Ariel Seidman, CEO & Co-founder of Hivemapper

Hi, my name is San Tito. This is CryptoKid Podcast. I'm going to be talking to you guys about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. Hello, welcome to CryptoKid Podcast. So today I have a very special guest. He is a TEDxer and the co-founder and CEO of FiveMapper. FiveMapper. FiveMapper. Oh, FiveMapper. I'm sorry. I get those confused. So why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself and

how you got involved in the space? Yeah, sure. Well, thanks for having me first of all. It's fun. So yeah, so I got started mapping. I'm more of a mapping guy than I am a crypto guy. So I got started mapping back in Yahoo days. That's really my first job at a school. It was a time when Yahoo was fighting Google and it was kind of

neck and neck. So it was a fun time to be at Yahoo. And what I started to see was that as Google invested in collecting their own data, the quality of their maps started to increase pretty dramatically relative to Yahoo's. And they started to take significant market share from us. And so, you know, you kind of fast forward and we obviously like we're trying to like,

you know, get money internally to go and kind of compete with them for a lot of reasons that are not worth getting into the Yahoo CEO and management of the time. We're interested in doing that. Unfortunately, but if you kind of look forward, it was really clear that just given how expensive it was to build maps that would really become the domain of either very, very

wealthy companies like Google or very, very wealthy governments and that didn't sit well with me. And so the issue has always been is how do you cost effectively collect and then process this data. And so that's always been the trick. And if you can solve that problem, then you actually have a fighting chance to build another competitor to Google maps that is actually has the ability

to go into places like Lego's Nigeria or Manila or certain parts of South America and do it cost effectively. And then also build a map that is refreshing at a much, much higher frequency than Google because it's just so incredibly cost effective to create. So that's we finally took us a while. But we finally kind of found the right recipe to go do that in what

we're building today in high mapper. And so the idea is that you buy a dash cam. And then you put that dash cam. So it's a dash cam that looks and smells like many other dash cams that you've probably seen. You put that dash cam into your car. And then you just drive, right. And so what's happening is is all the imagery that is being collected

from that dash cam gets automatically uploaded to high mapper. We've got a lot of data. We do then take that imagery process it, transform it. And then our customers are really other businesses. Right. So we're selling these mapping APIs that other businesses are using all that data. Right. So even if you never use Google maps, you are still interacting with Google maps data. If you go

to Uber, if you go to if you use FedEx, right. If you get if you go to an insurance application, you use a local government website use Airbnb or Yelp or any of these services. They pay Google maps for all of that data. Okay. That's that's really awesome. Now I was watching your TEDx and. In there, you were talking about drones. So like, are you going

to be experimenting with drones a little bit with high mapper. Drones, I think look, we definitely tried drones. I think drones are super interesting. There's two problems with drones. Drones are. The battery technology. The technology has not improved dramatically for when I actually gave that TEDx talk a bunch of years ago. And then the other big issue is regulation. Right. So you not only have FAA

level regulation, but you then have kind of stayed in local regulation. So what does that mean? That means is from a data collection perspective. It's cost prohibitive to actually collect that data via drone. So while I drone initially kind of looked interesting. It is definitely not scaled. The same thing. The same way that our dash cam product is starting to scale. And it just scales like

effortlessly. Right. There's, I don't know. How many there's a lot of cars on the road. You know, billions at this point. And so, you know, most people have a car. And so it's just made it's a lot easier to deploy and a lot easier to scale and grow on a worldwide basis. Hopefully we get to come back to drones and do drones at a at a

future point. Okay. I'm glad you brought up. Regulations to because that brings up my next question. Now, with the FTX scandal and everything that's going on with that. How? What are your thoughts about centralized versus decentralized. And the SEC gain involved and should they get involved because of what happened with FTX. It should there be more monetization more more laws put in place. To. To help

make people. How do I say? How people trust the product and trust blockchain. So that is transparent. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, look, whether you're doing a crypto business or you're doing a non crypto business. I always feel like the right approach is to be really transparent. You know, with your customers, you know, with your employees, you know, with everybody, right. You know, most people are

really smart and they can kind of figure like even if you try to hide stuff from them, it's just not going to work very long. And then you're just going to end up looking like an idiot. And so it's better to just be like really transparent with you and be like, look, we're dealing with reality. Here's the problems that we're facing, right. And, you know, most

people are going to want to help you solve those problems, right. Not try to like beat the crap out of you. So I think it almost goes well beyond crypto. Now crypto to your point has. Just given all the issues like FTX, it has gone in debt from a trust perspective. That's not a great place to be. Right. And so I think it's really important and

come in upon projects like hive map or in others to be even more transparent, right, into decentralized, even more aggressively, then maybe even two or three months ago. Right. I think the other part of crypto that we always talked about is look, like the initial people got into crypto and, you know, Sandbig been free. I think it's one of these people. They came from a trader

mentality. Right. And the trader mentality, I think, is very different than the builder mentality. And what we need right now in crypto is we need more builders, right. People who are really in the in the ecosystem to build products and services that are better faster, easier, cheaper, so forth, then the competitive products out there. And it used crypto to enhance the fact that they're easier. And

faster and more cost effective, right. I think hive map is one of those examples. There's others as well. And by actually embedding utility into all these different projects, I think that that shows customers that shows. People who are really excited about crypto. And it also shows a lot of the critics that like look, there's actual useful things here being created utilizing crypto technology. Okay. Yeah. And.

You're talking about tokens. So why don't you tell me a little bit about the honey tokens and is it. Find the value and mining honey tokens and how ultimately this X to earn model ties back to increasing web three adoption. Sure. So look, when we designed the entire mapping network that we're creating here with hive mapper, we looked at it from the perspective of, you know,

what are the things that we're going to do. Things that customers care about, right. If you're a customer looking to use a map and map data and imagery data of streets, what do you care about? You care about coverage, right. Like do you have my specific area that I'm interested in covered or not. Is it high quality, right. Like in other words, is the imagery that

you're collecting in the data really high quality that I trusted. And then finally, is it fresh, right. Is it from a year ago or is it from like, you know, a week or two ago or even better from a day ago. So what we designed the honey tokens and look, like, this is not a science project, right. We're not just out there collecting data for the

sake of it. So we can like, you know, earn honey tokens. Like we're doing it because there's a customer at the end of the other side who cares about those three things coverage quality and freshness. And so the honey token you just drive around. And with the high map or dash cam obviously. And that high map or dash cam. This is mining honey tokens as it

drives. Okay. And the, if you're driving in for areas where the coverage is very much in need, right. And the cameras mounted properly so that we're getting a good high quality image. And you're driving on roads that haven't been driven by, you know, 5000 other people with dash cams are like Broadway and Manhattan maybe, you know, as we kind of grow up here and the map

gets a scale. That one's probably going to earn less than if you're, let's say, driving in a suburb of New York City, right. Or maybe the back alley of like, you know, a college campus where they're like have delivery and warehouses and stuff like that, right. And so that's how we designed the honey token is to reward those contributors that are actually providing meaningful value to

customers. Okay. So now you have to have the dash cam to able to access those honey tokens are to earn those. So how is exactly set up. So you got to like putting the front the side. Yeah. Good question. So there's, there's two supported mounts. You can either put it in the front facing, which is probably the more typical. And then the other one is side

facing, but it has to be facing the side, which is what we refer to as stores indoors. So it's really looking at the sidewalk and the houses and the businesses. And so either of those mounts are supported. You can put it interior or you can put it extra. There is like one little catch. Maybe it's not even a catch. When you're mounting the dash cam, you

just need to make sure that it's not showing too much of your hood of the car. So we kind of walk you through it and it helped you make it easier and so forth. But in generating high quality image, we don't want to see the hood of your car. We want to see the outside so you get the mounted properly. Okay. Can you have more than

one camera or dash cam set up? You can. You can have two dash cams. I mean, yeah, you can have two per car effectively. Oh nice. Now, how did you make sure the drivers across the globe can use it, whether they are familiar with crypto industry or not? Yeah. I mean, look, this is when we explain the concept of people like, you know, a lot of

times I go to, you know, you've been to a lot of these crypto conferences as well. And people explain to you, like, what they're doing and you're like, look, I'm in crypto. I'm like a fairly smart person and I have no clue what you're doing. You know, and sometimes it's like a little frustrating. I think the concept of five mappers pretty easy. Right. Like everybody uses

maps. There's a dash cam. You install the dash cam. The dash cam is helping build the map. And then a lot of people drive, right. And, you know, if you help us build this map, then you're part of the team. You're part of the community that is growing this thing and honey is kind of how we all stay economically aligned. Right. Like if, if, if you're

successful in terms of helping contribute to the map, right. And I'm successful in terms of helping grow the map. Right. We're all in it together. Right. We wanted to, we want coverage to grow in the right places. We want quality. Like we want customers using it. Like honey is that connective tissue that makes sure that we're really all incentivized to be doing the same thing. Now

going back to honey token, are they strong enough as an incentive to get the global community to start using the dash cam. It's a good question. Look, I think so. And the reason I say that is I think there's a couple of key constituents. Right. Well, actually, let me pause there. Let me start from the, we're not asking people to do things that they ordered that

they don't do. Right. And I'm going to ask you to do something. In other words, people drive, right. Some people drive a lot. Some people drive, you know, a bit. Some people drive a little. But regardless, a lot of, you know, if you just look at the number of people who are spending, you know, 20, 30 miles on the road every single day, that's a big

number. Right. In the dash cam itself, even if you put aside the hype, never side, right in the mapping and helping us grow a map and so forth has utility, right. Especially if you're like, you know, like a professional driver, like a new driver, a lift driver, a door dash driver, if you get into an accident, right. You really want video of that accent recorded, because

it can help you from an insurance perspective and a safety perspective. Okay. So that's where we kind of start from. That's the like that, that exists out in the world. We're not asking people to do stuff. Right. There's really utility there. And what we say to them is say, look, you know, you buy this high vapor dash cam, you get all of that utility. You're already

driving. And this is really, you know, icing on the cake. Right. This is like, you're already doing these other things that has some utility to you as well. If you're also helping contribute a map, you're helping your local community. Right. Not only you, not only you helping fat acts and UPS and Uber and those types of organization, you're helping your local community. Understand it at a

much, much more precise level, right with a much richer understanding than Google. Right. If you want to fresher version of Google Street View and your neighborhood, you know, there's nobody to call. There's no one's going to answer your call and be like, oh, yeah, we'll get a Google Street View car, right. You know, out there. But if you want to fresher version of, you know, of

a map of your neighborhood or your city, you could help. Right. Like you can actually do that yourself. Right. With a bunch of friends. And so that's really cool. Right. Is this idea of empowering people in a local level and giving them the tools to create a better version of something that, you know, they use every single day? Yeah. Dude, I completely understand because I know

where you're coming from. I was going, I was going to, I was going to a place to help out. Because right now we have, we just went through a hurricane and I'm kind of helping out with repairing homes and all that and, and I'm doing restoration. And we are going on Google Maps and we're just like, we can't find this place. And it's just, like, yeah,

it's Google and Siri. You know, it's where you'll end up when you, when you use those apps. Right. Right. And especially like, especially areas like that, right after they're, they're hit by some sort of natural disasters. Or some any sort of weather event, they change, right. They change pretty dramatically. Yes. And so then you just, you know, Google or whoever has like their schedule and they're

not going to show up, you know, in your city for another 12, you know, maybe 18 months. Right. So you could be dealing with something that's just like effectively just wrong for like a good year and a half. Exactly. Exactly. Now, how has the progress and acceptance been so far globally? It's been great. Like, we definitely, we've definitely done very well in terms of selling dash

cams in the United States and Canada and South Korea in the UK as well. So there's definitely like those markers have been very robust. But look, there's definitely, there's definitely a lot of other parts of the world where, so I think we've sold the dash cam into 66 countries, about 2100 cities. But there's definitely countries, you know, across South America, across Europe still across Asia, Southeast

Asia, where, you know, we definitely need more folks coming in and helping grow this community. Right. The community is like really engaged. Like, people are like, I'm going to build this mount to put it external and it's going to be really easy. And so they're trying to kind of help each other as well. And so, you know, there's just a tremendous amount of enthusiasm within the

community today. And we definitely want to see that expand into many, many other countries and just get a lot richer and deeper. Right. So, I think the number of these dash cam contributors to be able to like just sustain, you know, not only build the map once, but then just sustain the map on a continuous basis. How many dash cams have you sold so far? Well,

it's a little under 6000 right now. Yeah. And so, you know, especially in this kind of crazy market that we're in right now, it's definitely a number that we're quite proud of. That is, no, that's pretty impressive. And honestly, everybody got to start somewhere. Honestly, dude, I remember when I first started podcasting out, I only had like 39 subscribers on a YouTube channel. And now it's

just blown up. So it's, I'm very grateful. And I'm sure you will too, man. Yeah. Just keep pushing. Now, let's get into the little specs of the Web 3 and global mapping industry. How does digital mapping industry operate presently? And how has it evolved? So there's kind of a couple major approaches to the way maps got built historically. You know, so one is the what I

refer to as the Google Maps approach and the Google Maps approaches. Hey, we have a lot of money. And we're just going to throw money at the problem. And it works. Like I don't mean to dismiss it, right. I think they've actually built a quality map. But it's a very expensive map. And you know, they have all these Google Street Bureau cars, each of those Google

Street Vickers costs like half million dollars. Each they have their own airplanes in a lot of cases. And so it works, but it's very expensive. They own everything, right. They own like the full stack. Then you have other projects that are referred to as, you know, free or unpaid labor crowdsourced. Okay, let me break that down. So these are people who are just contributing or volunteering

their time to help build a map. So ways is a good example of this. So ways, there were two parts of ways. There was the part that let you and I probably use, which is the app, you know, on your iPhone and Android. And you know, you're driving, they're collecting all that information. They're helping build a map, right. You're identifying, hey, there's a police person here.

There's a broken down car here. There's traffic, right. So you're helping them build the map. Then there's an additional 30,000. A thousand set of people and those 30,000 people, they're sitting behind the screen, tediously editing a map. So they're saying, like, this street over here is one way speed limit is 35, like very, very kind of tedious stuff in a map. Okay. And so when ways

was sold to Google for like, I think it was about a 1.2 billion. The employees made out fine, the investors made out fine as they should, you know, do not begrudge them at all. But all those people who helped build the map, especially the 30,000 that were tediously sitting many, many hours behind their desk, you know, helping edit and create this map, they got nothing. And

so I think that's fundamentally wrong, right, which is, you know, all of these people in their collective effort is building tremendous value, right. And so that tremendous, maybe Asian to visual didn't really fully appreciate the value of their data in isolation. But when you take all that data together, it's incredibly valuable and they should be rewarded. And so that's where we've gone a little bit of

a different approach and said, look, if you're helping us build this map and this thing is important and valuable to the world, then via the token, you're going to be part of the team that's going to be rewarded for that. Okay. Okay. Very interesting. Very interesting. Now, Hi, Mapper is a strong example of a Web 3 project that stands. Presently for what Web 3.0 has built

for a decentralized system ecosystem where. Power lies in the hands of the people who are in the hands of the people. Why is that version important and how does Hi, Mapper work towards this? Is the question like, I'm trying to break it down there. So this question really like, why is it important to put the power back into the people? Is that really the crux of

the question? Yes. Okay. Um, I mean, I think so. There's a couple of answers to that. One is kind of the previous answer in terms of ways. Right. Which is, you know, frankly, how do we not shaft people? Like if you're doing work and you're contributing work and you're contributing data, you know, I think the days of like, Hey, you know, help us edit this thing

or help us create this thing and like, it's going to be fun. And you'll get a free t shirt. Like, I think most people at this point kind of realize that's like a silly game where all those people who are quote unquote, you know, volunteering or crowdsourcing are getting shafted. If we're really being blind. So I think by returning the power to the people and saying

is like, no, there's a different deal here that we got going on. Right. And I think Web 3 is a great example of how that different deal gets manifested. That's putting power back into people's hands. They know my time, my data has tremendous value. Um, so that's, that's the big it. That that that's where I start. I think the other part is, and this is maybe

a little bit more specific to maps. We only have one earth, right. And there's only one human species on these earth. And that's us. And so, you know, how we navigate this earth is through a map, obviously. And so, you know, what more should be owned, could be owned or is important to be owned by the human species that a map. Right. This is our world.

We're the only human species on it. We need to navigate this world. And we need to do so efficiently to make use of our limited time here. It only makes sense that the map should be owned by the people who help build the map, who inhabit this earth. Um, and so I think that crypto gives us that opportunity to kind of say, look, here's an economic

model that returns power to the people who are actually building the map and also enables us to be the end owners of the map and not one single corporate entity. Okay. And so, could you explain what makes hive map are different from the other. Google maps and Apple maps, most importantly, how a community built map can dethrone these digital mapping giants. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm

going to focus more on Google maps here, because I think Apple, I mean, Apple's taken a little bit of a different approach here. So Google maps is really the primary focus on it. Look. And we talked about this a little bit in terms of how the fact that Google's review cars are very expensive. Right. And so even for Google, you know, you go to a city

like Lagos, Nigeria, Manila, Lagos, Nigeria is 20 million people almost, right. In the last I checked, I think Manila was like at 13 or 14 don't call me on that, but you know, it's a big, you know, region, very, very populated region with amazing people. And, you know, Google is limited, just given how expensive it is to map those areas in terms of how frequently they

can refresh it. Right. And the cost they need to charge. And so that really stifles the coverage, the freshness, as well as the innovation, right. All these other businesses, can you all that. And so our approach is definitely a lot more the repetitive, right. If you put into cold, hard numbers, of 500 million dollar investment will give the high mapping community at large ruffly of millions

dash cams, okay. And so that's the last minute and Google's review cars will get them 1000 dash cams, right. So okay. Orders of magnitude different in terms of the community's ability, the high papras communities ability to get see many more places around the world and then see them more frequently. So that that's really where we start in terms of that coverage and that freshness. And then

the second part is cost, right. Already on the road, right. You're already driving, right. We're not asking people to do things they already do. We can dream. We can offer these products and services to other businesses at much, much more cost effective rates. Now why are a tech monopolies harmful to the global community and why is it important to distribute these patterns. Yeah. Well, this is

definitely a big topic right now, right, which is in the community in the larger kind of tech and crypto. And I think it's a lot of people who are looking to maintain the status quo because the status quo is serving them very well, right. Like if you were running one of those businesses organizations, you would probably make very rational decisions, which is, hey, the status quo

is generating. You know, whatever it is, 25, 30, 40 billion dollars a profit every single year, not a bad deal, right. And you're going to use all those levers of power to maintain that control. And they've done that. And okay, what's the problem with that for society as a whole for society as a whole that means is the next generation of innovative products and services are

going to be that much harder for two reasons. One is the talent, right. Okay. What is Google and many other companies do is they just basically hoard all the talent within their organizations, right. And then the other thing is they will, as things get really potentially competitive, they block them out, right. They block them out from distribution channels, they block them out from monetization, they use

political powers to block them out that ultimately ends up hurting the consumer, right. Because the consumers are not getting those next generation of innovative products. So, yeah, when you understand the consultant services, that 99.9% of time come from the younger company's not the existing companies. Okay, okay, yeah, and I think that now like since the crypto winter is going on, and we're getting like some the

companies that are sticking with it and are actually growing during the tough times are going to have exponential value later on. Let's say you know, you know, we're not going to be able to promote it. But we're on the future when the bull market does come and like just it's just going to be like, how do I say, fulfilling that they that you guys and other

companies have stuck it out and dug through the hard times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we definitely talk about this as a team rise like this is a little bit like war and you're definitely going to be battle hardened by this war whether you like it or not. But you know, it's part of the process right and the part of the journey of building something like

if you're just coming back. And I'm expecting, you know, only good times and only rosy times. Then, you know, I think that's a little bit naive quite frankly. Like you're going to have ups and downs. And you just need to be able to manage both those different. In it, you know, situations. And they call for you know different. Different modes of working and different mentalities at

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description down below. And happy podcasting. Sorry about that man is just the hurricane and the power went out didn't mean to cut you off in the recording. No worries. No worries. So let's see. What was that? Okay. So I believe it got you in the middle of how important is it to foster innovation in the web three. Yeah. Well, I would say a little bit differently.

I would say that it's really important that we build things that are useful to customers. Right. Whether they be businesses or consumers. And that the innovation be focused on that. Right. Like I think there's innovation. That's like technology. And innovation. Like it's kind of interesting and it's cool. And it's, you know, has future potential. But it's a little bit murky is like where that is going

to be applied and what the use cases are and stuff like that. I think it's this phase of crypto. It's like absolutely critical. That the energy and the capital and the focus beyond innovating on behalf of customers. And if there's not a like underlying customer problem that's being solved there. I would be like incredibly skeptical of that thing. Yeah. And innovation is definitely important. Especially, especially

now, like people need to look into the future and see like, all right. Web three is definitely going to be something that everybody's going to be using. So look at it like the Internet in the 90s. Not a lot of people really understood it. But once people started grasping the concept and we're just like, wow, I don't even have to go to the library to research

anything anymore. I just, I have the world and my fingertips, the worldwide web. And Web three is just bringing a different environment to the global world and just trying. And there's just so much that still needs to happen and make it better. Like if you look at Bitcoin, how many like Bitcoin has flaws. And so we have other other blockchains. Technology technologies like ethron, salona isn't

salona. One of your blocks that you guys are using. Yeah, we use blockchain. Sorry, we use the salona blockchain. Yeah, exactly. And Pyogon. So there's so much out there for people to use in the make things better. And that's just an amazing thing. How you guys are diving right in the early days. So this is like we're like babies here. And later on in the future.

We're going to be doing really well for ourselves, especially those who dug it in and went through how many bear markets. This is like my third one. What is this for you? I'm not that early. I mean, I bought some Ethereum fairly early. But I was definitely more like just curious than hardcore about it. Actually, funny story. I bought a couple of big coins early and

then I sold them because I didn't. Some of the Bitcoin Maximals are definitely not going to like this. Because I didn't see the utility in it. And then I bought Ethereum instead because I saw more utility there. But yeah, look, I think that the internet was its thing, you know, and it's been obviously been very, very successful. You know, crypto is its thing and they're different,

right? Like, you know, the crypto in order for crypto to be like successful on a global scale, you know, to impact many, very, many large markets. Like Telecom and like mapping and like navigation and many others, it doesn't have to repeat the exact same playbook as the internet, right? And it brings different things to the table than the internet brought to the table, right? And I

think we have to focus on what are those things that it brings to the table that internet, you know, has already done. You don't need to repeat that. Like they've achieved that. But I think it's a little bit intellectually honest to say that we're the internet ended up, right? In terms of, you know, a couple of large companies effectively controlling, maybe controlling is too strong of

a word, but definitely intermediating every aspect of our lives. And that all of the profits flow, the vast, vast majority of the profits of the industry floated them and the power that they have. I don't think that's good. Right? I'm not saying these companies should go away. Like a Google, you know, I'm not wishing that they go away tomorrow. But I do think that we just

need more diversity. Right? We need to bring new products and services where you as, you know, the consumer and your information is not the product, right? And then we need to, you know, build these products and services in different ways that rewards people for actually helping build these products and services. And I think that's a good thing. And doesn't take advantage of them quite frankly. And

so, you know, a lot of people dis on crypto and say, look at internet. It provided, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, look, what is crypto dad? And I think that's a somewhat fair critique. But I also think it's a little intellectually dishonest in the sense of, you know, where we ended up as a right now is not, is not a great place. And

we can fix that and we can fix that together. Amen, brother. Amen. Now you mentioned products. So do you only have another version of the dash cam coming out like the dash cam s? Is that out yet? It's not out yet. That's kind of one thing I've been focused on all this week. So, you know, before we started this interview, you asked me like, how's your

day going? I was like, you know, diving into this all the challenges that we're facing in terms of getting that product out there. It's an important product. It's a product that obviously I care a lot about. But it's also a hard dash cam to build. There's a lot of technology that we packed into that dash cam. God willing. This is, you know, we don't give up

on thosebt lots of things. But you still think with entrepreneur, so I do think we should do something toaku that's actually going to go in the behind story how that by going down and you're getting to instruments. So what do you think happened to you? Because we've prepared to connect these, you know, Planetless, like, contenttte if not about for real. And why are we seeing this

bottles time many times of jumping out from this? I'm not like that. I'm just like, look, if I had a date that I felt like super confident in, I would tell everybody. So the time frame is, you know, the best case scenario right now would be like early February, we start to ship them. That's the best case scenario. But I don't think that's like a 90%ile.

Okay. So that's what I'm trying to work on is like, how do we get to the point where we're going to be able to do that? We're going to get that, you know, closer to maybe 75 or 80% where people will start to get them. The early orders will start to get them in the February timeframe. All right. All right. I'm looking forward to it. And

I plan on getting some. I want to get a dash cam to you from my vehicle and start earning some honey tokens. Yeah. Collecting. Yeah. We definitely need some more and your neck otherwise for sure. Absolutely. And do you have any like links where people could get the cookies or where can people find you and find these dash cams? Yeah. If you just go to hivemapper.com.

So hive is in be hive and mapper.com. So if you just head over there, you can find the dash cams. You can learn more about their features and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And then if you go on places like Twitter, you can actually like see a lot of people who like now have their dash cam out in the world. You know, they're starting to

take pictures of their own dash cams and, you know, their mounts and all that. All that kind of cool stuff. So, you know, it's not just a marketing page on hivemapper. There's actually like real dash cams out in the world. Napping and doing their thing, which is, you know, the most important thing. I saw that. I saw that. And I will have those links in the

description down below. So make sure whoever's watching our listening to this to check it out. So we're coming close to the end. Is there anything that you want to share that we didn't go over like, what can we look forward to seeing in hive mapper journey within the next three to five years? Yeah, three five years. So the first thing is like, how do we get,

you know, half a million dash cams all over the world. The world is a very, very, very big place, right? And so we got to get dash cams, you know, not just here in the United States, not just, you know, where I live here in California, where there's a bunch. But we got to get them out into, you know, little islands, you know, South America, Asia.

So wherever people are listening, if you have friends in some of these different parts of the world, you know, please share it with them. And you know, the other big thing that we're working on is trying to bring down the cost of the dash cam, right? Is like right now, I think it's like 550. We're running a promotion. I think for about $75 off like, how

do we next year in the year after like, how do we, you know, engage with more hardware partners to help bring down that cost of the dash cam. So that more people can buy it, right? So that will also happen over. And then the other big part is kind of on the customer side, you know, maybe a little bit less interesting to your audience. But I

think it's really important. Obviously is, what are all the different mapping APIs and tools that we can help customers build, right? That's always like the pattern. That that to me is like the fun part in some ways, because that's where the all the work of all the community kind of comes together and culminates where, you know, we were talking about the example of, you know, your

neck of the woods where there was recently a hurricane. Like, how do you remap that super quickly and get all that information out to the right people? That that's a lot of fun and very rewarding also. Hey, I'll absolutely be glad to participate in this in this business venture and become like become a high map, pioneer in a sort of way. And maybe go down to

history books, who knows? Yeah, no, we would love to. We would love to have you and it is an incredible journey and the community is amazing. So we would love to have you. I appreciate this time. All right, man. Hey, I'm honored to have you on the show. I wish you and your team the best and with your endeavors and hey, hope to have you on