4,000 Kilometers On Foot: Nedd Brockmanns Epic Run

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like wriggling, like in terms of like the run pain, and I'm just like my eyes are on the back of my head. I'm going, this is what am I doing? Like I am in the middle of freaking South Australia, and the doctor goes, look mate, it is gonna fucking kill you to run. But it was never like, I'm gonna quit. We're coming out of my mouth!

Ned Brockman reached his goal of raising a million dollars. He raised more than that to combat homelessness. The 23 year old Sparky receiving a rock star reception is in grand the final steps to bond by beach. Today I have the distinct pleasure of sitting down with Ned Brockman. In this conversation we cover why he got into running, how he progressed so quickly. The motivation behind his

trans-Australia adventure. The many extraordinary obstacles that he faced and overcame along the way, including a near debilitating injury suffered early in the campaign. We discuss his post run PTSD, how he's dealing with sudden kind of overnight fame, his new role as an inspirational figure. Most importantly, what we can all learn from his example when it comes to human potential and the power we all have to

do amazing things. When the mind and the body and the spirit are totally dialed in. And also this insane story about his toe becoming maggot infested. 40K into the run, it's pissing down rain. And I thought it must be water in my toe. So I've pulled my socks off and then like, I've got maggots in my toe. It was like five maggots in there. Ned is

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collective podcast on which I was a guest recently. So check that out. Anyway, thank you, Gary. Thank you, Peter. So here we go. This is me and Ned Brockmouth. I'm super excited to be with you here today. A legend in the flesh. I'm going to be a fan of my sabbatical here in Byron Bay. And typically I don't do any podcasts or any work. I try

to avoid everything. But come on, man. I'm here. I got to get together with Ned. We have to make it happen. I know. And you drove eight hours from Sydney to come up here. Yeah. I was just established that you at flu 15. So I met my dad right now. We're up. We hate to ask him very excited. I appreciate it. Man. I was just so

enthralled and enamored. Not just by the sheer physical and mental feat of you running across Australia. But really, how you comported yourself throughout that experience and the manner in which you shared all your vulnerabilities throughout that insane adventure. I'm excited to unpack it with you. And I think, you know, I'm thinking about why I wanted to do this and what makes you special. As you might

suspect, I'm on the receiving end of a lot of messages. Alerting me about this person and that person doing. There's always somebody doing something crazy. Right. I can imagine. And after a while, I sort of become immune to it. I'm like, okay, that's cool. Amazing. You know, had had off to that person. But it those, those feats have become less and less interesting to me. Unless

there's a compelling story behind it. And you're such a unique character. I think I said to a friend like this guy. Is not only supremely authentic. He is also like the most Aussie Aussie in the history of all Aussies. Like you're a full on character. I guess the link is strong in May in the mallet and the trade. I guess it's pretty Aussie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I've had the the honor to talk to a bunch of guys who run across the United States. Yep. Helice Debe. Robbie Ballinger. I did one with Mike Wardian that hasn't come up yet. Ricky Gates. I reached out to all those guys. Yeah. I'm going to be I'm going to be getting together with Ned and they're all fired up. They all followed you. And they're all like

massive fans. Yeah. And I asked them for some questions to ask you, which we'll get to. I'm amazing. It's not a problem. Yeah. I actually like Robbie and hella. I remember a message with me. Robbie. Yeah. Robbie said he talked to your crew recently. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, to have that, you know, I kind of it's now almost worldwide. There's people all

over the country. He's been able to been able to talk to about their experiences and it's been pretty pretty wild. Yeah. It's the best of what social media has to offer. Social media has a lot of problems. But a lot more negative than positive, but when you can use it for the good. The ability to just inspire people all over the world without any kind of

filter or middle map. Absolutely. Powerful thing. And you were like this amazing example of that. Yeah. Thank you. People all over the world. But what clinched it for me was, you know, I was like, oh, this guy's Ned's doing this. Okay. Sort of paying attention from a distance. Like, that's cool. But it wasn't until you rolled into Bondi and I saw thousands of people there. And

I was like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. How did that happen? Because my friends who've run across the United States, they finish their friends are there, families there. It's pretty uneventful in terms of, you know, kind of mass enthusiasm about that accomplishment. But in your case, it felt like the entire country was just holding their breath, waiting for you to finish this thing. And

the kind of reception that you received at the finish line was something I've never seen. Like, how did that? Is that just an Australian thing? Or like, what was that about? I think the Aussie thing was a part of it. But I also think it was quite a, I would almost say it's been a pretty crappy time for people and trying to come out of COVID.

And it's been like everyone's trying to do more stuff now. And so this, it was almost as shining light in a kind of, you know, crappy time. And so people were just relying on me to show up each day and kind of used me as a fuel for them. Yeah. By, you know, I was, I was showing up and I got quite injured along the run.

And, and, but I was showing my, as you said, vulnerability day in day out, whether I was feeling amazing, I'd be screaming at the thing saying I'm feeling amazing. Or I'd be crying and, and just showing all the hurt I was feeling. I think people were like, oh my God, if this, you know, powerful person can do this, I can too. And I can get behind

it. And, and so yeah, the further and further I got and the more and more I showed myself and what I was doing. And like the original goal was 100 K day, and which is 60 odd miles, 62 miles. Right. Um, and I stuck to that, stuck true to that for the first 11 12 days and then got a pretty severe shin injury. And I kind

of, I went disappeared for one day on social media. I was so present, you know, posting my daily update. Yeah, there was a gap on Instagram feed and a couple days there. I recognized I can I got a good 100 messages going, made a U.K. And meanwhile, I was 14 hours away from where I marked the pink line on the road and getting an injection and

trying to work out of plans to get back and get running again. And then yeah, the day after I just screamed, it's fucking out on the screen. And then people just like, oh my God, he's back. And it just, yeah, built this momentum, which was just. Gives me goosebumps thinking about bond, I like that. No scenes there and coming down and I wish I could really

live it. But it was such, it was over in a flash. Right. Yeah. I've spent a lot of time thinking about the power of inspiration and the difference, the qualitative difference between aspiration and inspiration. So I know like David Goggins is like a North star for you. He's somebody who's unbelievably, you know, powerful and his ability to motivate people and and be this, you know, kind

of beacon of inspiration. But there's something inaccessible about him. He's so extreme, right? And he's so taciturned. And so I think it's a challenge for somebody to kind of emotionally relate to his interior experience because it's so, you know, on that far end of that spectrum, whereas you fall more into this, you know, kind of in the middle between aspiration and inspiration, because people can see

themselves in you because of that willingness on your part to be vulnerable to show the warts and to talk about how much you're hurting and how much you ate it. Right. How it sucks. And like all of that. Absolutely. Even like, like for me, Goggins was not, it still is a big form of inspiration for me. And it kind of kicked my mindset into gear, like

kind of kicked me into a, oh, you can actually tap into that and start doing more, you know, with your day and start running more and start, you know, doing uncomfortable things. And then I was exactly that. I found that it's not all about staying hard all the time. Like I tried to emulate that a bit. But it's just you'll burn out. Like there is no,

I just don't know how it's possible to continue to be like that. Because if you do something, for example, run across a country and, you know, averaging 80k a day or 85 plus, who are going to crash at the end of that? Yeah, it's not going to go smooth. No. And you're like, you're adrenal fatigue, you're mental state and that, you know, you have to keep

showing up and you have to keep getting in that mindset of fight or flight every day. So when you do get out of that, it's like your body is going, oh, he's resting now. Let's chill out. And if you keep trying to fight that, it's just going to, it's going to end badly. Right. So I think there's beauty in getting really uncomfortable and showing out when

it's the time to, but when it is the time to not, it's like allow yourself to relax and appreciate what your body's done for you. Because, you know, you've only got one of them, you've only got one set of legs. It's like, you've got to, you know, allow it to be, be, settled down. Yeah. We're going to go through all of it. But I want to

start with like how you're doing now, because in the post mortem, how many months has it been now? Like three months, three months, right? Like so, how is the body doing? How are you doing physically? And how are you doing emotionally? Like what is this, you know, a couple months, Ben like for you? Yeah, it's been, it's been interesting. And it's like, I don't really know

how you navigate these things unless you do a lot of them, right? Mm hmm. My, physically I'm actually pretty good now. I've got to still got like, you know, fat pad and my feet issues, because I was running on just tired, no dirt, no grass. Um, and then I've got like a few hip wear and tear, like, uh, glued me tendons. Um, but other than that,

I'm pretty, pretty good to be honest. I've been running, um, just like sort of back in the case. Um, and strength training in the gym stretching, doing all the stuff emotionally and like, um, you know, spiritually, I'm like exhausted, yeah. Still not waking up. Like I usually, in the, in the go time, I'm a 4am wake up, go, go. You know, there's no stopping. Uh huh.

But now I'm like, it's like 6am and I'm like, open my eyes. I'm like, what's going on here? Um, sun's up. So that's usually a bit hard for me when I see the sun up when I'm usually used to getting up before it and go getting it. Um, but I'm, I'm getting that it's like I had a rough, I had a rough probably, month in the

middle where I almost a lack of purpose. So you've, you know, I've had this idea of this two year goal, got the goal, woke up every day thinking about it, when sleep thinking about it. And then to be finished and then to, you know, have nothing almost to push for. It's not that I don't have any, uh, other goals or any other, you know, happiness in

my life. It's just that when you're so devoted to something, it's really hard to, you know, oh, amazing. Now let's get on with the next step. I think it's like, I've got to be, be okay with sitting back and trying to ponder what I've just done and, and, and, and appreciate it, you know, so yeah, I had a tough for four, four weeks or so, where

I just found myself a bit lost. Um, but yeah, I, I guess I've, I think that's probably the lack of exercise to be perfectly honest when you're moving for seven hours a day, you need to, uh, you know, you go cold turkey on it, you're not going to be able to feel that same excitement. So, um, but yeah, I'm actually, I'm pretty, um, I'm not going

to be able to do that. I'm really happy with where I'm at at the moment. And I've just got to appreciate that my body has done a lot for me. But you did, you have talked about PTSD, like night terrors, the alarm would go off and send you into a panic, thinking you, you know, you get up and run 100k. And like the kind of, you

know, the emotional residue of, of like enduring that trauma and having such an intense experience. Yeah, absolutely. And the, the pay test day, I think that started probably 10 days into the run to be honest. Like a straight, it's, I don't know about America. I know it's pretty, there's a lot of people in America, but it's pretty similar distance running across, there's running across Australia or

a thousand, probably a thousand K. Yeah. Well, 4,000 K versus like 3,100 miles. Oh, because of five and a bit. It's in the range. I guess. So it's, it's, yeah. So for me, it's like when you get out of WA. So we're in Australia after about 400 K, it's pretty remote. So you go from civilization and people to maybe a town, every 200 kilometers. And then

in the middle of it, there's nothing for like 800 kilometers. Yeah. That's so, yeah. And so when you get to, so you go your head east, you go down, and then you literally at, it's called Norseman, you head across and you don't see really any people until you hit New South Wales to be pretty honest. And so that's scary. And knowing that you've had, you've got

900 kilometers in your legs, you've got a good 11 days sting of running 100 kilometers a day with no health care, not really any access to good food. You know, you're very isolated, no service. So you can't reach out to many people if, you know, it does go wrong. So that gets you incredibly on edge. And so the fact that it was feeling like I was

almost going to war like, okay, this is it. We're going. This is we're out in the depths of hell here. So yeah, I think I knowing I had to put my head and body through that. When I would go to sleep overnight in one of these road houses, which is all that they have in these towns is just like a place to sleep. I mean, what

are those like bonk houses or something? Are they like, like, molletels? Well, they're just like fuel stations with a few beds in it. Um, I mean, I think that's a lot of people who are in the area of the area of the city. And the food is like your ship hub, or steak or chicken, snitzel or, you're not getting like, you'd be tough to be a

vegan out there. I'll tell you that. The hot chips. Vegan pad Thai. Yeah. No, no, no, no, definitely not. Um, and so for me, I'm like, well, and even like a chicken, snitzel chips and veggies that's like, I got all the oils and all this. It's like not the greatest nutrition. But for me, I was just craving this. Whatever I could get there, I would eat,

you know, and so overnight, on the night, on the run, I would be waking up in the middle going, who's taking me back? So I would have these like out of body feelings. I'd be waking up going, oh, fuck, I'm 300 meters, 300 kilometers back from where I was. So I'd wake up in this terror of, oh, no, I've got to run an extra 300 kilometers

on top. Like someone's taking me back in the middle of the night. Um, but yeah, so a combination of all that when I did finish, I was, because there's so many road trains as well. Like, you know, 50 meters long, 120 plus tons. So that wind when it's coming out is like, yeah, road trains are just the 18 wheelers, the big, the trucks, the cargo trucks.

Yeah, the 18 wheeler is one carriage. So there's like four carriages. Oh, wow. Yeah, they're like Australia's pretty well run off trucks. Um, where they just going every three minutes, probably across the country. So that road I run is really only for trucks, to be honest. And so they would just go every three minutes. So I would even, I mean, I'm not sure if I can

get a car. I don't know if I had music that just be this like, wrong, wrong, I pass you every time. And so when it, when you're in that mode, it's like, it's just, you, you can't control it, but you still, there's nothing you can do about it. And so there's no shoulder really. Right? Absolutely. And any, if I was to run on the like rocky

dirt on the side, it'd be on a tilt of 30 degrees, which meant, you know, the body's out of the line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, definitely no. The shoulder was all of the foot. And so that's the thing. So I'm getting brushed and I'm, you know, some trucks were pretty good to me. But a lot, we're like, you know, and so yeah, I just, when

I finished the run, I was probably for the first week out. I'd wake up just like screaming, just going like dodging trucks in my sleep and, you know, like going, oh, no, I'm back on the road. And so yeah, that, that hurt a bit. But I got on top of that. No, I'm not still thinking about trucks at night. Yeah. And what about the brain? Like

I've spent time with the iron cowboy, James Lawrence. Yeah. I was, I was, I was, I was there for the final day of his 100, you know, consecutive Iron Man's and how he's, he gone. He, he's, you know, he, he's been pretty transparent about how difficult the recovery has been. And the brain fog and, you know, his inability to like, he's probably, I'm sure he's fine,

fine now or at least mostly fine. But, you know, he was concerned that his body might not ever recover. His brain was having difficulty. I know you talked about some brain fog stuff. I mean, you know, sort of healing the shin and all that other stuff is one thing. But, you know, your cognition and just the emotional like, you know, waking, like you talked about like

spitting all the time because you used to do that. You could stop spitting. No, and I would words again, I woke up in the middle of my after the rant and spout at the wall. My girlfriend was like, you can't do that. It was, it was like, it was because you're getting the, the red dust. Yeah, just so much. And I even, I even had like

my air pods in all the time, right? And so I must have just been pushing dust in there. And when I went on a bit of a holiday, when I finished, I couldn't hear out of this left ear. I'm going, I was going on, but I got near check. I was just so much build up of red dust. Right. And I was like, oh, this is

not good. Have you had like blood test done and stuff like that? And then after math, I was low iron. And like a few other things. I was still inflamed internally. So potentially a blue problem. But yeah, it was, it's all sorted. Right. Just good. And but yeah, back like on the, on the trance, like on the, we've like the same as iron cowboy. It's like,

when I finish the run, you know, I'm doing all these media, you know, yeah, media, all these things. And I actually limited it as much so possibly could. But when I'm in them, I'm talking like I'm there, but I'm also talking like I'm out of it. So I'm in this confusion between the two. And so when I get prompted question, I would be like, oh, God,

I'm, you know, this is really hard for me to talk about. It might be either the trauma or the fact that I am still trying to process it. So I was finding that really, really hard. And so I feel these chats I'd have I just go blank. And then I'm going to do all these things. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry guys.

Actually, like, I think this is like my brain trying to block out what I've just been through. Right. But now I'm, it's cool. Cause I'm, you know, starting to do a few canoes and get the words, you know, try and actually work out what I was feeling. And it's, yeah, it's pretty insightful, I guess. Have you, do you have a therapist that you're working this stuff

through with or I haven't, I haven't yet. I had them in place, but I've, there is obviously clearly benefit in having therapists. But for me, I wanted to try and say how I'd go manage it myself. But yeah, I, I guess there's, I, you know, giving me, it would be good to get tools to be able to deal with it much easier than having to, you

know, find my, find the way myself. So you just turned 24, right? Just yeah. So you were 23 when you did this incredibly young, uh, most big ultra endurance feats are people that are in there, you know, at least like their middle eight 30s, if not 40s, and into that even their early 50s. It's like, uh, you know, it's like a sport that a lot of

athletes get into later in life when they've got a lot of case under the belt. Absolutely. You know, the bones and so it's very, yeah, it's very unusual for somebody so young. I think it's, it's cool. Like the ultra world is exploding and more and more young people are getting into it earlier than traditionally has been the case. But, you know, the added kind of flavor

here is that you've only been running two years, right? You didn't get into running until you were like 21. Yeah. Literally. Um, yeah, I just honestly was about to have a shower. I'd looked into the mirror and I saw a back fat. I'm like, I'll go start running. And that was when I was just started just 10, 20 month. Uh-huh. So you grew up, you grew

up on like a farm, right? Like not, like, sort of how far like not in not anywhere near Sydney. No, no, we're at 600 kilometers. So west of Sydney, pretty well bang smack in the middle of New South Wales. Uh-huh. Yeah. We were 60 K from town. So, the nearest town to the healthcare for whatever was 60 kilometers away. That's, yeah, obviously people would have thought,

am I running the town? Are you sharing my running? No, I didn't. Um, yeah. And we, we, I mean, I always, we always did sport like rugby and swimming, but it was never, it was all our parents choice, not us. And I would have loved to have not. But then I found a love for sport probably through going to high school. And then just fell out

of love with it when I finished high school. And I, you know, do whatever, 20, 21 year old would do and went out partying, went out drinking, you know, skip exercise. And yeah. And then I saw a little bit of back fat and thought I had to get on with it. Yeah. Yeah. So you, you moved to Sydney to become an electrician. Right. So you're doing

your apprenticeship. You know, lifestyle caught up to you a little bit. Yeah. On the early side though, you're lucky man. Yeah. I don't have that kind of a Tiffany until they're absolutely. Middle East or something. That's probably 40. That's probably the distinct correlation between ultra and the starting at 40. Uh-huh. Yeah. Just had a bit of a lot of. Yeah. Yeah. You an early mid life

crisis. A young life crisis. That's right. Right. Absolutely. So, so where does the impulse? So you, so you have this realization like, you know, I don't, I don't like the back fat or whatever. So where's the leap to putting on the running shoes come from? Just that's the easiest way to. And then went. Um, and ran and went on the year that I, you know, food

in, I knew that you had a bit more, you're a bit less and run a bit more, you'll burn, burn the fat. I have a pretty good basic knowledge of, you know, strength training and all this stuff through sport. Um, but I just went, I'm going to get out. And so I actually started doing it literally for weight loss. But when I quickly realized what the

feeling I was getting of this of running kilometers, I was like, oh, wow. So then I just literally went, okay, ran 5K, ran 10K next time, ran 15K, then literally by two weeks later, I was running 21K, never run up over six kilometers before, rather than the, you know, school cross country. And all of a sudden, I'm running half marathon. I went, ran 30K. And then

I asked him, I had to say, do you want to go run a marathon today? And I just went and ran a marathon. So I was just like this. Oh, and then I heard people would, you know, run Marathons. And I never even thought of it. Like, that was a wild thing for me. Um, so this is all in a matter of like six months. And

then, um, I'd heard of altruz. I heard people would run 60, 80, 100 kilometers. And I'm like, this is, this is pretty cool. I'll see if I can do it. And then, yeah, within, within a year, I had finished a 100 K run and 50 marathon's and 50 days. Within a year, within a year. So the, the 50 Marathons and 50 days was still within one

year of you beginning running. Yeah. And, and like the 100 K and those other, you know, running the marathon, those weren't races. You, you just, I just got, you just got up in the morning. I was like, I'm going to do this. Yeah. I actually got home. I actually literally got home from work and went and brought us. We were eight, 10 hour day work, get

home, tried an app, couldn't app, because I'm so excited about the thought of running 100 kilometers, um, put my pack on. I, all I had was a muffin, a banana and two of the water bottles. And then I came back with the two water walls, empty, I didn't fill them up. I just literally had no idea about nutrition or hydration or electrolytes. Um, got there, got

50 K by, uh, two o'clock in the morning, turned around, ran home, found, like found a way I didn't obviously know what any water was. Right. But you, you could, like, stop a gas station. Yeah. I could, I could get like water. For me, I was, I didn't even touch the water till I was at 30 K, because I'm trying to, trying to keep it to,

yeah, use it for later. And then I literally had a muffin and a banana. That was all my nutrition. And, you know, I know how many people you know, it's gels and cliff bars and everything. And I was just, I think, I guess I was like, I'll call out now, run 100 K with minimal nutrition. Like I can, what else can I do? Yeah. Just kind

of like a late bulb moment. Yeah. I got, I got something in my tank. I was just hungry to see what actually could do. Uh-huh. It wasn't like, you know, find your possibilities. It was like, I'm actually sure where I can, where these stops. So let's go find it. And then I remember running the 100 K and being in that, like, immense pain, but like, you

know, that awesome feeling when you finish laying in bed, looking up at the roof going, I'm going to do something in the next day. I posted a thing I'm in Instagram saying we're around 50 miles and 50 days in a month. And then I'd never back to back any runs like that. And I did a half marathon and a half marathon, like 21, 21, like two

days later, back to back and went, I'll be sweet. And yeah. And so I am on August, no, September the first, I did it all with August the first I posted that. And then September the first, I was working full time while I was running the marathons. And you know, I'd finish work about three 30 shoes on a full run out the door and run for

four and a half hours and get home and go again. Wow. Yeah. Um, there's something really powerful about the naivete of the whole thing. Yeah. I think a lot of people get up in their heads. And they have an aspiration. I'm going to run a marathon or I'm going to do a 50 K or even outside of running some other challenge. But then they sort of

get lured into this analysis paralysis. Like, oh, I got to have a tempest like when I got to work out the logistics and then the date for the start date, it keeps getting pushed back out of fear or whatever. But the impulse to just like be like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm going to do it anyway. And I have that confidence to do

it. And like the fact that you just ran a Palm Beach, you like, there's a lot of instances in your story where you're just out over your skis. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like, like when you started the run across Australia, like, I've heard you talk about like not knowing that there was all kinds of elevation in Western Australia, right? Like, you didn't even get a topo map and

figure out like, I mean, what you were dealing with. I knew there was about 20,000 people would have that like fully mapped out. I had the room. That's all I have. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I saw there was 20,000 meters elevation over the whole country. And I went, it must be in New South Wales. So I can all be fined by then to run elevation. And

yeah, it was obviously not. There was always a lot in WA. Yeah. Probably about 8,000 meters elevation on the first 12 days. Uh-huh. But yeah, it's, it's just like, I think people, as you said, people just overthink it and get so stuck on the fact, you know, there's all this scientific research that you've got to incrementally load by 10% each week if you want to start

instead of otherwise, you'll get a stress fracture. You'll get this or that. I'm going, I'm young, bones are strong. You know, I'm good. I'll be right. And if I'm not, I'm not. And more times than not, I'll find that actually was okay. And I think, you know, as soon as you have that mindset of like, oh, you know, something could go wrong. The first moment of

anything slightly off the track of what you planned will be gone. Mm-hmm. You'll be done. Yeah. And it's not without its perils though. Like we're going to get to day 11. Yeah. What happened there? So, you know, maybe a little, a little bit of wisdom and preparation might have avoided that. Yeah. Who knows? But I guess my preparation is more mental at this, like still. I

don't, I obviously, like, I strength train a lot. I do a lot of training. My case, I like to be probably underperioding kilometers, but overperperiod in strength training. But when you put out what you're doing and you've put it out there, you've got on, you know, today show live television and said, I'm running across the country in September, you can't, you can't pull out of it.

And that's a powerful accountability. Absolutely. And I love the whole nation. Yeah. Absolutely. And they're while they're eating their wheatbeaks. And I, yeah, I once you put it out there, you can't, you can't. So, but I had, I had three MRIs in my TBR from April till September. September was the start. And I had three MRIs to stress, stress fracture in my TBR. Mm-hmm. Because I

was just so aware of it. So my kilometers were like, all of 40 plus K a week. Yeah. Well, a couple thoughts on that. I mean, first of all, you can't, there's limits to how much you can train to prepare for running across the country. Right? Like, it's more important, like, to your point of, of making sure that your strength training is on point. And, and

being fresh when you start, like, you can't show up tired because you've been, you know, cranking out so much volume. Right? And Diane cowboy talks about this. Like, when he, he barely did any running before the hundred. Yeah. Ironman's because he just figured he would walk and run his way into that fitness. And too much running ahead of time would set him up for injury. Absolutely.

I think if you're running, you know, if you're to run 700 kilometers a week, like, the time it would take you to be able to run 500 kilometers a week consistently would be so long. Like, you know, you, it's just so much time on your feet throughout your training. Like, you just can't do that. Yeah. But getting your head around it and getting your strength and

your, you know, time on your feet, you, you, it's just an on game. Yeah. So walk me through the, the kind of mental decision, once you did the 50 marathons and 50 days, I'm sure that was a huge accomplishment. And made you feel like you were capable of even greater things. It's a leap to say, okay, now I'm going to not only run across Australia, but

I'm going to break the record, which was 42, 43, 43, 24, 3.5. Yeah. Yeah. So, so how did you land on that? I was, so it was actually midway through the 50 marathons. When I got to day 10, I was like, I'm going to do this. No worries. What's next? I want to have that in my head because, you know, how's saying, you know, when I,

you feel a bit lost after you want to kind of have what you want. And so, yeah, I was running and I did the run and I met up with a mate after I finished the marathons and we're sitting in in the pub having a snitzel and he's like, I told him I plan on running it. I think 60 K day. But I think that's what

I'm going to do. Because again, this, well, the Guinness record was like 67. And he goes, why don't I sure this people have done it quick? I went, all right. I know how to look and I saw that it was 43. And I go, what's that average out to be? And it's like it was, I mean, it was 93 K day or something to beat it.

And I went 100 K day. Be pretty cool. And then I looked up the guys, you know, people in America running for some American and people suddenly, he's, you know, ran 114 K day or something. And like, how do I do that? And so, you know, someone's done something. What is limiting me from not being able to do that? Why is it that someone can, you

know what I mean? Like that mental block isn't there for me. But where does that come from? Was that instilled in you by your parents, like that level of confidence and capability? I think so. I think it comes from them allowing them. I can believe in allowing in doing something comes from belief in you to do whatever you want. So why as long as you're allowed

and you allow yourself to be okay with getting whatever it is, I think that is the crucial part. So not having your, not basing your, the idea of achieving a goal as your, who you are, but achieving whatever you want. So like, when you, if you don't get the record, then it doesn't matter. But if you do, if you don't get the record and you haven't

been okay with who you are, you're going to probably, you know, I mean, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to really align yourself worth with this record. So you're, you know, not worthy of getting it. For me, I'm just okay with who I am. So whether I go out on a limb and I've, you know, failed, but I've

still tried. I've no issue with that. So by being, like, my parents have always been like, just whatever it is, do it, but do it with absolute conviction. Don't, you know, sit back, do it half-hour. And I was always like, I wrote when I wrote at school, I was always, you know, I was never in the top boat, but I was always like, how come you

get this top boat? I was never in the first 15, but I was like, I want to get in this football team, like so badly. So I'd rock up the training earlier. I'd run to training, all right. Just all just a combination of things. And I think watching Dad as well on the farm, like, has never complained his whole life. And he's, you know, rocked up

to work every single day for 40 plus years. And so, but not, not just talking about it, but actually seeing him do it. That was kind of a big thing for me. So I guess, another thing I went back to the farm and saw him actually just show up again, again, again, I'm like, this plug is the biggest workhorse I've ever met. Like, and to see

how hard he has worked, that for me was like, oh, you can actually just keep doing this. I guess, yeah, I just came about by that, I guess. Yeah. And your parents were part of your crew. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty. What was their response when you told them that you wanted to do this? Mum was all for it. She was like, whatever you, that's what

you want to do on supportive of you, but just don't have to ask it. Don't, you know, don't get all these sponsors and then get half way through and go off. I don't know how I can do this. So, but yeah, and mother's love is, you know, her sitting back and watching me put myself through that was a lot. And I can tell you every day

she would have been going, I want to tell him to stop. But if I do, it's going to shitty mouth because, you know, the plan was 100 K day. This is what we do. Yeah. But to have them there for the whole thing for 47 days, you know, you leave school, you leave, you know, your parents, they're, you know, gone. You're probably on the same for

Christmas or New Year's or, you know, you birthed that potentially and but to spend 47 days with them on the road, you know, so intensely was a life memory, you know, yeah. Yeah. If you are truly desiring of mastering your plate, but you feel like you lack the skill in the kitchen or the time or the culinary acumen, you believe you require, I can't stress enough

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this announcement, you're preparing, you're starting to talk about the challenge with the media. And I know that you went on on Mark Burris' show. And he asked you like how are you feeling and you're like, great, you know, great to go. I'm feeling perfect. Quietly though, you're fully injured, your knees are fucked up. Your trainer wrote a whole blog post about all your injuries and like

everything that was going on behind the scenes. Yeah, I read it. Behind the scenes before, we're not even at the start line, and you were fully tweaked. Yeah, yeah. So I did it prior to announcing this round, I had run 100K since November 2020. And I was like, well, I need to remember how I'm running 100K. And in my, I went and did like a bit

of a hell week. I went and trained out at my family farm, like hell month, sorry. I went out and I did two 100Ks in a week plus probably another 65K on top of it. And then after the first 100K I did. I ran, weren't pretty quick and I felt good, I had a good food right. And I finished and I woke up the next morning.

And my knees, I've never been so much pain. But I'm like, this is not good. And I ran, I ran I think 12K the next day, just to kind of, you know, run on very sore legs. But I, they were just, I was obviously pre-patella, like, patella femoral pain. Right. And but it was just like, I had to keep running on it. So I was just

like, just damaging it more, damaging it more. Obviously just tight quads, tight everything. And it was just referring to my knees. And then I had to run 100K on the Saturday because I had to said, this is what I have to do. I have to run 200K this week. It's just a no brain, you have to do it. And so I just started when this is,

it's gonna have to find a way. Like, if it's not a bone, I'm fine. Like if it's not a stress fracture, we're all good. And it wasn't. So I just had to had to show up. And yeah. So when I finished that, I didn't really run until the start of the, until the start of the event. Yeah. Yeah. Which wasn't great. I'm not gonna lie. Like

the kind of like youthful arrogance is wrong word. But like, yeah, stubbornness. The wise thing is, you know, just make sure when you line up on day one, like you're fully 100% like rested, no injuries, none of that. But I remember the two days, you could have pushed it. Like, let me just push the start date. Yeah. But the problem is Australia is just so freaking

hot, especially in the North of the country. If I win another month, yeah, I'd be, I'd be a, I'd be blistered up on the back of my legs and arms. And it just would have been too hot. If you would mean just like the heat would have just been so intense that it would have just factored in so much more. Like time. Yeah. But yeah, I

got to two days before leaving and I went for run with my girlfriend. And I was just complaining about a knees the whole time. I'm going, this is going to be pretty like, I guess I was only complaining though, because I knew about the pain. I was about to put myself in. It wasn't that my knees are hurting. It was like, oh, my knees are hurting.

I'm going to do some serious damage here. That's all it was going in my head. It wasn't like, I'm going to be able to find a way to pull out because I couldn't. I had it like, I just don't pull out. And how far in advance of the, the, the beginning? This is about two weeks. So I flew over a week and a bit to go.

But two days before I flew over from Sydney, I, yeah, I was like, telling my girlfriend that this is going to be fun. Yeah. I'm like, potentially looking at walking for 20 hours a day to get 100 K out. No breaks. You know, I mean, it was, it was just finding a way. And then yeah, flew over. I ran around. And once when I was over

in WA and like a lot of people think I just, you know, I was running, because I turned my strar off because I wasn't running in these cases. But I was just like, yeah, 100 plus or running all these cases. And I got over there and I'm like, oh, no, on anyway. And I just wanted to be in it because all I was doing was thinking

about it and thinking about it and thinking about it. And then when I finally got to the day one of that morning, I was just so happy because I, no, I mean it. Yeah. Where do you, where do you compartmentalize that doubt? Because that doesn't have any room. No, it doesn't. And I, there was just no, it was all affirmations of, you're going to do this.

There was no like, oh, no, no, it was like, I was, I was thinking about the, I just want to start. But I wasn't thinking about once I was in it, I was like, I can't wait for the knee pain because it's going to be there. I knew it was going to be there, right? But it was all just like, I'm going to be there. Positive

words. It was like, I'm going to get to bond. I'm going to, I mean, you're going to get sanded out of here in a body bag. I'm going to get to bond. Yeah. There was no other way. And so each day, there might have been a few like, fuck, I'm not, this is fucked. But it was never like, I'm going to quit. There was never any.

Dowsing my mind. I'd get there. It just didn't know how that would look. So you kick things off. You pulled a get first of all, you pulled together a bunch of sponsors. You got Puma. You got like, you got a camper van, right? Yeah. So you were able to like string this together because financially, like it's a absolute thing. Right? When you bring, yeah, this father

seeks people, as well the whole time. And you get to the starting line, you kick things off. It's all, it's all fucking rainbows. And you're sharing positivity on social media. A little bit of like, whoa, didn't see all this elevation coming. It's beating you up a little bit. So let's get to day 10, 11 and like walk me through like that whole insanity. Yeah. So well,

like starting my first day was like, it was really good to be like, K call 103 K amazing. I was done by 530 that night. I still had a lot of light in the ice bath. And I was like, right, we're in this. However, I wake up, I'm going to wake up earlier and get the data. Because I knew the adapting would come at some point.

But I didn't know when. I got to day three. And that was pretty well where I was like, my worst in terms of domes, like just muscular sawmas. And then about day five and six, my core temp was just shot. So I just could not regulate my system. Yeah. And so as soon as I'd finish, I'd be freezing my house off. And then I'd be trying

to warm up, trying to warm up, we're getting massages. And I was just shaking. I couldn't stop. And then I'd get in the camp of N bed and just sweat sweat all night. And the walls would be dripping with my heat. Swim. And so I couldn't just couldn't sleep. So that first week, I wouldn't have slept more than an hour or nine. Because I was just

so out of whack. I got to day nine. We've just hit that Norseman section, whereas no nothing. I've just camped on the side of the road on the day 10. I physio leaves. I just didn't die. I just didn't die. And I've woken up the next day on day 11. And I got to, so I got 42K. And my shin, my right shin just was like,

just so much swelling. I was just like, okay, this isn't good. This might feel, this feels a bit bone. Stressy because I've had fear before. And I was like, this feels an awful lot like bone. This is not good. Then we're running my fingers down. No, it was not, didn't feel I was on the bone. But it was just so much swelling. So I was kind

of, I couldn't really work it out. I got the 100K out. I was like, give me a long time. I was finished at nine o'clock that night and work up the next day. I could not run for life. I think I tried close to 40 times to get in a bit of a rhythm with running. But I couldn't. It was just jarring. And I've called my

physio, but it's like crackly on the line. And he's like, mate, oh, can you trust you. But this way, can you put this in it? Can you do this? And we try to everything. Voltaire and all day, nothing would work. And so I walked 40K that day. And I went, look, I'm going to give myself the best chance of healing. I went, I finished at one

o'clock in the afternoon, went to the roadhouse, I iced and just slept. Just tried to get some sleep back. So I knew the lack of sleep was really fucking with me as well. I started a bit delirious. My body isn't actually recovering. The best it could. And so I gave myself one, one till three a.m. the next morning. So 14 hours, which was much more than

I was getting before. I was getting all of six, seven hours. And then I went again. I couldn't do it. And so my physio was run out. And I got up the nearest MRI place, which was 14 hours away. 14 hour drive, 14 hour drive. So about 6,300 fucking nowhere. It would have been longer to go back to Perth. And so I got to 40K. And

my physio ran out the sport stock and sports stock had ordered an urgent MRI for the next morning at this place. And so we stayed the night to June. I drove another four hours to this place to get the MRI. So the MRI at 12 o'clock that lunch midday on the 14th day, so the 14th of September. And then we got the results back. I'm in

the car sitting and there goes, good news is your bones are as strong as I've ever seen for someone being 14 days into this monstrosity. However, you've got to your 10 oh sign of virus. And that's not great. And we go, okay, what does that mean? He goes, look, usually it's a six week in the boot to nothing. But you're not going to get a thing

to do nothing. So we're going to work out what you're going to do. It's just injury to the shin. So yeah, so the tendon sheath has just become so inflamed. But it can actually get infected because of the inflammation. And so the further, you know, the longer you lay in. And so I've got there, I go, what are I doing? He goes, look, we can call

his own it, but usually you have to take five to seven days off. But I know you can do that. So we'll call his own it. We'll just try and blast it, like trying to just disperse it everywhere. And if you can, you know, you can find a dick to spanned, which is for people with drop foot. It allows, it's a rubber band, goes through your

laces, allows your foot to pick up and down. If you can find one of those, that'd be ideal. And so we're, so my girlfriends on the mission to find a dick to spanned. I'm in the injection part of the hospital. And I'm getting injected into my shin, no anesthetic, straight cord is only in. And I've never been in so much pain. I'm just like wriggling, like

in terms of like the run pain and the shin injection. And I'm just like my eyes are on the back of my head. I'm going, this is what am I doing? Like I am in the middle of freaking South Australia, getting injected in my shin after 5 to 100. Yeah, you're only like 20% and literally. And so that was a big like, and also the record

slowly getting sure, bagged away, it was also going on ahead. And so I got this injection. It's three o'clock in the afternoon. And I'm adamant, I'm running on the 15th morning with 15 hours away. I get the injection. And the doctor goes, look, mate, it is going to fucking kill you to run. But this dick to spanned is going to allow you to lift your foot

up, because you have no function of it. But you're just going to have to work it out, because it's not bones. Yeah. Right. And we're done. Got in the car at 330, drove 15 hours back to where you left off. But thankfully the time zone was would go back. So we got, we actually made up some time, not actually, but in terms of the time we

started. Got there at 2am. Slip will play down for two hours, started running at 5, got 700 K out. And next week, you know, I've got this injury right. The record's gone. This is where the point I was saying before is like, if you, if I based my worth or my who I am on me getting this record, and I'd be on a plane, the nearest

plane back to Bondo, as soon as I could. But for me, I was like, what you're doing is so much more important than any record, any put in a flag in the ground could ever be. It was like, you know, you you caught onto it. So people were catching on and saying this, this person just continuing to show up, continuing to like keep fighting. And so

when, you know, I had that option to go, well, this is, you know, it's incredible. You've done 50 hundred kilometers. No one would excuse you for no, everyone would excuse you for going out and be congratulations. But I went, this is not what I set out to do. I set out to get from Hay to Bay and raise a shit ton of money for charity. And

I'm not sober now. Yeah. Well, let's get into that. I mean, you've spoken quite a bit about how you're in intrinsically motivated person. Yep. That motivation, meaning it's coming from within yourself. Yeah. So I want to understand that a little bit better. But at the same time in parallel, there's a lot of extrinsic motivation because it was this ground swell thing where slowly more and more

people, you know, in Australia and across the world, we're starting to tune in. Yeah. Pay attention to what you're doing. You have media figures in Australia who are talking about you on the radio, like, Hey, mesh and like those people are like, you know, and and and a lot of these people are also donating money to the charity piece, which I want to get into as

well. Yeah. So that's that's a lot of external pressure at the same time. So how do you think about those two factors in? When you wake up in the morning and you're staring down the barrel of another 100k and yeah, you just feel like you can't even move. I guess, like the Instagram and the media and the talk is cool. And I loved it because it

allowed the awareness of what I was doing, but also the money raised like that allowed that to go get invested. But getting a message from Hay and Mish or getting a message from like, Add a Sign You're the UFC vibe. Right. You're getting videos and all these cool things, which when I, if I wasn't doing the run, would be amazing. But mid run, it's like, that

doesn't wait me up on day 10 or day 11 to go to while I get this injection. It's like, why is it you're doing this? And so when I'm, if I boil it down, it's like, it has always been from that day one, running to Palm Beach and back about me wanting to succeed at something for me. So when it comes to about, like it was

even with the 50 marathons, I did that because I wanted to see what I could do. But raising the money was the byproduct of people seeing it. And so the same thing with this run, I'm like, you're a 23 year old who's never run before. We'll never really run before. Who's attempting to run something of like magnitude that very few people have done. How fucking cool

is that? Like that is wild. And so the pride that comes out of me when I talk about it is like, yeah, it's, I'm just, I'm so proud of the fact I've been able to go, oh my God, I can make a life in this. I can, I continue to push myself while helping people to know their more capable of a lot more because I haven't

come from a running background or a, you know, anything like that. It's all just come from faceless you see what I can do. And so, yeah, when it gets to that point, it's just like, yeah, everybody's exciting. The experience of, you know, being so deep in that pain cave, where you, you can't hide from yourself. And the demons are coming out and they're, they're talking a

big game in your head and telling you to quit. And you're having this out of body experience. I mean, it really is a spiritual odyssey. I was happy that that, you know, really shows you exactly who you are. Absolutely. So, so what, what did you take from that? Like, what did you learn from the experience of, of, of just being in that other place that very

few people flirt with? I think that like, because you, you're not doing it all the time, right? But when you are doing it, it's like, like you, you would know with all your, all your runs you've done. There is nothing like that feeling of getting up and going again. So, I think it's like the, the pressure of people saying, you can't for one for me, but

also the, what if you just take another step? And so, when you do take another step, what is that going to bring? What new thing you're going to see? What new feeling you're going to feel? And so, like, I can't, there is no words I've found yet to explain the feeling of getting to Bondi and seeing that because that was a culmination of not just 47

days, but three years of, two years of, out of body spiritual feeling I got when I got to Bondi, like a finish line feel through getting through something that was so hard and, you know, everyone would have said you couldn't have done it. Uh-huh. But knowing I went through all that with my injuries and through all that with, you know, when you look up on the

highway in the middle of this country, and you can't see anything, but the horizon of nothing. It's like, oh, we're out here. We're out here alone. Even though I had my, my family and my crew with me, I was so alone. I was so vulnerable out there. And yet to get to Bondi and feel that, like, I want to get the words to describe that, but

I don't think I will for a while. But it must give you this profound sense of purpose, like a sense of, like, I made the right choice. There was something deep inside me that guided me to do this for a reason beyond myself. Because in many ways, like, you've run yourself into an entire new life. I haven't 100%. I literally ran from being relatively unknown to

then, like, this person that people are like, oh, fuck, what's Brock, we're going to do again? What's his next thing? What's like? Yeah. And, but, like, I like, like, purpose is cool. I really like, I think we all have purpose. I think there's purpose for everyone. But it's like, there's purpose in everything. It's just as long as you do it fully. Like, for me, this has

all come about so quickly. So I'm not sure. There might be purpose in me doing something else in two years. Like, my purpose might not be running across continents. It might be to motivate people or to, you know, I'm not sure what it is. But it's like, as long as I'm giving it everything, it's, that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Not like, not just sitting back

going, oh, that's cool. That'd be nice. It's like, no, whatever it is, I'm deciding to do. I'm not sure. I'm fucking doing it home. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's pretty healthy. I mean, I think I, I, I see two different kinds of people who do these hard type of things. On the one hand, there's people that continue to do it. Like, they're just, you know, in

a healthy way, like they're testing themselves and they're always trying to find that outer edge and an unhealthy way. It's almost like they're stuck. Like, my value or my identity is so wed to doing hard things. If I stop doing that, then who am I? You know what I mean? Which I think that's what I'm talking about. I think a lot of people get caught in

that trap. And it's like, I have to plan the next thing. Yeah. You know, if I don't, then, you know, what are people going to think of me? Of course. And then the other group of people who are like, I did this thing. It's changed my perspective on capability, potential, who I am, et cetera. Now, what do I do with what I learned to continue to

grow? And sometimes that means, yeah, I'll do another hard thing. But sometimes it means I need to apply this and other areas of my life, you know? Absolutely. And I think that's the healthier plan. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't go and do more stuff like this. Of course. But to not get caught in that trap and feel like you're doing it because you have to.

Or that you need to be in a rush to do it. And I think that's like, I get asked that a lot now. He's like, what's next? What's next? And I go, I don't know yet. But when I do do what I'm going to do, it's not going to be for anyone else but me. In terms of, I'm not doing it for external pressure or doing

it. I'm doing it for the fact that I want to do it because I know of that spiritual feeling I got when I finished that run. I know of that. The amount of people I had inspired and motivated to go and like the messages I get, like you were saying, it's like summer like, you know, you should go see what this person's doing now, Ned. But

a lot of them are like, mate, I know you're probably at all these messages. But I just wanted to say I was addicted to meth. This is literally like, I've had five or so messages like that. Now I'm running. I would love to run with you. Well, this and I'm like, the power of being you and doing you, you know what I mean? Like, if you're

trying to be someone else, like people would have seen through what I would, what I did if I was trying to be someone else. But because I was being me and I was being so true to what I want to do. That's why people were so excited about it. There was no like, fuck, he's doing this for fame or he's doing this for to be saying

it's like, no, I was very attuned to that too. Fuck any sniff of that. And you're out. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's like, don't get too big on yourself. Dude, he's turned on you. Quit. Absolutely. It's like that. Well, he's loved the underdog. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but it's even now, I'm like, now you're not the underdog anymore. No, I know. I know. But I feel

like when I. So be it. Some people I'm going to like it. But that's that's all part of it too. Like you don't want, I'm not doing my days hoping that everyone likes it. I'm doing it because I want to be me and do me. And so whatever comes of that comes of it. Yeah. There's an adage in the ultra world that you should never compile

a crew of your friends and loved ones. Because those dark moments. I know you snap back on those people. And you defied that rule. Your crew was comprised of your girlfriend and your parents, the people you love the most. And you had a little bit of a learning curve with that too. Right. Yes. I. Yeah. I. It's probably grown my relationship with my girlfriend and my

mother. I. Yeah. Just finished got back from the injections. And where. Seeing that horizon of nothing. And there's nothing in front of us. And I was just in a really foul mood. I was obviously in a lot of pain. I was still in this pain from the shin. It hadn't got easier yet. And I just was just foul. I was foul. Yeah. So I'm plus 1000

K and. And I just snarled at my girlfriend. And I think I told her to fuck off. And she was, I think she was just like, I'm scared. Like this is not. Because I was I was in a dark dark. I had to how to go to that place. And I don't really know when I'm going to go there. But when it's fucked up out there,

you've just got to find whatever it is you need to use. That's fuel. And so I just did it. I just went it. When it went up my girlfriend, I wanted to turn on me to be honest. I wanted her to go, you know, you can't do something. You know, any fuel, any fuel, give me fuel. And so instead of appreciating that they're there for me

to help me and use that out on the, you know, use that. Give me fuel on the roadkill or the road trains. I used it on the road. I was like, I'm not going to go to my family and my girlfriend and my, you know, photographer. And so when I got to the van and my girlfriend, it's working my mom. Mom got out of the car

and just like, the mother's look of. Looking through me. And I was like, oh, no. She doesn't ever can talk to your girlfriend like that again. Don't ever speak to like, said that. Don't ever speak to us like that again. Or we're all gone. And I was like, noted, I'm really sorry. I needed that. I needed the slap in the face because I wouldn't have. And

otherwise, if they kept going on and kept allowing me to do it, I would have kept pushing the boundary. Yeah. And Mum just, yeah, went. And I think she, I think I've spoken to Mum since and she said, I was so worried. Everyone would leave. And there would be you, me and your dad. That's why I had to turn on you just at that point. And

I was like, oh. So Mum was like managing all these little relationships because I've never been so intensive with my girlfriend like that. Never been so intensive with a photographer like that or my physio. So my mother has, my mother's there with me. So she was just managing these things. These little fires that I was, or they were starting. And so she was just like, we

cannot have Gemma leave. We cannot have Bradley. Yeah. So she's like, Ned. You know, we're going to leave. Meaning they will leave if you don't freaking shut up. Yeah. Or, you know, appreciate what they're here for and take it out on something else. And so from then on, it was like smooth sailing. But I'm sure they would have got on a freaking. Yeah. I mean, crew,

rebellion's a real thing. And if you don't have that cohesion, these people are taking, you know, 47, days out of their life to devote it completely to you and to know that you being this kind of affable fun guy can be that dark. Yeah. It's own teacher. Absolutely. You have that inside you. And you're putting this on when you're video. But that's why I was putting

up the terrible stuff too. Like I'm like, I'm not just all, it's not all sunshine rainbows. It's actually. It's hard. And my family and my friends got that. Yeah. Talk about the roadkill. Mm. That's real, right? Like I didn't realize that that is so intense. Yeah. There's so much of it. And the stench is just with you, like the whole time. Yeah. It's pure truth, especially

when you got, when you're eating so much food all day. Mm-hmm. And then you get that waft probably a minute before you see the animal. But yeah, because Australia is so, but so many such wildlife. Yeah. Kangaroos are running, he trying to eat the food along the side of the road. And so, you know, in the headlights come along. They decide to run in front of

the vehicle, not run away. And yeah, there's just literally there'd be a kangaroo or a possum or a wombat or a fox or anything just on the right. There's even a dead camel. Yeah. They rate the most. But yeah, it was just like, it just stuck with you. And then you can't, you don't want to eat, you know, gagging at the thought of, mm-hmm, just run

past and trying to hold your breath. You don't want to hold your breath because it's standing with you. Yeah. So if you smell it now, does it bring you back? That sense of memory, bring you right back to the road. They bring you back to the road. Yeah. I just, I kind of used to the road kills. I used one. Run past and then get on

with it. But yeah, sometimes you missed them and they would just pop up when you're right next to them. Uh-huh. In the questions that like Wardian and hella and Robbie shared with me for you, there were a couple. I mean, Wardian, I think Robbie also asked, what was the most unreal act of kindness that you experienced? Because I think these guys, they're running across America. So

they're going through towns all the time. They're interacting with lots of people, plenty of, you know, opportunities to like have chats and stuff like that. But I don't know that that would have been an experience that you would have had, right? Because they're so few, well, you're in these roadhouses. You are seeing some people along the way, right? Yeah. I was saying a lot of chockies.

The chockies were starting to recognize me. And when I would get to half a crosshair, he's still going, how far is he going? Where's he going to? There was a few like really cool times where I, like when I got to Miljura, which was like the first big kind of town since, you know, Perth. The whole town was lining up. And I was like, if this

is what Miljura is like and what was pretty well the same. What's Sydney and I mean, like, this is wild. Yeah. And honking. And cash donations. And I think someone robbed up and gave $500 cash just on the side of the freaking highway. This is like Nullable area. I guess like majority of people were so like had heard about it by the time I got halfway

through. So there was always like every second car was a honk or filming or stand up donating. And there was no real, I'm trying to think about stand out. Yeah, I can't really. What about you have any run-ins with the carps? Yeah, on day two. So because I initially in the planning with the legal, like the state governments, they said I had to run at sunrise

and sunset. I couldn't run any time either side of it. And yeah, I, well, obviously, that's not going to happen. I got over 13 hours of running. Yeah. And I got to the end of day two and the local cop has had clocked me at like 60K and he pulled up and you got to get off this road. I've had one of my best maids was

killed walking along here. So I need you just I think was his own thing. I was like, yeah, no worries. But like I'm about to go into 30 or 40 past more days of this. Yeah. Like I appreciate that. But I got to get going. That feels so far away. I'm only just picturing that again. Like day two felt so much longer away than what day

46 was like. I feel like six years ago, that moment, but bond I feels like a week ago. Yeah. Where times weird that way, right? Especially couple days probably feel a lot longer. And then time starts to like morph where the later days you're starting to feel good again. But you're in this trance and this flow state for so long. You just wake up. And when

you do get into it, it's like, okay. And then and then you're at 80K and you're like, okay, I remember this roadhouse. Remember that where I left, but you don't really remember the in between. And I think that might be a bit of PTSD. And you had airpods in in all the photos. So what were you listening to? Were you listening to music? What do you

what are you pumping into the head? I was first 10 days, finally, after you listened to anything. That was all mute, no music. And then about day 20, I was at 430 in the morning, ACDC blasting. Yeah. Because I just was like, I was using it. Kind of the way Goggling talks about it as cheating, how you like put music in it, it makes it easier.

Yeah. So I was using it like last 10K of a few days, last 10K. But it's like torture when you are using it when you know it's there. And because it wasn't hard enough. You had to make it hurt. Yeah, exactly. But I was not podcast when I could when I was like, you know, fine for me to listen and not actually be in pain. I

so to speak. I could listen to it. But when I was hurting and when which was majority of the time, I was just playing. Yeah. Yeah. Ravi wanted to know if you had any kind of mantras or or mindset tricks that allowed you to kind of weather the dark moments. I just it was always that just if you can't run just walk just go and walk

to the next post. So there's obviously the sign posts. And I'd be like, if today's a day where I'm not really feeling it, I would run to a post walk to a post. Untill post walk to a post. Until I go into a room. I would be like, okay, this runs good. But it would be like at the end of each day, I wrote my Instagram

post up, which was almost like a reflection for me. It was like this beautiful amount of time for me to sit back, do my diary, general, but not in Syria. And I at the end of each one, I was just like, telling myself, I've got to just find a way, find a way, find a way. And that would be why I got through the shin and

why we got, you know, it's just like, do not give in. Just find a way of what you got to do. And so I think it would, I think find a way was a good mantra had. And then just keep showing up. So it's a similar thing. Yeah. Talk to me about the mallet. Yeah. Did you have a mallet beforehand? Yeah. Yeah. You get. How long

have you been a rock in the mallet? I've been in and out of them for probably since year six. But in between job interviews, I think the main reason for it is like the breaking down of like a stereotype. So when I walk into a room, you already have a idea of me, if you don't know who I am. And if I go in there and

I can hold a conversation, I've also raised $2.5 million for charity. I can run, you know, you've, you've already got this preconceived idea of maybe in some bullfed trade that, you know, goes out all weekend. But, you know, you can also not. And it's like if I walk in a room with, you know, people in suits or whatever. And I'd rock up like this breaks down

barriers straight away. Uh huh. And I think that's the way I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to with just generation right here.

Every room you walk into right now that you're like this media darling like highly you're recognizable at like 200 meters. Yeah, why am I wrecking all of you from the back? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How has that been like now, you know, three months later? You know, you go from this just you know kind of normal bloke into being somebody who you know is is probably recognized

everywhere you go, especially in Sydney, especially on the beaches. Yeah. Even barren. Like I went up here yesterday, I was going nice. It'd be nice. It's peaceful. I'm going to walk around Manstreet, get some food to eat, just chill out. And I'm like get every third man's gone, man, no, sure, what was too hot though. Yeah, it's been it's been fine. And I was saying before

it's like I can't raise money. Can't, you know, be this person to use inspiration without being known. So now I am. It's like you take the good with the bad. Like you know, sometimes walking down to Woolies and getting your food. You don't want to be pulled over and say, I'm a photo, but it's all part of it. And it's like that might be their one

time to meet me. And so I don't want to be seen offers being in vlog or I want to be myself. But I've also got to appreciate that I don't want. I've got to be by myself and with myself a lot too. Sure. I always give my energy. But but there's got to be a lot of gratitude with that too. They're not they're not doing that

because they saw you in a reality show. What are they they're recognizing you for the you know the valor of the accomplishment and people. They felt like they were on the journey with me. Yeah. So you're friends. Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm somewhat approachable. I mean, yeah, people. They already know you. There's a head. Absolutely. I know. How's that this? I'm going. How do you answer? I'm

social media. Yeah. Yeah. So now I'm going to be a big fan. It's been cool. It's been a weird transition. And it's like, I'm just I'm starting to find pacing and as well knowing that, you know, people are just going to know me. The more and more I do with this, the more and more people are going to know me. Just go with it. All right.

So talk to me about the homelessness issue. Why you decided that this was going to be the cause that you wanted to direct your attention towards and and leverage the run to raise funds to combat. Yeah. I get on on the homelessness. I think a lot of people would really be a bit confused with me doing the whole run for homelessness. I would do want to

clear that up. That it would. It's like, I wanted to do it for. See what I possible. What I'm came along to help inspire and then to also help on the side. The homelessness came about when I moved Sydney from the country. And I saw a heap of homeless people in Eddie Avenue, which is in the city when I went to I would ride a run

or walk into tape. And I was like just confronted by how much homelessness there was. And so initially I'm like, how do I talk to these people? Like I don't know how, you know, approaching them, how to approach them, how to, you know, interact where I'm like, now I'm like, it's so fucking stupid because they're just people who need help. So my initial, you know, hesitation

was obviously I think what a lot of people feel. They don't know how to go up and help. And that's called my mark said, what do I do? She just talk to them. Get down to their level and just talk to them. Yeah, it's right. So it would go up and I'd go, hey, you on I'm dead. Get to the eye level, introduce myself. Make it

feel as comfortable as possible. And just like, can I get you food? Can I get you water? Can I get you anything? And a lot of times they're just like, I don't help. So just let it acknowledge, didn't acknowledge me at all. But a lot of times they would they go, I think you would love that. It's going to be great. And it just was like

every time I left, I had this profound feeling of like, like it just, I needed to help. I needed to, every time I walked past someone, I'd needed to help them. And so I was like, fuck my running side and get a bit wild. My 50 marathon's are just said, I'm going to do some homelessness. So I raised 100 grand when I did the 1550. And

then yeah, it kind of just went, I want to do something with this run. I want to keep in theme of the homelessness as well. And let's raise a million dollars. And yeah, it kind of just came about that way. And how did you decide upon the nonprofit that would deploy those funds in the best way? Yeah. So Noah who owns Moebel Eyes, and we are

Moebel Eyes, which is the charity that I raised for. He reached out to me during the 50 marathon, the 50 days, and was like, what you're doing is incredible. Where are homeless charity, homelessness charity, then all volunteers, the most that ever raised prior to this run was 15 grand in a year. And they literally, a lot of them were just literally getting money out of their

own pockets and buying stuff, you know, and starting conversation. But they're bread and butter is conversation. So going up and starting talking with these people and seeing where the help can be given. So it was quite cool that it was the way I went and started talking to people on the street. And yeah, then I went, oh, that's right. No, I reached out. They did really

cool stuff. Hey, mate, do you want me to, we're going to raise a million dollars for you, you can be like, yeah. And then yeah, we're fast forward to now we raised 2.5 million. Yeah, you got two and a half. Yeah. What's interesting is that, that when you started, I mean, you didn't even have 100K raised, right? When the run started. No. So it just picked

up steam along the way. Yeah. I think I hit $100,000 on like day six. And then I was about 450,000 with 10 days to go. And then I was 1.7 million when I hit one. Right. I think people, especially Australians, they're going to see the person finished before they give their cash. Mate, honestly, it's, it is, this is what happened with the 50 and 50, I

think I had 20,000 raised with 10 days ago. Then I raised 100,000. But they just love it when you, and they want to say and help, because a lot of the donation was to help for homelessness, but a lot was to thank me for what I'd done for them. Yeah. And so that's what, like Mark Boros said that to you. Like he donated, he's like, yeah,

I know it's for this, but I'm really doing it for you. Yeah. And for what? What you've done for me. And that was, that was cool. But I think that's what a lot of the later influx was for. Yeah. This motherfucker's done it. Go. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Homelessness is such a such an intractable problem. You know, it entails socio economic conditions, systemic issues, political

issues, mental health addiction, all of that. Like it's a sticky wicket, right? Like you can buy somebody a meal or, you know, maybe give them a helping hand, but solving the problem itself is, you know, I mean, I don't know the nature of the problem here in Australia, but in the United States, yeah, it's massive in the States. I think the misconception is that it's addiction,

it's alcoholism, it's, it's actually like here in Australia, it's housing affordability, domestic violence. And like a few other things that have just been done. Just like, and not having a family that's there for you. And something goes wrong. You, you know, a lot of people, one paid check away from being on the street. And so like with mobilized now, they're, they're bread and butter, obviously, is

the interaction and conversation for change. But they're now implementing another pillar, which is they go out and they, for example, that, because that is so much funding, they can actually help. So say you're homeless, you need health care, or you need, you know, you need a place to rent, you need to gather together 10 grand. I've, I'm from mobilized, I got up to you and say,

you know, what is it? You need, they go, I need 10 grand for this. If you can raise five grand, we'll give you the other five. So you can show, and we can help you and see we can save it, we can do this. Actually helping allow them to get into right. Like instead of giving them a first shall see his kitchen. I'm out of fish.

Exactly. Being like, well, if you're willing to give us a go and we'll give you all the tools to help, we will help fund half or, you know, whatever it is, to help make that happen. And so, but it doesn't have to be about health care or housing, whatever, it's can be anything. But as long as it's going to aid them in potentially making them get

off the street. And that's what we're hoping. Yeah. And as you, sorry, they've gone homeless like whether we like it or not, everyone has needs. So money is like, you know, me saying, I gave them food or water. It's like, I'm having a preconceived idea of what they can do with the money. So instead of being, you know, like going, we need to give you food

or water. Because that's what I think you need. So when they have needs, the money is there is to do. If you're going to give them something and they want the money and you're willing to give something. You know what I mean? Right. That hard. We all have needs. Sure. Sure. Sure. And is the fundraising still open? It is still open. And then you can still

obviously donate to my brother. And they are incredible. Like the one volunteer, he's might as 26, he started it. Just all the young volunteers who I was on a, done a few Zoom calls with them. And they're just the most passionate, helpful people. I'm like, this is right. This is what you want. Doing the real work. Yeah. And like just they're all volunteers. There's no one

doing anything. And I would hope that no one who started it would be able to pay himself a bit of a wage to start going full time at it because of how passionate it is about it. But he wanted to do it. Anyway, that worked out. Right. So it's we are mobilized with an S, right? In America, the U.S.A. But yeah, in us.com.au. Yeah. Okay. We

can go to the next round. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. What is it that that you want people to, you know, take away from this experience that you've had in terms of how they reflect upon themselves? I think, um, now, there's no way you can do that. No way I can do what they have done. So it's like allow yourself to think. And you know, it's, it doesn't

have to be ambitious. People. People love just happy with their day. Right? And happy with getting on with whatever it is. But I think if you're hesitating in wanting to do something, but I don't know how it's like, don't overthink it. Just, you know, I think it's just a thing. Go for it. You're not going to, no one's going to be asked on you for having

to go. No one's going to, you know, I mean, you're not going to let anyone down by having a crack at something. I think it's showing people and giving people that hope that they can also whatever it is they want to do go and do it. So you're now in a situation where you're going to be getting up on stages and, and, and doing keynotes and

kind of delivering this type of message, including an event. I know you're going to be at an event where Goggins is also speaking, which is very exciting for you. That's great. It is especially on a skin. Yeah. It's your very first one. I've done a like the Q and A. Yeah. It's a different thing. Very different. Yeah. So you're working it out. Ah, yes, getting there.

Yeah. I finally got two weeks, but I've got a pretty good plan. That's good, man. So are you, are you still doing the electrician thing? Or is that no, no more? It's been, maybe if it is something, yeah, I will not be doing it. That. I just, again, it's like for me when I moved to Sydney, it was exciting. And, you know, I'm doing like being

electrician. And I'll be able to, you know, even if it was electric, all that I ended up doing, it would be, I would have 100 guys working for me. Or I would, you know, I'd be just pushing, pushing and pushing. Uh, but now it's not. It's, it's, it's this ultra scene and it's this motivation and inspiration. And in five years time, I'll be something different. But

hopefully I've now got somewhat of a name to be able to then use that to continue to live and be right able to do this. You're so young, man. Yeah. You got your whole life ahead of you to figure this out. Yeah. And you're in a position now where. Yeah, you have girlfriend and stuff like that. But you don't have a ton of liabilities and responsibilities.

And you have the flexibility to kind of pivot and move. And, and you know, it's a life of your dreams. It's, it's cool, man. Yeah. And, um, yeah, I'm just, I'm just pumped about it. You know, I have actually created this. Yeah. So now it's like, where to now? Yeah. So speaking, what else for the moment? Um, yeah, I'll be on the, on the speaking circuit.

And just like back into training, back into like getting fit and healthy and happy. And then being like excited about training. Um, and then yeah, working on probably another event. I, um, just because I want to do it. I'm, I'm stinging from that. What I've just been through. So yeah, I'm just, um, just trying to, not nothing set in stone. There's no like, you know, there's

still, there's a few ideas I've got circulating, but, um, yeah, nothing yet. But I think it'll be just like, oh, we can try this so we could do this. And, and maybe I'll get a lot more sponsors together or whatever and, yeah, and make it even, even cool. What is the, uh, what was the nutrition strategy when you were doing the right? Like I know it

gets difficult to keep food down and all of that. But knowing you're, you know, you got to get, I don't know, some unguadaliy amount of calories in you every single day. Yeah. So I, the plan was 10,000 calories a day. But it's quite hard to do when you're moving so much. And the lack of food along the way. So we had the store everything or, you

know, what we could purchase wasn't great. I was every, so in the morning would be oats. Uh, um, paper brown sugar on it and then a coffee and I, uh, strawberries. Um, and then I would usually vomit that up by about an hour in. Um, and then because it just like the flame I had from the dirt and, yeah, um, mosquitoes and the, you know, it

was just pretty wild. And then I would probably try and eat every hour on the hour, 500 calories if I couldn't. But I was never really getting that in. I ended up losing about 12 kilos over the whole run. So, I mean, I plateaued at about 70 kilos. Uh, and I was probably eating and burning the same amount by then. But all our balls burning way

more and eating haaps less. Yeah. Um, but I came into it quite heavy, like, with extra weight. Um, so I had that to lose, not 12 kilos, but I had probably six or so to lose where I had my probably peak weight. Uh, and then yeah, obviously I probably lost a few more kilos than I would have liked. But that put that back on nowhere. Yeah.

When you were coming into a bond, I that final day is a true that your final marathon was a 253. Oh, no. So that was in the 50 marathon and 50 days. I mean, okay. Yeah. So I misread that or I miss. Oh, my 50th marathon of the in 2020. Uh, uh, yeah, 250. Sorry. Yeah. That's after doing. Right. Um, but I was, I ran 60

K on the last day. Um, uh, from Campbelltown into Bondite. Uh, but even then like, I'll be woke up like 730. I said 60 K to run that day. I felt like I'd finished, but I still had to run 60 kilometers. But that's the where it works. Right. You're like, oh, it's just 60 kilometers. And I'm done. Like I'm basically finished with this all thing. Yeah.

And then I'm like, oh, fuck 60 Ks. Oh, why isn't it? And like, I was running through towns with no like row paths, like, um, sub-hairs with no paths that no one ever runs out there. Um, and so I'm like, this is fucked up. Like I'm just running on this highway the whole way. Now I'm in trying navigate straights and get where I'm going. But yeah,

it was, it was pretty nice. I got to Bondite. I got to Bondite about 20 minutes early because I told everyone 530. I got to the red 5 o'clock. And um, it's like, cop, come boy, like people storming. Yeah. It's about me. And I'm like, oh, no. Did you have a sense that that would be waiting for you or was that a total shocker? Yeah. Yeah.

I knew it was going to be like, I knew there'd be a few people there, like a thousand or two maybe. Uh-huh. Believe in that. That's a lot. Um, and I just like, I remember running in half way up the road before Bondo Road. And I just saw two helicopters. And I'm like, what's that? But they were like hovering with me. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No. This is

for me. Um, yeah. And then I just, I remember coming down. So I'm running down Bondo Road on a road from the south end. And just every person was like, and you know, when there's this, like a stereo of like, you know, they don't know what's going on. They know something's going on. Uh-huh. So there was like half the people knew what was going on. But

the rest were like, what's all this commotion about? And, um, so there's just me in this, in this left lane in the Bondo Road, which never gets shot. Um, they've blocked it off for me. I'm running down and I just saw the beach, like the promenade. And I was like, like the summer's day in Bondo and steroids. Yeah. I'm like, you don't see a lot of

that. Yeah. Um, and then I got quite taken back. I got quite like almost like. Tall poppy syndrome, like you don't deserve this sort of like. And then I went, and then about 10 seconds later, I went, you've been through hell and back. You just, like, you know, and then there's just like, I'm just like screaming at everybody. Like, yeah. It was pretty cool. It was

crazy. I mean, people who are watching or listening go to Ned's Instagram and you got the videos there. Yeah. And stuff. It's. I mean, there, I don't know how many thousands of people were there, but yeah, plenty. Yeah. I'm not, I don't really know. And I, the, the number of changes there are times. I say, I'd say around 10,000 to almost. Yeah. Maybe more. I'm not

really sure. But then you go like the wide shot from the drone. It's like the whole beach and then whole like, it's wild. Yeah. Um, one of the, one of the injuries that you, you sustained that I got to hear more about is the fact that you had like maggots burrowing in your toe. Yeah. So is that due to like blisters and swelling or whatever. And

then it's the flies, like laying eggs. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty well. So when you, you know, your toenails peel off. Right. Um, it would, my big, right toenail had like half come off. So it was like an opening, but it wasn't fully out. So I didn't like, like, and it broke down and it broke down and that it, it broke down. And so I'm just, I,

I, uh, it **** anyway, yeah. Two days later, I just rolled on my toe and I just, we don't know what you know. So I got to quite a B- because I just walked out of it. And I, um, my toe was like, I keep him up, like, I could not sleep because of it. I couldn't really sleep anyway, but, um, that was just like a

whole other thing. So I've clipped my nail half my nail off and still and still didn't fix it. So I've got out the run and 40 K into the run. It's raining, pissing down rain. And I thought it must be water in my toe. So I've pulled my socks off and there's no like, I've dried it and it's like all good. And I'm like, fuck, maybe

we need to dry it out. Get some alcohol spray. So it sprayed some alcohol into it. And then maggots just start crawling out of it. Yeah. And so I'm like, I know, because I obviously wanted to get out of the alcohol. So they've just, just, I'm like, I've got maggots in my toe because I saw this red, this red blood thing moved sliding away. And it

was freaking, it was like five maggots in there. So then we got that cotton bud scraped it out. And, um, yeah, put the new sock on, freaked out a bit, worked out, like, try to, you see, you know, yeah, we've got to figure out, you haven't shared that. I haven't shared it. I think we're going to try and use it. Oh, you're making a documentary. Potentially.

Yeah. So we'll say, yeah, we'll say about, I just, yeah, just depend on the work to put into it. Uh-huh. First outcome. But your PT said that possibly the fact that you had maggots in your toe kept it from getting infected. Yeah. It was actually a blessing. Absolutely. And I think that you just fucked up to think about. Yeah. Well, it is. I think they had

a clean wound. Yeah. Yeah. You put it right in it. Like, you obviously the big ones, but like this one, and they just ate away the infection. Uh-huh. Take him out, which is fucked. Like in his sony clothes. I, um, yeah, I did question my life choice at that point. Uh, but we scraped them out and we're good to go. And I didn't have any pain

after that, which is great. Yeah. So life after the run, you went to the, the GQ man of the year awards. A lot of people are calling for you to be Australian of the year. You know, when I was out there on the road, like, I'm not thinking of any of this. I'm thinking about getting back to bondage. And like, you know, some people being there.

So when, you know, I do get invited to those things, or I feel weird going out there and accepting an award, because I'm like, but I guess all the people in there were just the same at some point, not necessarily the running part, but, you know, had a dream of being a singer or a dream being an actor. And then I'm fine. And then that's VR,

ASMR, playing. with these are actually your, your, uh, out there for me. Answer me. In going to 1-2 to 3-4, directly, uh. In front of me, yeah, Russell Crowe, you know, all these people and I'm like, I'm swearing the head off and I'm like, oh, well, it's just me, isn't it? No, it's very cool. And it's been, yeah, I do pinch myself, but I know I've

got so much more to give than I know I've got so much more in me that people want to say and that I want to give to people. Yeah. So it's like embrace it. The, uh, the fact that it's GQ and you're rocking the mullet like that. There's just something really beautiful. I love that. Yeah, but no, but it's powerful. Yeah. Bring it back. Absolutely. Are

there a bunch of like, you know, Ned Acolytes cruising around now with bleach blonde mullets? I get them. There's always like, you know, the sports parties or people have parties and it's like rock up as you've ever actually do. Like for Halloween, people dress up like you. You're out of freaking things out of tagging. But there's a few, there's a few bleach mullets getting on. My

favorite of the things that you've done though, didn't you, did you do a thing with the, uh, the inspired unemployed, uh, podcast? Yeah, those guys. Like those, I love the, like, I can't remember when I tuned into those guys, but I love those guys. Yeah. They're so, like, they're so, they're so funny. Those do it. So they're such good boys. They're so, they're just like, you're

everyday dude, but they've just done some funny content. Yeah. And it's just blowing out people love it. Yeah. Just like, like, you know, they've got some anxieties and they got, they're just, they're just everyday dudes. You know, I don't know. I mean, they're just doing their thing and they're like, they presented the award at the GQ for me. And they were so nervous before it. And

it's like, you know what I mean? It's like, this stuff is, you have to be trained and, you know, you have to do stuff like this to be good at it. But, you know, you're doing like for me, like going up there, I'm like, this is fucking wild. But now, the more canotes I do, the more, you know, this sort of stuff I do, the more

comfortably are talking about it. Still. Yeah. Um, but yeah, those, those, those boys are so good. They're so funny. And they've done so well. On the keynote thing. You know, if you're just yourself and you just, you know, like, double down on, on just the authenticity of who you are and, and keep it real. All the rest of it takes care of itself. Yeah. You know,

and you've done a few have it. Yeah. I'm not great at it. It's not like my, I can do it. And I've done plenty of them. I don't think it's my strength. Yeah. I've learned a lot doing it though. But I think the, the ones that I've done that have been the best are where like, I know what I, I know like the things that I

want to say. But I just, I don't try to like be so. So tied to that. And I just kind of like show up and be present. Yeah. And, and, and relaxed. Then it's better. Um, that's more important than like staying on script. And then I think just making it about the audience. Like, not, it's not about you. But like, how, like, okay, who are these

people? Like, where do they come from? What are they interested in hearing about? And the more you can like customize it. Because once you make it about them, it's like, you know, it starts to just become, I mean, I did it so many times after a while. Like, it's just even true. Like I, I just, I felt so disconnected from what I was saying that I

was like, I don't want to do this anymore. Or, you know, if I'm going to do it, I have to just throw that out and like show up, blank slag. Yeah. So I don't know. But I'm excited for you. Yeah. I mean, it's exciting. It's going to be, and I know, you know, the first one's going to potentially suck. And that's all part of it. I've

done a few already like on my own, not in front of anyone. Well, like in front of a girlfriend. But I am. Yeah. It's going to be like, you know, you're rehearsing it on the down for me. You got the power, the slides and everything. Yeah. Yeah. And I point is to remember what are you? Are you, are you have any plans to come to the

States? In April, hopefully. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Potentially speak with like a sponsor, like a global sponsor. And do you know, camhain? Yes. I do. Yeah. Hunting and I know that he, he likes all your posts. I saw that. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Cam, I've never met him. But we've communicated a little bit on the internet. And boot of the super like, you know,

really, you like, you know, has a positive attitude about everything, you know, just supporting as many people who yes, yes. And he's just like, no bullshit. And like, yeah, I think it's great. I think we need people like that. Yeah. So you're going to go hang out with him. I'm going to go and try and pull the bone. That's a video I want to see. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By hunting or again with, with camhains and go for a run. Nice man. Well, I'm sure there's plenty of eager hosts for you in the States. Yeah. Thank you. That would be good. Just as a final thing to kind of, you know, close this thing down. I already asked you a little bit about like what you want people to take away from, from

your run. But, you know, I think, you know, there's a lot of people, you know, to your point who could stuck in their head or walk around with a sense of incapacity about their own possibility and potential. You, you know, you serve as this really, you know, kind of shining star in terms of, you know, what we're all capable of because in so many ways you

are like the every man and you just discovered running a couple of years ago. You're so young. But, you know, speak to that person who, who does feel kind of stuck on the couch or every time they feel like they take a stab at something it snaps back on the couch. And, and, and they're just, you know, feeling a little bit directionless. I think making sure

that you're, you're not doing it because you feel you should do it because it's like the right thing to do. As you said before, it's like, was you see through the bullshitt of people trying to do it for something other than them wanting to do it for them. So when if you're doing it for, you know, you're person to like you or, you know, someone to

compliment you on something or, you know, whatever it is in that way, it's like that, that would not be enough to get you to continually keep getting up off that couch. Uh-huh. And so do it for. For you to feel good or for you to succeed in something that you've always felt, you know, men. So. Yeah, I guess like not, not doing it for any other

reason. Then for the, the reason that you want to do it, if that makes sense, not like not for any external. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I mean, I wish I want a bit more time to probably word that, but that, I guess that's the essence of one. Yeah. I mean, when I, when I reflect upon, you know, how, how you've accomplished this thing, I mean, it

really, it feels to me. Like it, you know, it started with, with one little jog because you, you had the back fat. You didn't like it. And it wasn't, it wasn't like some grand ambition that you were going to run across Australia. It was one tiny step. And yeah. You know, when I asked you about mantras and you're talking about just getting to the next lamp

post, it's breaking everything down into really easily, you know, repeatable digestible actions. And, and, you know, the lever is really moved through those tiny things undertaken every day anonymously. You're just a bloke at home going out for a jog here and there. And you strung some things together that led to something fantastic, but it didn't begin that way. So I think like being humble and, and

just getting into the habit of, of kind of flexing the muscle of self care wherever that kind of instinct or, or inspiration is, is leading you is really the, the kind of impulse to pay attention to. Absolutely. And like, like how many New Year's resolutions, I like a two weeks and up, you've changed everything dramatically. And then they're back into the same amount. And so I

think it's like, you know, I didn't start with, I didn't start with running 100,000. Okay, I didn't start with ice cold bars every day or ice showers every day, cold showers every day. I didn't start with reading termos of the book. I started with go for run. Okay, I'm getting further running now. I can incorporate eating well. Oh, the setting was actually really helping me. And

it was just like this incremental increase in doing the more uncomfortable thing. So we're that became comfortable. I just did the next thing. And then all of a sudden, I'm, you know, beating down my headphones and I'm running further. And I'm, I'm going to be able to do that. And you know, I've got this energy about me that I'm running around being like, hello, how are

you? Happy freaking Friday. How good is this? How good's living? Like it was never like, there's just this energy coming out of me. So I think it's just these slow steps that allow you, but being consistent, disciplined to make sure you continue to do it. And then, you know, even like with the weight loss, it started out as an external, you know, lose weight. But what

I found when I was trying to do that was this feeling of achievement by getting the next run, by getting the next run. And all of a sudden, I'm, you know, doing these long runs and I'm feeling this excitement about how far I can push myself. So when, you know, now it's got nothing to do with losing weight. The weight is a bright product of now

me being happy. Maybe content with what I'm doing. Yeah. Beautiful man. Well, I appreciate you taking the time here. I wanted to say I asked you for you came out of the, I was like, bring me a bud, a budgie smuggler. So here's, this is your sponsor. Right. In the, I love that like, like in ultra runner, who ran across Australia had a, like basically like

a, a bathing suit company as your sponsor. Shed out. But there is nothing more Australian. The budgie smuggler. I actually bring me one. This is like perfect. And I feel like I'm an honorary citizen of, of Australia now. Thank you. I love, I'm proud to be, I'm going to give you a pay. You know, as a module. I will wear it proudly. Yeah, absolutely. On the

set of both today. Yeah. Super inspired by your feats, by your example. But I think more than that. And like I said at the outset, like the reason I wanted to talk to you. Has less to do with the fact that you ran across Australia and, and more about like how you comport yourself. And I think in this age of social media influencers, there's a lot

of like, not so great influencers out there. I've got four kids. And I think a lot about like, who are they looking up to? Who are, you know, the North stars of people that they can like draw wisdom from. And the fact that you, you know, being at your age, you know, conserve that for young people and old people like me, I think is really cool.

And so I just wanted to honor you for that. And like, you know, that I appreciate what you're doing. And I'm at your service, man. I love everything about you. And just like, you know, thank you. And you, I've been, yeah, it's been an honor to be here. Yeah, really truly. I'm very grateful. And I'm blessed to meet you. Thank you. Cheers. Everybody. Definitely check out

Ned's Instagram. If Ned's new to you, because he, you know, you're probably new to a lot of people in the States. You can scroll through his feed and get a pretty good sense of not just the adventure, but like who's guy is pretty cool. Ned with two D's, Brockman with two ends. Double day double. Yeah. There you go. That's unique. And I'm going to know itself.

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