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[Music] welcome to the pretty intense podcast today on the show is the amazing interesting deep spiritual teacher Michael Beckwith Michael's a meditation teacher he's a conference speaker and he is a seminar leader for the life visioning process he's also been on Oprah he has three books he became very famous for his work on the show called The Secret talking about manifestation and the law of attraction

so I've been following him forever for those who don't know I actually watched a secret back in 2008 like pretty like very close to when it came out and then I went and won in Japan right after that so I always kept that connected we just had a really cool conversation about life and how it works and how energy works and how manifestation works and how

you know the forces that keep us down and the and what we need to embody and feel so that we can create the reality that we want and also outside of us what is that reality what is reality and he is really good at this stuff and he's really brilliant we got a little bit into extraterrestrials we got into other entities go to go to human

and what a what a beautiful message she has to offer just truly truly enjoyed this interview it actually just kept getting more and more fun as it went so I hope you love it please hit the Subscribe button and please let me know what you think in the comments I'm going to start off by like asking a big question what is God God is how obviously

more than a concept God is a presence of love beauty intelligence life itself that's that's Omni omnipresence God is everywhere omniscient so it's all knowing and it's omnipotent meaning it's the only real power this and there's nothing outside of the infinite everything else is an experience of our limited perception so the presence of God is not a man in the sky it's it's beyond gender and

uh if you look at the evolution of human consciousness you'll see Humanity projecting human qualities onto the presence God created an earthquake God created a tsunami God's creating suffering God has chosen people whatever the case may be but as we evolve as a species we come to an awareness that this presence is eternal and that we've all emerged from this presence we didn't create ourself we

emerge from the presence as a distinct unit of of love and beauty and intelligence according to our uniqueness so so another way of saying is God is life with a capital l that's conscious of itself pure Consciousness yeah what could that be like going a layer deeper it's life it's that what is that what is life then life is that which is conscious and conscious of

itself it has uh so the presence of God is totally self-conscious it knows itself um there are different stratas of of um of life that are not necessarily totally self-conscious God is still there but God becomes conscious of itself through us through a spiritual being having a human Incarnation we can become conscious of ourselves we could become conscious of our thoughts our emotions our moods our

beliefs our perceptions all of that is in our field of awareness and we can become conscious of it but that which is conscious that's that's life that's the presence right there so when an individual is becoming aware that something is passing through their awareness that individual is aware of the presence of God as their life you see it's Eternal it's forever never took a birth will

never die is infinite and will always be on the edge of Greater expression of its infinite nature so that that that energy um is the energy of evolution you see and it's the energy of unfoldment explain that more that Evolution that always expanding like my deepest biggest question in life is like what is reality the guy look around and I'm like are we holographic are we

interested holographic indeed like I want to know because what I feel like when I know what this game is then I'll know how to play it better so you have a lot of questions in there yes that is how my mind works so when we when we deal with uh life and life is infinite no beginning no ending so it and it has the capacity of

expression so it's always expressing itself so there's never into it's always unfolding now there's a difference between evolution and unfoldment unfoldment is there's something already perfect and it starts to reveal itself for instance you know analogies are interesting but they get close so you have an acorn So within the acorn the idea of the oak tree already exists and so the oak tree the acorn doesn't

create an oak tree through unfoldment the oak the acorn reveals through unfoldment that there's an oak tree there you see so it didn't create it it's not causing it it's revealing it when it's in the right condition so evolution is what happens to different structures based on external conditions so we can say that you know there's an evolution of certain species it got too cold and

so they developed fur it got too hot they lost their fur or whatever the case may be but the idea of that species the idea of a of a human being of a spiritual being having a human Incarnation there's a perfect idea of us that when the conditions are right it unfolds it reveals itself So when you say what is what is the game what is

reality reality with a capital r is that love and beauty in life they exist everywhere but we must be the vibrational condition for it to reveal itself through us or if not we get caught up in small R reality which is simply the experience of our beliefs we experience our beliefs whether they be true or not you know I used to do a a a practical

joke years ago when I was in college I don't know why we call them practical jokes they're not practical but we would take a book of matches and uh we would go up to one of the fell our fellow students and we light the match blow it out and then quickly touch the person with a cold match they're thinking we're touching them with a hot match

and suddenly they form a blister a heat blister on their hand and they get upset a little bit we said no we touched you with a cold match follow me then we go to the next person lighter match blow it out touching with a cold match they get a blister more often than not so they were having an experience of their belief they weren't having an

experience of that which which reality cold match they were experiencing their belief so humanity is experiencing a belief in separation not enoughness lack limitation they're experiencing that they're experiencing a reality that's not real it's why we call it the world of appearances because things that appear to be real are simply thought forms that we're experiencing but it's in the um the background of God love beauty

intelligence eternal life which is never touched by experience what is the role of the illusions that we experience the anything other than love and connection and God frequency energy God Consciousness Christ Consciousness whatever you want to call it what's the role of it well it gives us feedback as to what what we are attached to in our Consciousness now let me break that down just take

the word problem as an example like people have a problem now the word problem comes from the word emblem so a problem is emblematic of what's in our awareness okay so if we're attached to a particular thought form or perception a belief an interpretation of a past experience then that becomes emblematic as an issue in our life so it gives us feedback we're getting feedback as

to what is in our awareness so if we keep repeating something over and over and over again there's a belief that probably has an emotion attached to it it probably has a um the vanity of the ego saying mine as I said in other words that's my opinion that's my thought that's my belief which creates a you know attachment then all of that shows up as

experience but it's feedback we're getting we're getting feedback all the time so that small reality is is is you say what's this role it's giving us feedback we're actually having a direct experience of our belief even if the belief is unconscious it leads me to a question that I've asked a few different people but it's about objective reality and it's about being able to really see

anything other than ourself so what are your thoughts that come to mind basically I'm wondering how is it possible that there is something can I see things objectively and then that's actually a second question as to whether or not I'm ever really clearly seeing you or if I'm only seeing myself you're seeing yourself and you're seeing what you think of what the thought you have of

me okay so um yeah it's still yours so I don't like I don't see your thoughts I don't actually see you objectively no you see you see accumulation of beliefs thoughts perceptions opinions projected onto me some of it might be accurate some of it might be inaccurate last January I was about to do a podcast or a class I can't remember but I always sit down

I'm like I always meditate before I pretty much do anything and so when I opened my eyes I was blind I couldn't see I was I was engulfed by white light and the it was so powerful it was like thousands of searchlights those big searchlights I was in it so I called Reverend Kathleen McNamara and Lee Brown I said I can't do the interview right now

or the class I'm blind I can't see and uh so I'm sitting there I'm in Bliss now there's not there's no fear It Was Fear for a minute but then I just relaxed into it it was just I'm getting to this point um so after a moment I could see I was in this light but I could also see outside for lack of a better word

and Kathleen and Lee were standing next to the door and I looked at them and what I could see was a filament of light in their being was like a fountain it's a fountain of light and I realized that that's who they were they were light they were light the the body Temple was um encapsulating this light so for so I was giving the privilege at

that moment of seeing who they really were they weren't their bodies they weren't uh their past experiences they were light they were light and that wasn't the first time I had that experience was the first time I ever had it publicly with other people around it was never it was always um in my house meditating or something going on of that nature and so when you

say so we see our beliefs projected onto the screen of life and I'll tell you a story I meant this is many years ago it's probably over 30 years ago I was about to teach a class I was teaching a class and a young lady came up to me and said that there was a a man in the class that was kind of harassing her not

not sexually but just bothering her saying negative things and things like this and she told me who he was so I I said to myself okay well I'll keep an eye out for this so I'm in class and I'm looking at the guy and I start to form this opinion wow she's right he is kind of negative he is kind of abrupt blah blah blah so

I go to her and I say I see what you're talking about and I say the guy's name she said no not that guy another guy I was looking at the wrong guy but based on which he planted in my mind I started to project it onto him and I started to see it it just it just really gave me a very powerful lesson yeah about

projection and it gave me a powerful lesson about taking other people's thoughts and and and owning it and projecting it onto the world it was it was very powerful so it totally goes that that's basically the when we change the things we see change absolutely yeah that was when Wayne Dyer's favorite quotes you know how do we grow from from from seeing ourselves through someone else

so first off it's to know that we're seeing ourself in someone else right so how do we grow from that and then what are the ways that we can turn inside internally and what are the sort of like modalities or techniques that we can use to grow and learn about ourselves by looking inward so when we when we are what you're describing projecting parts of ourself

onto someone else we have to take responsibility and own that you know so so total responsibility is one of the first ways of growing and then you have to say Okay what is this that I am projecting projecting is it um a lack of self-love and appreciation is it Lack of self spiritual self-esteem you know what what is it that I'm placing on to this other

being so when I take responsibility for it now I can become still and I can allow to float up the actual belief or thought that's generating that projection now that belief or thought is a lie it's not the truth it's a lie anything that's less than God less than intelligence and a beauty and life is it's a lie because we're Spiritual Beings emerging from the Eternal

so anything unlike that is a lie that we're telling ourselves how do we discern then like how do we know what's a lie versus like is that is it just if anything is not positive or is it I think it's not life-affirming is a lie when we hear that thought it's not life-affirming that it's not it's not the truth it might be an experience we're having

but it's not the truth of our being a lie believed acts as a law until neutralized any lie that we have that's running us it will become our personal law we can we can change States we can change relationships we can change jobs but that lie will run us and it will act as our personal law until we neutralize it look within we see the LIE

we dismantle it through prayer through meditation through forgiveness until it's no longer operating within us now we become free and we see life differently we see people differently there's less judgmentalism you know uh with this less projection but it you know it doesn't it it takes a degree of um radical sincerity and inner work it's real sincere wanting to wake up and not just because once

you have a projection you put it on the world the ego then says it fights to say I'm right yeah yeah I'm right about this and that's one of the ways that we slow ourselves down because we Embrace I'm right they're wrong look for it and then you look for it right if you have an idea that you know um guys always cheat on me then

you go and look for it right or if you have an idea that the world treats me terribly you actually go out and I'm only just I'm like speaking from experience like if you go out into your life and you actually look for look to justify yes belief and you'll find it and you also helping to create a condition for that to show up right explain

that more because that's the tricky one yeah so we live in a field of infinite potential infinite possibilities but the possibilities can only come in a manifestation if the condition is right you know you can have a you could have a seed the seed has the potential to be whatever olive tree apple tree but it's not going to do that unless the condition is right it

has to be planted it has to have the proper soil Sunshine water when the condition is right it shows up so that's true about anything uh if if if you're holding a seed thought whether it's the sea thought is affirmative or whether the seed thought is not affirmative you if you create the condition that thought will emerge so if you're looking uh for what would you

say somebody cheating what's the other things yeah or like the world is uh the world the world's a bad place then what you're looking for you're looking with you're looking with that Dynamic so you're also helping to create the condition for that with vibrational beings so Reviving at the condition of what we are afraid of what we cherish what we love yeah you see so the

bad news is that oftentimes what we are afraid of has more emotional impact you know the the the the universal law says you don't get what you want you get what you're interested in so if you're looking around for negativity then you study of the condition to have that experience if you're looking around for that which is affirmative and life-giving then you you'll be getting to

Trend in that direction it's all lawful no no none of it's personal you know if if you fall off a building and you hit the ground and go Splat break your arm or something it's not it's not personal gravity is not personal you know to you oh you know I'm gonna get her you know no you took her one soften the blow right you know it

works either way you know it's not going to just suspend itself yeah you know so so we learn to you know own our projections begin to have an awareness that we're actually surrounded uh Einstein once said you know the question we have to ask is the universe friendly you know uh he he figured that it was the friendly the universe was friendly it was not working

against us I like to use the word Progressive it's it's the universe is Progressive it's not working against us so we have to be in alignment with it and then wonderful things occur because we're in alignment not because we're good people you know and we're better than anyone a weird alignment you know if somebody is a gymnast and they learn how to be in alignment with

their body and how to do certain poses and things you know they're not better than anyone they're just in alignment with that particular skill so in the same way we learn to be in alignment with Our intention we learn to be in alignment with spiritual practice and then our personal Law changes for me I always figure I always feel that everything's I just have an awareness

everything's always going to turn out okay I don't have any other thought even in the midst of challenge that's just my inner feeling so it you know if it hasn't turned out okay it's not over over I totally I'm with you how do we get into alignment you know I have my own experiences with this but what is the quickest way because then I also will

add that I'm not sure we always know what's best for us or even extremely really even who we are to some degree so we can't it's not I don't think we just know right so how do we get into alignment with the energy that's actually true and then what are the signs that we're in alignment now most people don't know because individuals have been imprinted from

the time they were in embryo with uh the social milieu whatever is happening in society whatever's happening in our parents home you know so our one thing and what we think we want is not really coming many times not coming from our soul essentially coming from society right you know so when we ask for what we want we don't even know if we really want it

you know what I mean I was counseling someone last year very famous young individual very rich very famous and uh she had been in and out of rehab many times and um and she said to me she said you know what when I was in my 20s I wrote down that I wanted to be rich and famous see the very next week I I got a

lead in a series been working ever since she said I have not had one happy day since and now this person's close to 60. you know they could have been and out of drugs bad relationships but they thought they knew what they wanted rich and famous they got it and they have not had one day of Happiness now they're starting to because they're coming into a

spiritual awareness so you're right most people don't know what they want they're getting a lesson in that then if you can ask for something and get it somebody did ask yeah you want to infuse that with certain qualities okay I want to be I want to be full of joy I want happiness I want peace of mind I want a deep sense of well-being uh you

know these so whatever you get you want to be in that soup physical emotional qualities yeah yes to to and to imagine instead of the exact thing just visualizing and feeling and embodying the way you want to feel that's it right there and then let the universe deliver how you're gonna get that feeling because that's essentially all you really are looking for absolutely it will create

the condition to match that feeling harmonizing Prosperity really great friendships good support system health of the body Temple that will all come because you're putting first things first you know there's an old statement that says hell is God giving you everything you want yeah yeah because you're immature I mean I mean do you want what your six-year-old want it you know do you right and it

goes back to do you really know what you want right right no are you mature enough to even be able to ask for the right thing right so you encapsulate everything with a with a quality qualities of love and joy and happiness and in peace you say what you want and then you always add this or something better so you love the universe to be able

to maneuver it so that you're not stuck with your limited wanting my friend um my dear friend NADA she gave me this little Mantra to say when things are a little awry and she goes I just stop and I ask the universe how can it get any better I didn't get any better I should do talks on that all the time that's the question you ask

how can it get any better can this get better and you do that even if things are really good it's true it's true you're totally right you're exactly right and uh it's amazing I mean you most you notice it the most when there's the most contrast right but it's like you just can't believe that the Universe lined up something so magically that you're like you can

do nothing but believe in the power of saying those those words and how can it get better than this I'm gonna get better than this I'm infinite look at this every potentiality available is right here absolutely um so then what are the signs that you're in alignment because again if you're not always sure you just sort of ask for the feeling you want when do you

go okay wow stay on course yes this is right even if maybe something hasn't fully materialized or come to fruition what are those Winks from the universe that are the the are saying yes well in the Manifest world they're um obviously their Serendipity is a coincidences that occur that you did not plan that just show up opportunities that that pop up that show up you beat

the right person at the right time you realize oh something's happening here and then there's no then you start to have an awareness that you have less and less anxiety and anxiousness and a greater sense of peace and that greater sense of peace is not tied in to an external event it's like sometimes you know why am I so happy why do I have so much

peace because nothing seems to has changed in the external world but I'm feeling a greater sense of happiness and joy and peace that means you're coming more in harmony with your intrinsic nature it has nothing to do with the external world and now as I said earlier conditions will start to shape-shift in order to give birth so you can give birth to your highest desire your

soul desire your heart's desire what is your understanding of dimensions and timelines because it feels like right we choose a different reality for ourselves and we literally get onto another track of of Life essentially they're infinite Dimensions you know dimensions are vibratory planes got it Earth plane which is composes of three dimensions you go to the fourth dimension Fifth Dimension there are different different dimensions this

is what Jesus meant when he said in my father's house are many mansions today he would say in this unified field of awareness there are many dimensions you know and I go to a a high dimension and I'm waiting for y'all you know I'm paraphrasing but so yeah there are many dimensions that we have access to and the average person is dimensionally challenged they only live

in three I mean why would you just want to live in three dimensions but materialists have a have a tendency to live in only three you know uh someone that may call that might call themselves an atheist might be living in three maybe not there are many atheists that embrace the qualities of love and peace so they live in higher Dimensions even they don't believe in

God you know so there are many many dimensions in the idea is to be able to bring those dimensions and that frequency to Earth in the old theology it was dying and go to heaven the new theology is I'm bringing Heaven to Earth yeah I'm expanding my awareness while I'm here and I'm bringing it here I'm not going to die except to my littleness and so

I can be in heaven now I can be in the higher frequencies now and then bring it to Earth so the old theology is dying even though it's still loud and and clangy and and uh there's still a lot of Believers at that level but more and more people are escaping into an understanding that wow Heaven's right here my own awareness it's right here has it

always been that way though always it's always nothing's changed what's hell then hell is a state of consciousness of mainly stagnation refusing to grow so Heaven the word Heaven is a Greek word that means ever expanding good that's what heaven actually really yeah oh wow and hell is stagnation I'm I'm not growing I'm stuck so if a person a person puts himself in hell if they're

stuck in resentments animosities unforgiveness hate you know and they refuse you know a chip is too heavy to carry you know uh a grudge is too heavy to carry you know but that's hell the person is stagnating so Heaven is expansion hell is stagnation the states of Consciousness so they're not places even though they're vibratory places it's not like you know a person can be in

Hell on Earth what are some of the universal laws that are the most important to understand because you talked about our own laws that we create essentially what are those outside of us that are universal laws that we could benefit from based on linguistic convenience everybody knows about the law of attraction that's a very basic law you know as you become in tune with a certain

feeling a certain vibratory imaginal Realm you bring that into your experience [Music] it's really the next law it's really the law of resonance you're actually like a tuning fork if somebody hits a tuning fork everything in that frequency would start to vibrate so when you start to resonate with the dynamic of abundance Prosperity love peace those qualities you become a you become a everyone resonates everyone

generates a field you start to generate a field so there's a law of resonance that that we come in harmony with that happens when people are chanting they're singing they're praying you know um they can somebody can like go in their garden and they just kind of fall in love with the flowers or they fall in love with their dog or whatever the case may be

there's a there's a level of residence then there's a law of emergence meaning that at a certain point that which is within you begins to emerge it begins to show up a butterfly emerging from a caterpillar caterpillar is already there the imaginal cells are already in existence within the caterpillar when the condition is right the the butterfly emerges so there are qualities within us gifts genius

capacities within us and we're not really attracting them that's why I said the Law of Attraction we use that word as linguistic convenience to to help people just understand sure but really what's happening is you are coming into that vibration so that that which is here can emerge from you because if you stay with I'm going to attract something to me you're saying to yourself I

don't have it but I'm gonna get it it's gonna one day come so you end up putting your good in the future so when I start to come into resonance you see um it's it's different you know there's I'm I'm I'm in Residence so so you know so I'm not saying that a vision board doesn't work you can look at stuff and start to feel you

start to feel this is what Prosperity feels like and then you sustain that so this is the feeling so so it's getting into the feeling the visceral body feeling might arise emotions you might breathe heavier you might cry you might smile spontaneously yeah something where you actually get into you actually become it yes the feeling provides the healing and then there's emergence where then it emerges

from you you see now the issue is many people they do it on a hit and miss basis or they dabble um because I'll ask people do you meditate yeah do you do this yes do you do this yes and then I'll say what consistently and they'll say well you know I kind of dabble I go when I'm in emergency when it's emergency I'll do it

you know but if you move from dabbling and curiosity to a level of dedication you start to see greater results it's so interesting I'm I would guess I'd have to say I'm a little bit of a dabbler I use spirituality spiritual sort of modalities on an as needed basis is it possible almost feel so blessed that you don't even know what to ask for yes you

just stay in the feeling and then um that Grant the feeling of gratitude maybe maybe you can relate to this sometimes parents would say to their kids if you don't stop crying I'm gonna give you something to cry about sure you ever heard that statement yeah yeah okay so the universe says if you don't stop being grateful I'm gonna give you something to be grateful for

so if you hang out in gratitude even if you don't know what you want you can hang out in gratitude then the universe brings you something in that vibration instead it shocks and surprises you because you you weren't really you want that specific about X Y or Z but suddenly something adorable okay that's good I like that yeah so gratitude and that higher frequency really really

helps you be in alignment with the law of receiving receptivity availability the greatest availability on the planet like to the greatest abilities on the planet is availability you know how I'm available am I am am I am I to the total givingness of the spirit how available am I you see and so there used to be a belief that it was IQ that determines a person's

success now we know there doesn't you know Harvard did a 30-year study took the highest IQ people entering the Harvard and other colleges and then mapped them for 30 years and so there was no correlation between high IQ and happiness health or success there's no correlation you know but there was something I what I call availability quotient when you're available there's a you use the word

surrender earlier you're surrendering to something higher you're yielding it doesn't matter what your IQ is your availability quotient and your just your your your gratitude you're hanging in possibility thinking provides the context the vibrational context for more good to flow into your life you see and so it's not IQ it's AQ what blocks us from things because of the dimension of time well let's let's go

two two ways at this one there's something called involution and there's something called evolution involution is the planting of the seed evolution is the evolution of that seed to become what it's supposed to be and in three dimensions that takes time you know it takes time for an acorn yeah years and years and years to finally become a mature oak tree okay now at The Meta

level at the um non-dual uh non-linear level there's no such thing as time time doesn't exist time is a mental construct right see um time is the measurement of distance so where are you right now what part of the world are you in Arizona okay so in Arizona so there's distance between us physically so it would take me a certain amount of time to get to

you if I walked if I drove a car if I if I was on a plane we'd measure that you know it's going to take this amount of time to get to her you know so it's the measurement of distance and it's the measurement of duration of a thought so if I'm having a thought and the thought has captured me I'll have an experience of that

thought let's say you imagine a snake is coming into your room right now it's not a snake it's just a rope but you imagine it's a snake and you're nervous and you're anxious oh my God and for the next 10 minutes the duration of that thought until somebody says it's just a rope oh okay now in reality there's no distance between us because we're both emerging

from the center of the universe okay and the moment that thought stops that experience stops so time is not real it's an abstract concept that is used in this Dimension to measure Evolution you ask the question you know what is it that we don't know about time or how we how do we use it incorrectly by putting our good in the future we'll say my ship

is going to come in it's going to happen one day you see but we have to feel and act as if it's already happening yeah so somebody would say you know what would you do if you're prosperous oh you know I would be very generous or whatever okay be generous now but I don't have any money I'm not talking about money be generous with your time

your thought your compliments you know you can't you can't give a hundred dollars give a dollar you know but load within your generosity the feeling of having because here's the other law it's it's stated in the Bible it's a beautiful law it says to he or she who has or is given and to hear she who has not even that which they have shall be taken

away it's not personal so if you walk around feeling that you have more is given if you walk around feeling that you have not then that which you have is taken away so what do you do you put yourself in a position of being a giver even if you have little even if you have little you still consider yourself a giver this is why I tell

people you know if they want to be more prosperous you know when you get paid or however you get your money put a little bit aside that you don't spin just start saving for yourself oh that's that's going to take too long I can only save ten dollars a week it doesn't matter every time your mind looks at what you have it'll start to the law

will start to become I have I have ten dollars I have twenty dollars I have fifty dollars I have a hundred dollars I have I have I have until your your inner frequency starts changing from I don't have yeah to I do have and then more is given opportunities start to open up because you're feeling that you are a hammer the opportunities start to open up

that brings more Prosperity more opportunities for prosperity in your life so you don't put it into the future now because we're just energy it's just vibrating and we're just matching why why is that so hard for people to grasp well people are in the conundrum of The Human Experience they're they're daily under assault by their own minds that's been hijacked by fear and then they are

addicted to the fear because of the toxic chemicals that go through the body Temple there are people that actually are addicted to the news start there's a chemical that's releases cortisol it's release you know it it it it debilitates the immune system it stops you from thinking coherently you get you enter into fight and flight it messes up your blood pressure but people become addicted they

think they're alive I have drama therefore I am you know there's drama going on there I'm alive oh you know so there's a great addiction it's called fear porn is society guilty for perpetuating more of those things happening because thoughts become things the average person is just ignorant but there are nefarious forces that want you to buy things you don't need that manipulate so that there's

greater fear or greater sense of Doubt or a greater sense of lack of self-worth unless you're wearing this kind of perfume driving this kind of car taking these kind of drugs to alleviate your anxiety you know so people use the power okay influence it's called malicious hypnotism it's what it's called um they they they become Adept at malicious hypnotism so that there's certain levels of angst

that people live in and when there's a certain level of angst people are more easily controlled their mind is more easily hijacked so we actually have to take back our mind you said nefarious so now I'm gonna have to go down that rabbit hole I'm gonna go like wacky out there a little bit like nefarious so I feel like people are good to me in my

experience we're programmed by our environment however there's also belief that there are truly like evil nefarious people perhaps even other entities like controlling human beings So when you say nefarious how far does this go or where does this go beyond humans well when I met in the first I met people that were so blind to themselves they operate out of greed okay stinginess manipulation control might

makes right there are people that live like that and they're so cut adrift from their from who they are that their choice and decisions are totally ego based it's not we it's a total I I'm going to profit from this I'm going to be successful I'm going to control you know so this is so it's the fairies in that sense in terms of outside of the

of course there are other beings and they're all developed at different levels there's certain beings that are very highly developed but they're underdeveloped emotionally and so when they're doing things they have no idea they're hurting people it's not it's not a part of their they haven't evolved at that level yet so if in fact they begin to experiment on somebody or it's you know things like

that they're not even in touch with the fact that they might be scaring or hurting that person so it's not like I want to scare and hurt this person it's like I don't it's like a sociopath it doesn't have the capacity right so there are beings out there I wouldn't call them sociopathic but it's unevolved at that level you know we have people on the planet

Earth that are very empathetic you know they don't want to cause pain they don't want to feel pain they're very emotionally mature so to speak you see so yeah there's all kinds of beings beings um that exist out there and uh and some absolutely inter interface with Humanity interface with our government and things of that particular nature I mean I mean I know you know I

I know this like for a fact in terms of people that I've worked with you know so it's not like how does that show up then how does that show up like when you say you know well I I well I don't generally talk about this you know for instance I knew I know a guy he's passed over now he worked with many presidents of the

United States many of them his mother was a human being his father was not and yet he was extraordinary man he did so much to keep people safe on this planet and the country safe and he had to deal with forces that weren't necessarily operating for the highest and best of all concern you know I know this guy I I met him through some other people

and sometimes when things were happening on the planet that were very terrible or about to be terrible they him and his people had to intervene he would call us together one two three o'clock in the morning we'd have to go into meditation in prayer wow the whole Space yeah used a bomb or they did this or why they did that you know and I was privileged

to this kind of thing and he would say to me if you ever see me in public don't speak to me just pretend you don't know me you know and that was years ago he's gone on but that's that that's one thing you know I've had other experiences and I've had friends who've had other experiences with these with other beings the Western world is so censored

it's so censored the media is so censored people just are ignorant about the things that are so very in front of our face so I would tell the human beings every now and then just look up I interviewed John Paul De jorya a few years ago now back when my podcast first started and um he started Paul Mitchell and Patron and super successful entrepreneur he told

me during this interview it was not anything that I was expecting um based on talking to an entrepreneur at his of his level um but we got into aliens and extraterrestrials and artifacts and things of that nature and he said this is in 19 this was summer of 19. he said within five years we will know that extraterrestrials are real and it is 2023 yeah and

we've had all this stuff just go on recently with shooting down craft and these Rando balloons and whatever's going on so is this the time I think even more than that I think besides those balloons people are seeing sightings all over the United States all over the world of these um crafts that can stop and go stop and go up and down and and uh I

was in Arizona here last week last week there was one where there was like a a streak in the sky and it was sort of like more a little bit vertical horizontal like line and I thought it was just some weird cloud like I remember looking at me like that's weird and I look I'm like I don't know maybe it's some kind of like it was

a plane or something like that anyway then all of a sudden it shows up on the news like what is this in the sky like when they say when people like you know love Neil deGrasse Tyson I I think he's amazing I think he's interesting and smart but like when someone like him says like but where's the proof I'm like I don't know everywhere like what

do you mean the proof like there's so many videos and accounts and pictures and so much there's so much for years for years I have a a friend that was um in this service and he was on the uh ship during the storm and he would see they would see these um different crafts hovering all the time and they were they were sworn I said you

can't you know they were they were told you can't tell anybody what you see you know but it's people like Neil deGrasse who's that their intellect is so high but in order to really go to the next level you have to suspend the intellect to go into your intuition direct knowing and a lot of those people can't do that they're they're inhibited by their intelligence isn't

that interesting if they can't smell it and taste it and touch it and hear it you know it doesn't exist so they are uh hindered Yeah by living only in three dimensions yeah you know so so they they think they're not hindered but they're in the world of Academia you know in the world of Academia has never healed anything and it's linear right you have to

go get it right like it's just you know when you get in tune with get an alignment now you flip that vertical and you're in alignment with all potentiality absolutely but that doesn't make sense to a linear person what about crystal children you know benevolent beings coming through humans is there are there or like the first wave of volunteers second wave of volunteers you know whatever

name we give them you know everything is evolving so the Earth is vibrating at a at a at a rate that's never vibrated before it's it's worth is very conscious so when you when you talk about um the different crystalline children or whatever the they're matching what's happening on the planet as well so there's a there's an evolution that's happening with Mother Earth so the babies

that are being born are actually matching the next frequency of the planet you know so you go back a number of years ago people were heavy materialists spirituality then burst onto the scene I mean not that it wasn't always here by certain avatars and and followers but you know early 80s it went to another level and now this conversation that we're having right now this would

have been really 30 years ago yes now it's accepted now it's accepted it's a woo to some people yeah but you know it's accepted because the evolution of Consciousness has happened so yeah those beings exist they're matching the frequency of the earth I see that makes perfect sense that those waves come in as the frequency of the planet shifts and that is what's anchored with the

new children so how do you take into like what do you account for or what are the beings that are so much more evolved you know such as yourself and have such great or such a greater awareness and you know there have been all throughout history I mean Jesus Christ you know um the Buddha Krishna like how do you account for these these these very special

individuals that defy the frequency of the planet well there's there's no special beings that they're just beings who specialize so so just like there's no one born pretty much unless they are a savant you know from another lifetime play the piano they practice practice practice practice practice practice practice until noise becomes music until the music plays them so we say oh he's special she's special no

they specialized ours until they had that Genius of being able to play the piano so when you look at the Buddha with this practice of meditation [Music] not you know every day every day every day long periods of time he specialized in taking his attention away from the world until he woke up yeah you look at Jesus fasting 40 days 40 nights you know fighting off

his ego which was called Satan fighting off his ego coming to an understanding that man is not meant to live by bread alone but rather every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God now we know if the guy doesn't have a mouth so he's living directly from the field of awareness he's heard directly from the field you see um you study all these people

they had a certain level of devotion sincerity in practice that opened them up to see in reality now it can be argued they probably did a lot of work in a previous lifetime maybe maybe not the difference between Jesus and Buddha supposedly according to my friend who's passed over now David Hawkins is that um Buddha Brooke got off the will of reincarnation after many lifetimes he

awoke Jesus did it in one lifetime in One Singular lifetime he became aware of his Oneness with God what was that not without dedication you know practice now with all the teachings that he said how to do it go into your inner closet God reward you openly forgive 70 times 7 make it a way of life you know if you all he gave you the blueprint

you know and then Christianity came and just kind of smothered it but but the teachings are very powerful so all these big Krishna oh my God yeah yeah totally have a total Avatar total awake you know um like Jesus I think arrived on the planet that way you know and uh so there's a lot to say about what happens even before you get here explain that

we have pre-incarnational choices meaning when you are about to take a human Incarnation you didn't you didn't get pushed to take one you chose an Incarnation and in choosing that Incarnation you also chose you know what you wanted to contribute while you were here what you wanted to learn while you were here and so whether a person is a savant or or not a person has

chosen to be here to go through whatever this experience is in order to make their contribution in order to hone their gift in order to um forgive their past in order for them to wake up sometimes people get caught in the sludge why they came here until so they wake up and say oh this is why I was here oh they hear a voice they see

a podcast they read a book yeah what I've been doing what I've been doing with my life well we're talking about sort of like recognizing your Oneness but that feels like second phase first phase being what usually feels like almost like a spontaneous Awakening is that how it normally goes but many people have that and don't don't do anything with it oh this becomes a memory

really it's like you can't come back from that you can't come back from that you can't come back in that feeling it's like this and Beyond but sometimes people put themselves back to sleep too much did they choose that it was too much for them Free Will is involved they didn't have a it's totally involved they didn't have um you call yourself a dabbler but I

can tell you a little bit more than that if you have if you have a Satori moment today Satori suddenly you just see more than you've ever seen before yeah you're not gonna go back to sleep with that because you have some level of understanding and some level of practice you're going to fan that fire you see now somebody that's just not awake doesn't have any

spiritual practice it could go two ways they can say oh my God I gotta find out what this is that's what happened to me yeah I had to discover what happened what happened you know it changed my whole my whole life changed and I know other people who just became a memory it's still theirs it's bothering them but they're not doing anything about it environment fear

some people are the light is so bright on the ego that the ego will put up roadblocks and distractions to keep you from exploring it further because the ego does not know the difference between Enlightenment and annihilation that sucks it doesn't know the difference all it knows either way it's not going to be running the show the ego doesn't know the difference between Enlightenment and Annihilation

that should scare the crap out of everyone well it definitely scares the crap out of the ego when you start to feel that you're an eternal being then the only thing you're ever losing is your limitations you know you're not you don't ever lose anything when you surrender what does that feel like to you feels like everything is always going my way even when it appears

to be not it's just that's how it feels it feels like like life is good it's not a life it's free it challenges I'm not saying that you know there are challenges in the human dimension on every level but I live in a space of all is well and everything's unfolding perfectly why is that space that I I I'm asking asking to describe so ineffable like

you can't you use the word it's so like my experiences that I've had like I can visualize it and I can give you the words it's almost like a dream where you can go okay I'm gonna tell you what happened but it's not conveying what I experienced so why is it that they that that when you get into those I'm gonna call them higher higher Dimensions

um higher frequency why can't we articulate it here you can because in words you can only say what it's not because the word can't say what it is because the words obscure it you see it can take you to the precipice of it through the power of inspiration but it can only say what it's not because what it is is so once you say what it

is it ain't that because you said it yes you've named it and that can only be that and that's not what it is it's everything right that's what the bhagavad-gita says water wets it not fire burns and not wind blows it not away if you name it you can't find it and when you find it you can't name it that's straight out of the bhagavad-gita and

you find it you can't name it it's just uh I had a teacher that used to say um there's a there's a school of fish swimming in the ocean and then this big wave pops went up onto the beach and the fish for the first time is seen people play volleyball at beach ball and they've seen a picnic and his snoke has no context for what

he's saying and then the wave knocks him back into the water and all the fishes what do you see and all I could say was Era or uh or uh you couldn't say anything else because he had no context to Define what he had seen so everyone has an era experience like or a this is what happened I can it's not this it's not this it's

not this to the best of our ability we try to describe it but then it sounds often times like some romantic big thing you know because compared to like just ordinary Consciousness it is you know but then people think it's far away but it's not is God trying to show us the truth or what we could be or how we could feel or is it God

in us we are God and we are getting glimpses when we dissolve the veil and talk enough to go yeah Bliss you enter into Bliss States when uh the veil is cleaned and suddenly you're in bliss bliss is different from pleasure pleasure goes up and down it has its issues but bliss doesn't have any side effects you see it's it's that's what happens when I teach

that you enter into the door of enlightenment by realizing you're already enlightened all you're doing is removing the obscurations from the mind you are it you're it yeah you and you didn't create yourself you emerged from it as it emerged from it as it gets so so the ego can't grab your it and say well I'm it and she's not we're all it and it don't

forget what is the point of this what is the point of there's so many different kind of levels here but even just this Human Experience like let's just take each and each and every one of our individual human lives that exist right now what's the purpose of it every I believe everyone has the same purpose we have different missions different ways of expressing purpose but our

purpose is to reflect and to reveal the face of the Divine according to our duty pattern that's why we are here to do that that somebody may do that as a choreographer or a teacher or whatever but you're here to do that now when we look back billions of years and we bump into what is called the Big Bang or the moment in which that which

was invisible became visible as Cosmos multi-dimensional Universal Solar Systems galaxies living biology et cetera et cetera et cetera people used to think they used to tell Parables well God was lonely so God birthed all of this out of itself so that God would be lonely now we know that's not true how do you know that because you can be alone and not be lonely loneliness is

a fog of the mind it's not because there are people who can be with people who are lonely and people will be by themselves who are lonely but there are people who can be alone and not be lonely so what it so that emergence was not from loneliness that emergence was emergence from Bliss the presence is so full of bliss and joy it burst in into

creation so that the trees and the flowers and the grass and everything in existence would be in gratitude to be able to participate in the realm of the Divine and the presence could know itself through all of its creation it could see itself through all of its creation know itself as a blade of brass know itself as a human being becoming conscious know itself as any

of them billions of beings all throughout the multi-dimensional galaxies the presence is to be in Bliss and know itself is all of that it's fun it is it's like I am so grateful to get to the point where every now and again I can feel that Bliss or joy as I've called it just by like looking at a tree or a cactus or something very simple

it's not something found in some deep Yoga Retreat on a 3 A.M pineal gland meditation it's like walking the dogs you know and I wish I could get that more often but it's um it's really beautiful when those little things happen so yeah little pin Pricks of reality breaking in yeah well thank you so much wow I mean I clearly have a lot of questions but

I feel like we have to do it again checked a lot of boxes right there and you just uh you really shared such um valuable information and you know we can only just hope that we all just keep raising our level of Consciousness to really see ourselves as what we truly are that's the game yeah thank you Michael thank you for the invitation thanks everybody for

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