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He has been scared: Ex-Russian official discusses Putins mindset

Jun 28, 2023 · 5m 45s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k277iwtkRWs

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This new video that we're seeing of Putin greeting crowds of supporters in Now, with me now is Andre was there and he is the former foreign min our minister of foreign affairs of the Russian Federation. He's also the author of The Fire The Elusive Fate of Russian Demo And I really appreciate your tim I want to just start with this n Right. This is Putin making

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a surprise appearance to Russian people, understandably. He wanted this video. This is the video they're puttin All of this is true. But still, when is the last time you saw Pu do something like this? When I when I saw him is when he's in t Either he wants to show that he sends popular support before. Of course, false a rigged elections. But he needs kind of

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vaulting and he needs kind of legitimacy from that voting. So that's when he recalls that there are people th And when he is scared, he has been scared by the events But those events now are going, you know, into hi And it was not an uprising. It was not a putsch. It was just a brawl between the Mafia members. For the high position in the organization.

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But that was scary because one o was quite an army So The Wall Street Journal is re that Prigozhin actually planned to capture top Russian military and that was his goal. And the way they write it is thi They say, quote, Western officials said they believe the original p had a good chance of success. But failed after the conspiracy was leaked, forcing Prigozhin to improvise an

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alternative plan. Andre, do you think promotion's would have succeeded if he was going to go in and kid or take senior Russian military You think that that would have w if he had you know, if it didn't leak and he had gon with it why not? And then, yes, as I said, look at the Mafia or, you know, other criminal organiz which they are in Russia

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that the whole government they are fighting for, they are a piece of pie and they always want to be on to And that there was quite the brawl between Prigozhin and the leadership of the Ministry o and I believe that many, many mi people in Russia are very upset of the war and very upset of the Ukrainian resistance. And they don't respect the elite of the

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ministry But that does not mean that he or they are ready to overthrow Putin because of his force yet existent legitimacy in the eyes of many Do you think that Prigozhin is n I mean, we see others, right, as a father. His daughter, you know, drew a picture of Ukrainian flag He gets sentenced immediately to two years in a penal colony. A Kremlin critic, Ilya Yashin.

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Eight and a half years because he he had a live stream where he left on the Internet live, called Put the worst butcher in this war. Vladimir Kara-Murza, the prominent journalist. 25 years after Russia, said he spread fak about the military. But Prigozhin for now is free. He didn't just criticize Putin's military. Day in and day out for the past eight months, in unbelievable terms, he

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led an armed rebellion. So is he just going to go free Yes. Precaution is one of the of the organization. He criticized some by the inside the mafia for being for not being effectiv But he never kind of called it s He kind of hinted on various thi But everybody knew that he was not challenging a political name or challenging in serious terms of the war

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itse He was a war criminal. He is of the word himself. So that's different that those people could be kille could be a poisoned. And still it's not the end of th But in jail, there are people which you named and not only, of course, to the so to say, those are political o of the whole organization, of the criminal element. They want real change. You

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know, they are for democracy And it's the opposition and that's why they are in jail. All right, Andre, thank you very We appreciate your time.

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