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Ukrainian FM predicts challenges to Putins power

Jun 27, 2023 · 9m 13s

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Did you have any intelligence pointing to an insu like we saw? No, we did not have any specific information with kind of the timeline of pos implementation of precautions pl But for us, it has always been pretty obviou that it's just a matter of time when someone in Russia will dare to challenge Putin, because we saw how his power and authority is shrinking and how Russia

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is entering very difficult turbulence. So precaution is just the first one who dared But I have no doubts that others will follow one way or another. Do you think that Vladimir Putin in command and in power in Moscow right now Well, that's a tricky question. Formally, yes, I think he's stil the center of power insist in th but to many parts or elements of the system.

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So the obvious that he can be ch and that some decisions can be t without his clearance. So what he's probably trying to now is to reassert his control over the system. I doubt he will succeed. But that's my that's my assessme What we've seen is just another the next phase of the disintegration of Russia, of Putin's power vertical. And it's unavoidable This is not. This

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is the process you can try to slow down, but you cannot stop it. We saw similar processes in the past. I want to ask you one important thing about this. We understand from our reporting that U.S. officials had extremely detailed advance warning of precautions, for Wagner troop movements and everything that we saw unfold this weekend, but that they did not share this with Ukraine because they

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were concerned that those communications would be interested Right. It was a concern about intercept Do you think that's a fair conce Well, we enjoy a very good level of intelligence cooperatio With the United States. But, of course, in the end, the United States decides on the volume of information that can be shared What is important, I think, since the events were taking place in the territory

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of Russia, that's one thing. But if anything had been planned in the territory of Ukraine, I have no doubts that the US administration, Biden administra would have would share this information wit But when it comes to Russia, this is a slightly different slightly different story. So you're not angry that they didn't share that info No, no, no. I feel I only feel this and I only

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feel frustrated with the United States when decisions on delivering certain types of weapons to Ukra take more time than I wish it to But overall, we are extremely gr to the Biden administration and to the people of the United for everything they are doing fo So has the rebellion in Russia, as you've seen over just these past few days. And I know it's sort of still

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the fog and chaos of it, but has it changed anything on the front lines? I spoke to a drone operator, Ukrainian drone He's operating near Baku. And he was saying on Saturday they felt a palpable panic from the Russia But that it then subsequently returned to what he said would be quote unquote normal in terms of their behavior. If this mutiny had lasted for 48 hours

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more, I am pretty certain we would hav a demoralizing impact on the Russian forces fighting in the south and east of Ukraine. Unfortunately, Prigozhin gave up too quickly, so there was no time for this, just a little demoralizing effec penetrate Russian trenches. When Putin finally spoke, he obviously didn't mention percussion by name. He talked about traitor and trea But he didn't he didn't use his Lukashenko

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supposedly brokered the whole deal, did a press conference today. Guess what? He didn't mention Prigozhin at a What do you think is happening h And because it is so significant for Bognor and which has been so important in this war. Do you have any sense as to where Prigozhin is? I don't care who really. But there was a picture of a Wag being stuck in between

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the gates of the circus in the city of Rostov. And I think that this is the bes to explain in a nutshell. The current situation of Wagner stuck in the middle of it is still a war machine, but it is stuck in a circus of Russian politics. I don't I think Wagner will not continue its existence, as in the in the current form But I don't

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really care what is what is going to happen because, you know, we think about what is happening in Ukraine, but if it changes its existence in its current form, that could have huge implications for you. I mean, we've been talking about for months, right? Bognor troops being so central. So if it changes its existence, then that remains to be seen. When you fight a war, what

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really matters is the type of engagement on the battlefield. So, yeah, if Wagner if Wagner disintegrates or falls into pieces, but part o move to the regular and will become part of the regu Russian army and end up on the frontline fighting in exactly the same way as they did being part of Wagner then the change will not be that But if something deeper and more

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damaging will happen to them, and some of them, some of, for e some of the veterans with excellent fighting records will will decide to retire entirely. Yes, that th And what is your the greatest challenge that you're facing in doing that right now on those fr where that daily fighting is hap Uh, minefields, reinforced, uh, defensive lines. And, uh, don't Russia's domination in the air. These

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are the three factors that cause the biggest problems for u But against the background of these factors, we are still moving forward stea I understand that people will we are a generation of Netflix and everyone wants a blockbuster sometimes things take time to evolve, especially when life of people, real human beings is is at stake. One big question out there remains the nuclear question. And obviously,

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the Ukrainian intelligence chief Putin has drafted and approved those are his words, plans to attack this Operation Nuclear Power Plant, which as we know, is the largest in Europe. President Zelensky has also warned of such a possible attack recent How real is this risk, do you th As long as the Parisian nuclear power plant remains in the hands of Ru The risk is real. The question

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I think Russia is struggling wit is the problem of attribution, b of course, they don't want to be blamed for another nuclear disaster. So I think they're struggling to find a way to to perform it as as a false flag operation something else that would not be directly attributable to them. And this is why it gets so important. And I want really to take the op

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of this conversation to really call spade a spade, because what international media was the explosion at the new coc when they cast doubt about who did it That is exactly what Russia is looking for. To cast doubt and throw shadow.

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