the west coast huh where do you live in the west coast Scottsdale oh Arizona okay so I mean that's that that's not

I mean that's not California right like you know there's it's becoming California because they're all coming here but right right right okay so yeah but yeah I mean you're gonna have more like sort of stronger guys in a state like Arizona than you will in a place like California but I get it like it it's it's definitely hard for women like I know a lot of

women like you right that are that are up there they've done something with their life they've they don't need a guy right like their life is set everything is good you know it's like you know if he comes in my life and he looks good with me when we go out sort of thing we have a good time and that's awesome but there's a lot of

women in your position where they end up settling and they end up settling for like the best that they can get sort of thing and even though you know uh it happens and it goes that you know that route they're they're generally not happy is what I find right and then they I mean if they don't need the guy then they'll just let him go right

because they because they're better alone than they are with somebody that's an anchor in their life you know we have anchors and sales in life obviously and you know when our sales filled with when they take you to an export a call and you have you know great time sort of thing and there's anchors that hold you back and I think women are fastidious when it

comes to um their level of tolerance for guys they can't look up to that they don't see as a giant that they um don't want to you know they won't respect sort of thing so it's it's going to be difficult for somebody like you in your position to find somebody that's of that caliber and higher um that will just say hey you know babe we'll see

you later on after you host that show tonight yeah or is that or is not that caliber but can respect it and not be triggered or not feel insecure so okay I've taken a lot of your time what what advice would you have you can give it for men or men and women or separately what advice would you have that would help the person be led

into the right relationship well it's different advice again for men and women that's fine then go ahead and separate them out then um for women well I I'm going to describe the kind of woman that I want I've already kind of done this you know uh throughout our conversation but for me as a leader a guy that is competent successful you know all those things again

I want a woman that's a compliment to my life right like I want her to add value I don't want to come you know and deal with a disagreeable uh you know woman that's gonna create Havoc or potential difficulty in my life invite chaos invite you know unnecessary nuances sort of thing um I don't want to deal with the unhappy or The Unlucky you know what

I mean so you know for a woman like she needs to be that gal that's that's the sort of gal that I would look for but that's not that's not what most women are today and that's not what most women are are hearing as far as influences like the biggest influences out there like who are they uh lizzo you know you're beautiful at any size oh

please uh Kim Kardashian you know like she's a huge icon out there you know I mean feel bad for Kanye but Kanye you know he hasn't got his head screwed on right either you know you got guys like Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith oh my God the slap like dude you let your wife sleep with your son's best friend and then you aired it on

TV in front of the world right so these sorts of things when I was a kid are were unheard of but this is normalizing in society today so you got to get away from all of that nonsense from all of that garbage and you know if you're a woman you want to identify the kind of guy that you want and then be the woman that he

wants to be with and I'm telling you right now you know as a guy that's at that level and I have a lot of you know friends of my network that are very successful entrepreneurs or eight nine figure guys you know we do fun and cool stuff together uh many of them are in long-term relationships and to be honest with you they're really not that interested

in other women right like they're fine other women pose extra problems for them unnecessary problems sort of thing so a lot of these guys are already taken two you know so that's the problem as well so rather than spending your 20s partying getting 17 degrees you know on the wall I think that your best use of your youth which is when you're most valuable to men

is to develop yourself into that woman that that guy that you want to be with is if that's the guy that you want to be with happens to be you know what I mean if you want to get degrees and climb the corporate ladder and do all that stuff that's fine but don't be surprised you know if you're 41 with three cats and you want to

have a family and no guy is interested in you or you can't conceive because it's too late sort of thing right like there's like I'm almost 41 with two dogs well men and women are on different time scales right you know there's there's there's medical Miracles today that would that would still allow you to have a family obviously I did freeze my eggs when I was

33. okay so I mean like you could still have children obviously right yep but I mean if your goal right now is if like is your goal of family like what is your goal today boyfriend family no I don't I don't it doesn't really matter it doesn't really matter Adventure yeah well see that's the thing I mean you want to get clear on your goals you

know exactly what you do so if your goal is to have a family to have children then you should be explicit about only doing things that lead towards that if your goal is Adventure then why did you bother freeze your eggs security safety blanket safety net yeah yeah just insurance yeah so I think you need to get clear on what your agenda and what your goals

are and really stick to that and like again understand evolutionary psychology and what men and women are evolved to do and be in relationships and how relationships do work and how and what women respond to what men respond to and if you want to get a good response you know you have to feed that you know sort of thing all right if men could do one

thing to make themselves into the man that is consistent and attracts the right kind of partner girlfriend wife whatever that is what would it be what would you recommend to them it's nothing else other than Chase excellence in your life make something out of yourself there's too many guys today I feel I feel so you just said I feel I think that our two it's probably

the first time in the podcast that I said it actually um there's too many guys today no no but you haven't said I feel that much I've been listening to you you know you started with I think but there's a lot of guys today I think that are too compliant because they've been told just be yourself and just be yourself is the worst advice I think

guys can take just be average no woman wants just average even even the gal that's pregnant with the two kids from the two different dads who's 26 that just got right with God after partying through her twenties even she doesn't want average no no but yourself is not average that's not the same thing right be yourself is own who you are and that will make that

everyone is unique and different and it's like the interpretation you are then you can be great right but the interpretation that most men have today when it comes to just be yourself is just be a nice guy if you like playing video games that's good enough if you like being 300 pounds at five foot seven that's good enough because you're just being yourself right and this

is what guys have been hearing and that's not what women are attracted to that's not what they want to have families with exactly they haven't done the work so do the work yeah all right rich thank you so much that was very interesting I appreciate your time I appreciate your perspective and I'm gonna keep watching you got it thanks for having me Danica yeah thanks everybody

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