Understanding the World via Crypto: A Chill POV

Welcome everyone to POV Crypto, the only podcast that both Bitcoiners and Ethereum is listening to. I'm David Hoffman, here with my buddy Christian. Christian, how you doing? Doing good man, doing very good. Life has been crazy every single day, something new happens. It's exciting, I'm very, very happy to be in the Bitcoin crypto space right now. I think it's the most important industry in the world.

It's changed into everything. It's about to disrupt everything. Everything and the world is just waking up to it. Here we are, we've been here before plus years and everything is just kind of playing out. Awesome. Exactly as we all predicted. I've completely lost any sort of frame of reference of what is really outside the world of crypto. Before coming into crypto I worked in a melted

nickel health agency, then when people used to do the ARPA, normal people tried to do it. I was like, hey, what are you doing? Tell me, oh, here's my normal person job. Here's my normal person job that I do. I've been for years removed from all of them. I have no idea what it's like to be a normal person anymore. It's just completely crypto only. Like

you said, thank God. It's so entertaining. Every single Monday I sit down on my computer. I'm like, all right. There's going to be a lot of people doing it. Going to be a new, like, new cycle. There's going to be a new series of it. Somebody did something this week. And it's just Monday. So like, how about it? I feel like there's barely like 12 hours

maybe on Sunday where it's actually a pandemic. Like life. Every other moment in time. There's always something to like talk about in this guy's. Very, very blessed. I live inside of a very entertaining industry. Not only is it entertaining, but I feel like if you keep up with the Bitcoin sphere, you keep up with you. Just on. You keep up with macro economics. You keep up

with geopolitics. You keep up with all these kind of things that are just naturally part of where they coin in crypto kind of it. It's just such an advantage. I feel like I come into every conversation. I just know more than most of you like the average person who's like getting their news off. You know, like that's who I'm like, you know, send me up. He's

getting their news off. We're going to come more in time. Yeah, yeah, totally. That's it. We did our POP episode with. That's like the angle that I think we kind of have. And I think we made this line as like crypto as a minus for the world. I enter in that. So like crypto people have. The best. Everything. The United States. China. That's. The Fiat as

a whole. That's relevant. Silicon Valley. Verse. Congress. Strike. That's relevant. Like the left and the right. Rioting versus the government. That's super relevant. Almost everything. It's relevant. I feel like that's why we're like. We're so confident that like we are at the same. All things like. People here are getting to the bottom of things. Like we're at the root of what these humanity is. It's very

very. It's very. Yeah. No. I'm not. Absolutely. And I mean, I really just think of it as like really an example of iron sharpened iron. Just like when you're in this space and like. Okay, there's one thing if you're just voraciously consuming Bitcoin crypto and Ethereum content, right? That's one level of like iron sharpened iron. But the next level of that, like where it takes it

up to the next level is like you get onto these forums and you start, you know, engaging in the battle and war. And you try to contribute, right? And I feel like me and you maybe were an example of, you know, people maybe were not technical per se, but we're absolutely contributing to whatever is going on here. Just through the exchange of ideas and being here,

right? And it's just so exciting and engaging and, you know, really like just being part of this experience. Even when I make a full of myself on. Right. And then the next time I'm better equipped to handle that, like I've had many experiences in the past, like, let's call it 12 months where it's like, okay, 12 months ago, I didn't know my shit. I was like

barking up the wrong tree. And then now because of that, and because I had to like go and figure out my shit, like I can come back and back that up better. Yeah. Yeah. The whole entire crypto industry as a whole is like one gigantic crucible is like it's it's it's it's it's it's steep competition in every single step of the way, right? Like Bitcoin miners

are in competition with Bitcoin miners, right? DeFi apps are in competition with DeFi apps content producers are in on in competition with content producers. And there's a I guess it's not really necessarily anything like different about the legacy world, but at least with the crypto world, like, there's so much scarcity and attention. Yet there's also so much like abundance of desire to like communicate and chat

and tinker like to no matter if you're like a developer, or you're like a content-pete person like us or a culture narrative person like us, like, there's always like this massive crucible of progress and innovation. And that's one thing I would I'll definitely like to my hat to like the Bitcoin content creators, because there's so fucking many of them that they have gone down like every

single rabbit hole and explored every single niche and every single direction. And so like if there's some sort of like connection between like Bitcoin and some esoteric idea, like some Bitcoin or podcast, like has talked about it, like they have already talked about it. It's already happened. And what can be explored will be explored in this industry, just because like this in this in say she

built a man to both explore and also to like sharpen sticks in every single direction. Yeah, I mean, I said this multiple times, so the Bitcoin is overwhelming in many ways, right? And it's like, okay, yes, overwhelming as a technology. It's overwhelming as in like I think it's just overwhelming, ins right to overwhelming desensualization overwhelming content production over overwhelming narratives Pearl overwhelming confusion overwhelming optimism. It's

just like it's just nonstop Insanity on all fronts and in terms of the content producing game like as someone who's leading a bitcoin magazine, like I feel like I'm competing against in Coindesque and Cointelegraph and Marty Bent and Bancliffe and you know, I like literally from bloggers to Bloomberg. Seriously, I feel like that is that is the spectrum of competition that I like feel like I'm

exposed to every single day. Yeah, and the best part about that competition is like it's one part competition where it's like doggy dog, but it's also at the other part is like it's competition where like if your competition competition like gets ahead of you and makes a piece of content before you did well like there's going to be a next round of content and like because

you didn't have the advantage of going first you still have the advantage of going second, right? And so like it's actually more composable and more creative and more pie growing right like say say like Cammy Russo got Mark Cuban before bank this got Mark Cuban, but Bank this is Mark Cuban episode did way better than Cammy's episode and we had the actually at the privilege of

like going second with Mark Cuban right whereas sometimes like but Cammy also had the privilege of going first and we can just we can extend this out not from just content production, but literally every other like fast crypto that we just talked talked about like defi apps like you can be second and late, but you also have the advantage of going second, right? Like you can

be you can be a Bitcoin minor and being late to the game, but you like you can learn from other people's mistakes sooner than they did, right? Yeah, just same thing back to the crucible where like it's a crucible and it's like this deepest competition in the world, but like that kind of thing is like the most important thing to do is to get the best

out of the world. And that competition ends up just building on the shoulders of giants of the people that came like literally three to nine months before you did. Yep, no, I mean, and like I have this kind of like thought in my head words like the best Bitcoin crypto developers haven't even been born yet like the most knowledgeable high priests of Ethereum and Bitcoin have

not even begun to engage with it like look at Michael Saylor as an example of that. Like Bitcoin has gotten where it got before Michael Saylor up until like less than a year ago or maybe about a year ago. So it really took like I interviewed the guy who orangepilled him and it really took 2020 happening for Michael to even open up his mind to Bitcoin

in the first place, right? And I just think that that's going to that effects is going to continue to happen. And you know, there are brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant engineers and developers who are still heads down working at Facebook. They're still heads down working at Google. They haven't been ripped away from that yet. And gosh, like they will be soon. They will be. I have

a very confident of that. Totally. What does Michael Saylor like represent these days? Like because to me, like Michael Saylor is almost like King Bitcoiner. And like you said, he came around. He's not even a year old as a Bitcoiner. Or maybe he's getting to that point, maybe secretly. But like what from the vantage point of Bitcoiners, like what does Michael say? Well, so Bitcoin magazine

was going through some financial statements of a micro strategy like 10 days ago. And we found like a sentence about how they're exploring like what seemed to be chain analysis software as part of the core business unit, right? So we just like just in, you know, this is what was in that, you know, paperwork. And Michael Saylor actually responded to it, but there was like legitimate

fury to the like concept of micro strategy, like entering into the chain analysis compliance game. So, and like there was Michael Saylor gone on a podcast later and someone asked him about it, right? And he was like, well, you know, if you, if you cross the plebs, like you get burnt at the stake, like he said things like that, right? So I feel like he's a

great advocate right now, but there's this there is this ethos at the bottom of the page. At least within like the, let's call it the die hard hardcore toxic Bitcoin community of like you, you, you, you take down your heroes, like you, you, you, you burn your heroes at some point. And you need to be ready to do that. So I feel like the plebs have

been in like kind of what Michael calls the cyber horn. It's have been very clear to him that he is not above that. But you know, I think there's a great example that, you know, I think that's what I'm saying. You, I think it's pretty clear that every single hardcore Bitcoin or fucking hates bit pay, right? Right. But every single day, bit pay, soul, science, enterprise

clients to accept Bitcoin and cryptocurrency through their solution. And there's nothing that Bitcoin is going to stop it. So, I mean, that's just the reality of permissionless money is that like you can ething hate how so and so is treating Ethereum. But guess what? I mean, as long as they're within the consensus rule, you cannot stop them from actually being an economic actor. You can't. And

again, bit pay, blockchain.com, great examples of that. And I'm sure many more will emerge in the future. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty phenomenal. Like astounding how far Michael Saylor has come in such a short amount of time because he's articulated things about Bitcoin that I've never heard Bitcoiners articulate. Well, he, like you can see about his, his back log of URLs that he owns that he was

onto the digital scarcity thing really fucking early. Like he was, he was debating some guy, this guy Frank something he was like really into the gold mining business. A few weeks ago, and saying it's a very research. And he was talking smack on Twitter is like, I have Frank.com. So I pointed Frank.com to Bitcoin resources in preparation for for this debate. So he's just like flexing

like that. He has, he has Michael.com, Mike.com. Right now, hoop.com is pointed towards Bitcoin resources. Well, Frank, Frank.com points to hope.com, which, which points to Bitcoin is hope, which has a bunch of Michael Saylor argue pieces of content on the front page. That's funny. Yeah. So there you go. So it's, it's a very selfish. Shil, of both himself as well as Bitcoin and flexing with his

URLs that he bought in the 90s. He also, he kind of like he gets the network effects game. Like, so he, like he was very much an individual who was super frickin primed for Bitcoin. Like I feel like I was very primed. I feel like the majority of Bitcoiners, crypto enthusiasts even. They were very prime for Bitcoin. Our good friend Kenny, you know, he's many big

reasons why he, he freaking gets it. And he was ready before, like it even came around, right? And so, uh, and then on top of that, like you said, there's this proliferation of just high quality content now. Like it's everywhere. Like there could be, I could randomly, like there could be a list of 35 podcasts. I could randomly give them to a friend and I at

least rest easy knowing that they aren't giving him like completely bad advice. You know, where's like that was not the case before, right? Like I could risk easy. Like, oh, this is at least good enough. This is close, this is close enough and I can like understand that I can trust this resource. A meaningful degree. Right. Yeah. We won't lose track of you. If you go

down this rabbit hole, we'll be able to find you. Yeah. Well, we're still losing people to the rip, ripple and cardano rabbit hole. But I guess less and less and less is meaningful these days. Yeah. Well, I think that rabbit hole spits people out on the high quality asset side. I've seen a lot of that. I, uh, from what I've experienced, people go into like the

shit, which they go into ripple cardano doge. And then either they just eat themselves right back out or they keep on going. But obviously they don't stay there. Like no one, no one long term commits to dogecoin. I mean, nothing. I guess I wouldn't know. I guess I wouldn't know. Hey, but you know what? Specifically, they're in the money at any point in the industry. Yeah.

So. Yeah. That's going to throw in that's going to be true for a long time. Like I think doge is going to a dollar. I think it's absolutely going to a dollar by the end of this market cycle. And the thing is like, it's going to, it's going to outcompete a lot of perhaps even people like me, like ethbrose, BTC, brose. And like we're going to

fucking hate it. But importantly, it's just going to, I think the net net result is that like digital assets are hot. Like any you almost doesn't even matter where you put your money. Like even cardano did better than like, then like, the S&P or your Apple stock or your Amazon stock, right? So I think the takeaway is that like, digital assets are hot. And like, you

can't, and they're here to stay so long as this market doesn't do like a 90% drawback. Like it's done before. Okay. Well, I definitely have opposite opinions of that. I don't think that it's just saying blanket digital assets are hot. I think digital assets are hot. I think that this is a cycle that we've seen play out before. And like we, we know that you don't

hold shitcoins. You know, so that just means there's going to be a lot of people who get burnt at the state. Like once again, and that's it. That held people are held XRP and doge at the top of the 2017 marketer and the money, maybe not XRP, but doge. Yeah. I mean, doge is, but so like I would love to do some doge analysis because I

do think that doge is not your average shitcoin. Um, whereas like, I mean, I agree with that for sure. Yeah. I mean, what, I think the key thing about doge is that it is very, very clearly not security, right? Jackson Palmer has left. He said, fuck doge. This is stupid. No one really has ownership over it. Like, Katochi too. No. Whatever, you know, it is what

it is. But from a legal compliance perspective, Elon Musk can tweet about it. Right. Like Elon Musk cannot tweet about Ada. Like, I mean, there's definitely a lot of limitations there. So like doge and doge is like even if it's a dollar still cheap, like has a long from a, from a, um, from like a unit bias perspective, it has so much runway. Has an enormous

amount of runway. And my biggest mistake was selling half my doge at four cents. Because I was so up. Right. I should, like, I should have just held. Right. So whatever it is, what it is, it is what it is. Okay. So here I had to make too many, too more fundamental bullish. He's doing a three day, then no really an increase of turbines becomes worse.

So it's heavily higher than 11% more metrics. The trend and,' as I said last week, America, you're 11% more compliant. But they're spoiling it because there's no-eness. So I'm like, okay, so what can we do now? Right. There's no more takich like, love or dislike, and your generation starts with the profit value. And you have good December all of that to go with. Like gonna watch

at three, the deadline. And I mean, also love the advertiser from CDC. And I'm not mean. So he's like, really, literally more mature at breakfast. Yeah. And yeah, or the is Brendan countries to say Russia an PrincierCom year in the $319.3 million anyway. I really hope you enjoyed it. Thank you both. One minute change in COVID law season tag. He's been honest with me. He assisted

me a lot and said the other day, and again in the year, we're getting a bajillion likes for engagement. Right. And so that's incentivizing more tick talkers to make more Doge song and dance videos. And they're not doing it to pump Doge to $1.00. They're doing it because that's the video that is getting them 10 million views. And I can't remember like a two or three

fast food joints started doing a Doge promotion. Right. Like Doge is going to $1.00 by Taco Bell crunch wrap supreme. Like Doge is engaging. Like everyone is marketing Doge and it's working. Right. And so every week, everyone is hopping on the Doge shield train because everyone else is hopping on the Doge shield, shield train. And it's just free marketing. That's fundamentals in the crypto world. That's

as good as fundamentals as I can think of. And so Doge is like probably 10 times more scarce and what people give a credit for. And it's getting the most free marketing in ways that Bitcoin and Ethereum haven't by like just being part of the like tick talk shield game. Well, I mean, like in vectors that Bitcoin and Ethereum haven't. Yeah. I think that I think

all of these things refractive. So Bitcoin's the main fractal theory. And there's this other fractal with the Gileons of fractals coming off of it. Doge is just another fractal of that. Right. So it's all part of the same sphere of onboarding the world onto crypto UX. Right. That's what's happening. So it doesn't fucking matter if it's Doge or if it's die or if it's Bitcoin, though,

what matters is people understand digital wallet on my phone. I can get into from Fiat to Fiat. There's this thing called Fiat. Fiat goes burnt, government. Like we are teaching the world these rudimentary lessons. And guess what? When you zoom in, it looks like frickin 18 year old doing TikTok. Dance about Doge going to a dollar when you zoom out, we are onboarding the world to

Bitcoin. We're onboarding the world to crypto like that's what's happening. So it's chaotic and messy when you zoom in, but when you zoom out, like, what's going on? Like, man, it is a beautiful organic process of just software eating the world. It's beautiful. Did you see the that TikTok that was going around of the kid and garden teacher, maybe not kid and garden, but like elementary

school teacher who was showing what her classroom, her boys in her classroom were drawing because they needed to get paper up on the walls for some reason. Did you see this? No. Okay. So TikTok teacher doing a TikTok video. She goes, here's what we need to get a bunch of pieces of paper up on the wall to cover the walls for some fucking reason. So I

let the class like draw their stuff and the boys are just were obsessed with this new meme or something is called stocks. And so all the boys in the in the classroom were drawing like the pattern was a figure, like a character and then like bar chart bar lines and they're in the background with an arrow going up into the right. And so there was there

was like imagine all of your favorite cartoon figures. There was like cat dogs, donks. There was like, I don't know. All the other like zoom or I need to see this. It was so good. The last one was from at Cronk from Enfers, New Groove. It was Cronk Stonks. And it was this a great picture of Cronk with stonks up into the right. And this was

elementary school, bro. This is the elementary school. I'm like, dude, if this is not a late stage fiat credit cycle, like symptom, then I don't know what is Cronk Stonks. Dude, yeah. Well, guess what? Like fourth turning. Sovereign individual being in the Bitcoin crypto space watching all this play out like. Right. Yeah. I feel like I'm an informational vantage. Like I understand what these little kids

are going through. And then on the flip side, the teacher is just confused as fuck. Like she is the up you elite. She doesn't understand what the fuck is happening. You know, and we are not to say like, well, you know, we're so much greater, but we're just more plugged in. I know that for fact. And I can prove it because I had mass before most

people. You had mass? He had mass in 2020 before most people did. Oh, yeah. Like I know that I'm more plugged in. I can see that from the results. Yeah. No, no, it's very, very right. Crypto crypto Twitter was plugged into COVID before everyone else. Yeah. And like very maybe we're just patting ourselves on our back and just, you know, circle drinking here, but like connecting,

connecting like a bunch of like fifth graders and what they are drawing on an elementary school classroom wall to like the fiscal policy of the federal reserve. Like no one else can do that. Yeah, like I have to preface like when I get deep in Bitcoin, like all right, these are big ideas. Get ready to open your mind for something that you might have never considered

before. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Oh. There's a how it appears. I mean, about the docs, a certain aspect of my life. There is a, I was scrolling through the dating apps and one of. I don't want to butcher this, but sometimes I just shoot myself in the foot when it comes to dating apps. But this, this one prompt on hinge was teach me something about your

profession and your passion. And then I just said, I receded to restaurants. Oh, if I'm not sure what if you know what you're getting yourself into here and the chick for spot replies, I'm ready. And I go ready to talk about how digital assets is going to usher in a modern day run a sauce and finally allow for wealth to distribute and proliferate outside of entrenched

institutions. And get into the internet native generations and give rise to an era of digital art and digital culture. And I haven't gotten a response yet. Big big surprise. You must have not really cared about that one because you didn't give yourself a chance. Yeah, no, no, I did not. Yeah. It's not something like I need to present that like pretty sooner rather than later or

else or else it's just going to come collapsing down later. So I, I choose to fight the hard path first. Okay, so I actually want to ask you this, like my fiance, I would say, like not a native big quinter. She's like obviously exposed to it all the fucking time and people and all that stuff. So like she gets it at this point, like not by,

you know, not voluntarily, you know, like when you're going around, are you like, if you found like a hot girl that you were attracted to that was also like into theory. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm in the Bitcoin into whatever and some sort of like not shallow way. Is that a huge bonus? Do you want that? Or like,

or is it like, are you just looking for someone you're compatible with? And this is like your career. And that's slightly separate. Like I'm just trying to understand a little David to the audience here to get deep in your in your personal life. Yeah. If she was when I am going on dates, I obviously don't lead with crypto. And if anything I lead with Banquist because

they ask, oh, what do you do for? I have a newsletter podcast like media company and like, oh, about what? It's like, oh, education in the crypto space. And then like that's like that's the rope that I'll leave like out like, hey, if you want to pick up that rope, like we can go, you can pick that up and we can go down to see where

that leads. And we're just not getting that. I'm decently well off, which is enough, which is enough. And then we can go into other other subjects as well. But if the girl is like curious about it, then that is a bonus. I would say if she's like, because like, yeah, I like it when people are interested in the things that I am also interested in. So

there's some resonance there. It's definitely not a deal breaker. And to some degree. I kind of there was a time where I actually did go on a date with a girl who worked at Coinbase as like kind of a manager. And I think it's like, so I'm not sure if I can do it. Okay. So I'm like, what is it? It was actually kind of like

a turn off because I was like, well, if I, if I'm dating a girl who's also in the industry, the industry that I'm spending 12 plus hours a day in, like, am I ever going to like have a moment to breathe? That's not crypto. Like probably not. So for my own sanity, like probably I should probably try to find someone who can offset my polarity. Yeah,

no, for sure. And like we've had like times where like you'd be like, all right, let's do this thing. Like no, I have to like, you know, like, um, like, you know, get some, you know, family life a little bit. So it's definitely nice to like kind of have that forcing function for sure. Um, but okay, last personal question. We can get back to crypto and

then make this one up. Like what, okay, what's better? What's better? So find a match. And then eventually, like, they come to really appreciate Ethereum or find an Ethereum that like potentially could be a good match. Right? Like what? What do you think is more optimal? No, I've actually done. I've definitely thought about path number two. Um, I am now the one of the managers of

the Seattle Ethereum meetup group. And so when it comes to just like building out like a social world post COVID in Seattle, I'm definitely planning on like leading that charge. But I'm totally into the possibility of somebody who like meeting somebody who's straight up like not not necessarily because there's a difference between somebody who's just like has a foot in the world of crypto for somebody

who's completely all in. Like I could take that just curious casual. So you're talking about super. No, I'm talking about like convicted or or nothing or convicted or is like working in a completely different industry. Like equal to my level of conviction or some sort of just like, I don't know. Okay. Nice. Something. Yeah. Nothing in between. Yeah. Cause either it can get you on that

fundamental level or it's like, this is my job. You know, we don't have to go into the weeds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. For sure. Cool. Cool. Good. Good stuff. Nice to have a friendly conversation this time around. Yeah. Yeah. We've been doing some yelling for sure. Yeah. Now, but I have to say on the on the ultrasound money versus sound money, whatever meme. One,

the ultrasound money thing is unfortunately catching on. Cause I think it's like, it's very sticky. It's very sticky. I don't know. We'll see how sticky it is. You know, pumping shit coins is the thing to do these days. So it's not a surprise that, hey, you know, Bitcoin's great. But we can do it better is is is a is a meme that is is working for

now. But on the other side, the ultrasound money meme is one it's one part truth as an ethers literally ultrasound money and one part. Making fun of Bitcoiners and just making fun of the sound money meme in the first place. Because it's just kind of funny. It's like, oh, you have sound money. We have ultrasound money. It's just kind of like it's like a cheap stupid

like one up and it kind of makes a farce of the whole thing. And that's kind of why a theory is like it to some to some level. Yeah. But, you know, some degree it's it's misleading. So that's why I would generally push back against it and I did see it was. It was interesting to see what this face Jeff Garzick call out Ryan and just

be like, no, you're you're. Misconstruing what sound means in this context. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think Garzick's been. Yeah, I mean, I think that Garzick's been very like, you know, like he hasn't been anti-DFI or Ethereum in any way, right? He's definitely posted very pro things about tornado cash and you know swap and stuff like that. But it was interesting to be like, you know, come

on. Like and kind of agree with the big winners there. So I mean, I think that does justify like I've been like your definition of sound is like not aligned with how. You know, the the the term that Bitcoin to sound money gold is sound money, right? That's right. It's using a new definition for sound. Right. Yeah. Well, not not completely because the. I would I

would also say that big winners are using different definitions of sound in different contexts and in one of those contexts that yes. The ultrasound money meme is not resonant with how big winners are using it. But ultrasound money meme came out of Michael. Saylor talking about how Bitcoin is sound money and then started talking about the parameters that make up sound money and in that context.

Ether answers to being ultrasound money in that very specific way of being sound where he wasn't talking about. Top down control over monetary policy, but he was more talking about like BTC the unit as a storehold a vehicle or storehold of wealth and that being able to persist over time. And that is where ether as ultrasound money is like it's a storehold of wealth that can

persist over time. Then we can get into a separate conversation, which is can that be tinkered with. And if it can then it's not sound money. And if it if it can't, it is sound money. And that's a separate conversation or separate definition of sound, which I think Bitcoiners play on both sides of. And you have to pick one for us to really talk about and

rather than just saying, well, ether's not ultrasound money because it doesn't fit this definition and not rug pull us when we're actually talking about a different definition. I barely know what you just said. Yeah, I'm just going to go and say, let's just agree to disagree and we can have a whole another podcast on this subject as we have done multiple times in the past. But

for the time being, we're having a Justin Drake on state of the nation tomorrow livestream. If you want to tune in and ask any questions. For modeling ultrasound money is the title. All right, well, I don't really think his modeling is very. Okay, sitting the alarm. So don't miss it. All right, we'll see. Yeah, I mean, hey, so I don't know if we're going to get

this one out today. Today is the 26th. But that's on you day, David. But in terms of this week, it's a crazy. Yes, week for Bitcoin magazine. Today the 26 was like the last, you know, cryptographically. There's a rare, fireball word from Satoshi 10 years ago. So the 10 year anniversary of like Satoshi's last message. So on Bitcoin magazine, we have a great super, super detailed

research piece on it by Pete Rizzo. And Pete has also gone on what Bitcoin did broke it down. I thought the podcast was great. There's an audio version with Guy swan with Bitcoin, audible. And Bitcoin magazine is doing a four hour livestream dedicated to Satoshi. So lineage history, you know, how Bitcoin's kind of ethos form from that. So that's going to be Wednesday, the 28th. So

a lot going on. I'm sure that at some point though, I will hear what Justin Drake has to say so that way I can get upset at it and throw a fit on Twitter. Well, awesome. That's pretty, that's pretty crazy that it's been 10 years since Satoshi disappeared. Bitcoiners are very much ahead of exploring who and what Satoshi Nakamoto is. And I don't think regardless of

what your crypto beliefs are exploring Satoshi is definitely a worthwhile endeavor, no matter what. Not only not because like Satoshi is like a saint or a sacred figure or individual. But like first impressions in crypto really, really matter. Like the Genesis block and the whole Chancellor on the Brink statement putting that into the Genesis block, the that which is a political choice. That is set in

stone, a political message, a political banner that carries that carries through Bitcoin to this day. And like the way all applications on Ethereum and Ethereum itself and every single blockchain, the way that it becomes built and its first impression upon the world last. And so you don't really necessarily have to think that Satoshi is like this, this, you know, disciple of God to really appreciate like

the ground that he left with his scarce digital messages plastered throughout forums. Well, I would say, and this will be my last word on this. But I think one that most interesting thing from the what Bitcoin did podcast that he did just because he got to give the context of the article, but also his analysis was that like it was Satoshi. He knew that he solved

the Byzantine generals problem. It was just at that the majority of the coins early history. He was actually trying to just get people to care about it. Like he posted on the cypher punk's mailing list because those are the only people that like were even primed enough to understand what the fuck he was on to, right? So it really was one of those things where it's

like, yeah, you know, he knew he was on to something. He was very intentional. But on the on the flip side, like, you know, he's just trying to get people to freaking care and be a part of it, you know, and he was just trying to build community and like creating the forum was like one of the most impactful things that he did out of all

the things he did, you know, and that kind of and it was almost like Bitcoin is a decentralized money with a leader and the journey of like stripping out that leader is a very interesting stuff. But until then you guys can catch me on Bitcoin magazine. You can catch all the stuff I talked about on there and yeah, you can find me on Twitter at ck

underscore snarks. And that's the before we sign off, I'm going to shill to Bangladesh podcast that I think anyone in the crypto space, including Bitcoiners will thoroughly enjoy. One of them was with Joel Menegro from Placeholder VC. And it was about, uh, it was titled Capital and Governance. And Joel makes the case for that. Like we're trying to define capital. And he defined capital has power.

And if you can exert change upon the world, that is your capital. Uh, and then we extend that metaphor out into even broader subjects, which I know Bitcoiners were really, really like, and then next week we have, we actually brought on a historian and we make the case that the crypto evolution ahead of us is going to be equal to if not larger than the Renaissance

in the 1400s. And we talk about the the meme culture of the 1400s and how the meme culture was used to bring down the palpacy. Because it was a corrupt institution, a hierarchical corrupt institution and how the printing press as a digital communications tool really allowed meme culture to flourish in the 1400s, along with the advent of double entry bookkeeping, which allowed wealth and art to

create and churn. Uh, and, and we take those metaphors. And also we, we go through a metaphor of how Martin Luther and Tatochi are actually very similar figures and throughout history. Uh, and, and then we also go into how just like the, the blockchain is the new version of double entry bookkeeping and how the internet is the new version of the, the Gutenberg Gutenberg. printing press.

Yeah. Um, and, and, and, I like those analogies. Yeah. And I, I think it's, I think it's perhaps my, one of my favorite bankless podcasts of the, so I really hope that it sticks with the rest of the, uh, rest of this industry. And that is my final set off. Thank you for listening. You can follow me at Trustless State, both on Twitter and on bankless.

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