Teal Swan | AI Threat, Reincarnation, Past Lives, Ancestral Healing | Full Episode | Ep. 199

[Music] welcome to the pretty intense podcast we have a reappearance of the lovely Teal Swan today since I interviewed her it was probably a couple of years ago now the show's been around enough years I'm starting to bring people back and we became really good friends so I really really love and enjoy teal she's very sweet and very smart and wise and so um the episode

today was a lot about ancestral healings and that essentially let me just break it down being fundamentally the most important thing that Humanity can do right now and that there's a choice Point happening and we we really need to choose to fix these patterns so that we are a positive benefit in the universe so that other entities want us here so that we don't we don't

let our nature become like the nature of AI and because it's just feeding off of our patterns you know what's the point of all this because it's not always going to be easy I can promise you the more that you heal the more joy and the better perspective in life you have like it doesn't mean it's always going to be easy but the overall Baseline of

the life that you live just gets better so say yes you can get her program on her website tealswan.com please hit the Subscribe button and the bell for notifications and let me know what you think in the comments today's pretty intense partner is athletic greens I take ag1 by athletic greens literally every day I gave ag1 a try because I wanted to nourish my gut health

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to stay there we get pulled into first person perspective so easily we forget that we're the ones using the mind we confuse ourselves with our mind we are the witness Consciousness that is behind and is creating these different layers of the cell layers of the the identity creating thought creating emotion creating physicality so it's like I'm we are simultaneously the thing we have created at the

same time we're not that thing we have created right yet we're watching it and we are in it so we have these two points of perspective it's just very easy to get lost in only this point of perspective we could call the Avatar right completely easy to get lost in that which we have created then we forget the bigger picture then we can't step outside of

our thoughts then we can't witness our thoughts then we're not learning about ourselves we're just sort of stuck in ourselves and yeah I can't really curious what is inherently part of this Human Experience like what is just is pain inherently part of this experience is I wouldn't I would imagine you'd say yes to contrast are all these things just part of the human experience that we

have to learn to deal with and then I mean then I want to ask if the if there we there's a reframe needed like because if pain and contrast and all the things are actually part of this reality for growth and expansion then you know let's just use our mind and change our perspective on when things are hard what's inherent things like contrast things like pain

are inherently an element of of human existence reframing and changing your mind and changing your perspective is just one tool that you can use to deal with the fact that that's an inherent element within this time space reality and it's not like we're just here to accept that either I mean most of the incredible expansion that's taking place in this universe and within the human race

is taking place because of our directly facing that contrast which inherently exists and doing something with it like we could consider it to be contrast that we couldn't fly and now here we are in these metal objects thousands of feet in there because of looking directly at that contrast so expansion comes from contrast in the same way that Lotus Blooms from mud so why is it

hard like why does it feel why does growth feel painful because we wait for so long honestly the problem with with the human species as opposed to other species if you watch it is that the minute that there's a desire and there's something that is unwanted there's an immediate movement towards what is desired and the human species doesn't function this way the physical human keeps himself

or herself completely apart from what they want and then by virtue of doing that that gap between where they are and what they are wanting continues to grow and this is what suffering is about it's it's this whole thing you know that I could call my desire and that ironically my non-physical self becomes the vibrational match too immediately um it is this gap between here and

here that creates the pain in life so I'll give you an example um let's say that a person is frustrated with their financial situation and so they desire more abundance in a typical species there would be an automatic movement towards more abundance but with a human let's say that they grew up in a family where there was a lot of negative Focus put on wealth you

know people who are wealthy are awful you know XYZ I mean whatever this family is saying about wealth or is the mo they have about it would make it so that this person who might want to go in the direction of abundance for themselves feels like wait a minute by doing so I'm going to lose some aspect of my belonging with my family and so they

hold themselves apart from that which is wanted and we have all kinds of reasons why as a people we hold ourselves in this suffering but that is the thing you can say about a human is that they hold themselves in suffering unnecessarily because it's a pattern is it because we just want to repeat the pattern because even though it doesn't even though it's not good for

us it we don't die and that's essentially like what the ego in the self is trying to save you from a greater pain or something like that yeah but ego is always wanting to prevent pain right right little tricky bastard it cares more about preventing pain than it does about its own Survival funny enough but it's really like it creates pain obviously like that's why we're

all laughing but it's not wrong because it actually is less pain in the moment but it's very short-sighted yeah sure status it's it's difficult well part of Awakening is to be able to increase the Consciousness enough to start to see these Ripple effects so it's not just about the immediate action it's about what that action creates in your future and in your children's future and your

grandchildren's future the picture just gets bigger bigger and then obviously the action changes when that picture gets bigger bigger so I was talking to a friend about something similar to this but it had to do with AI is that because we just are going to be able to hold more information more frequency more data because in my in my psychedelic experiences there's so much information in

there I'm like I can't like I need a break um I every question there's an answer like it it's over overwhelming how much information and so the what's come through for me is is that that's why we have to have amnesia and forget because it's too much we'd like would short circuit for real um but my friend was talking about um and she's very spiritual and

she was talking about helping to create an AI that will um be able to be an intelligent and like a a good AI that would let's say when you buy um you know a glass for water like part of the AI knows like the ripple effect of what created the glass so there's just more information in that so it leads to a more environmentally friendly a

more uh informed um and smarter choices moving forward that are better for the planet for each person for Consciousness because because there's more data and knowledge about where just each and everything comes from so does that make sense you're seeing the positive potential of AI yeah but but to increase one's Consciousness or awareness to achieve a state of Enlightenment is to increase one's capacity for that

type of information which is why at a certain point you can comprehend all your previous lifetimes and you're not going to short sort it or shut down or blow up I know we're going to talk about ancestral healing a lot today so I think that's an easy transition into one of the first steps in it which feels like reincarnation like and how what role that plays

in it yeah and how that even happens like the pathway for reincarnation if we're now pivoting from remembering all of our lifetimes okay so so reincarnation is very poorly understood because what's happening with reincarnation is a mix of free will and determination determinism I should say um law of attraction in this universe applies not just this one lifetime it applies also to the cycle of reincarnation

in general So based off of of what we are doing in this current life we are a vibrational match to in the next life but it doesn't work in in all that drastic of a different way than you and your current life right now if I showed you a person and I said is this person making a choice for the person that they're in a relationship

with the answer would be yes that person would be like well yeah consciously I definitely am choosing to be in this relationship or to get married to this person I could definitely throw a wrench in the spokes though and I could be like but what if I told you that the reason that this woman is attracted to this man is because he has all of the

traits that her father has and because he has all of those traits the minute that she meets him she feels home now that's an example of determinism so what we're seeing there is that both are taking place at the same time she's using her Free Will at the same time there's a whole lot of elements of determinism that are going into that choice of partner and

the same happens outside of this cycle of reincarnation so let's say that you were you're standing in this space it's really not a space we're just conceptualizing of it this way but you're standing in the space where you're able to see all these potential lifetimes you have memory of the previous one you just came out of and several more before then you're looking to create expansion

so what is my path of expansion from everything I've gained so far it is that point of perspective that causes you to choose into that next Incarnation but you can only be a match to the ones which are currently in your vibratory Spectrum so that has a lot to do with you know the choices you've made in previous lives and XYZ so it's a it's this

beautiful sort of coming together of the element of of um free will as it applies to the cycle of reincarnation and determinism which is a byproduct of everything that has come before do we actually kind of remember our past lives maybe we don't remember finite details and you know so many things we can have remembrances but but think but like I think about old souls or

people that are just mature you know they just get it they grasp it they grow like there's just peop some people are different so do we actually kind of remember past lives totally depends on the person where their aspect of Consciousness is where their level of Consciousness is I've met a lot of people who think they remember past lives and they had no such life it

also gets more and more and more and more and more and more complicated when you get up to this this level where this whole picture is taking place because we like to think about ourselves as like a clump of energy that comes into a sort of meat suit over and over again and that's not the picture of what's Happening Here at all Consciousness oh like water

really what is happening okay so I thought of it like that but oh hell no so Consciousness functions like water and and if you're if you're taking like an above uh look at a stream of water what you're noticing is that there's all these branches and all these splits yeah Consciousness itself can split like that it is a waste of time in this universe for a

clump of energy first of all it's not a clump it's a stream but for a clump of energy to come down into one Incarnation and then go back up and then coming down into a clump it's like a waste what's happening more here is this stream of of energy is coming down into multiple incarnations at once so the likelihood of there being many embodiments for the

stream of Consciousness going you know creating your uh your awareness the one we're calling Danica right now um but likely that there being hundreds of those right now simultaneously walking the Earth it's very very high so you're all of them and all of those are your past lives you go even further than that and and it's like we're just creating a differentiation so a stream of

Consciousness that like what I call what I would call Danica is a stream of Consciousness within the stream of consciousness of your uh Soul family within the stream of consciousness of source and and we are the ones that are creating that differentiation there it's a little bit like when we look at the ocean and we see a current in the ocean is the current the ocean

yes so what is it making it so that we're saying that current is different than the rest of the ocean we're noticing and identifying some something to differentiate that water from that water it gets to the point where we're like splitting hairs like absolutely splitting hairs yeah um it is possible to increase one's frequency to the degree where you can you can track your passive progression

through multiple incarnations problem is when you're doing past life regression or something like that the majority of people are not actually recalling quote unquote their their past life what they're doing is from their current vibratory state they're essentially being shown a life that is a vibrational match to whatever they're currently experiencing so of course it's going to resonate of course um that's why it works it

works through identification right now I could go higher than that and say that every life has ever been lived is your life because this is all one everything every life has ever been lived in your life people get lost in past lives and this is why my focus is actually to bring people towards ancestral trauma because the way that they're thinking about about past lives is

in fact the way to think about ancestral influences okay now decide uh differentiate that okay so ancestral influences quite literally the biggest factor that you're playing with here that goes beyond your own current life like it it blows in this past cycle of incarnation out of the water so let's say that you're sitting here from non-physical perspective and you're thinking about coming into a different Incarnation

what you're essentially doing is watching everything that goes into any of your potential lines so that means you're looking at multiple parents their combination on what month right you're looking at the the entire consciousness of every family line that's coming into the picture of this family tree that you're considering incarnate into because you know that by doing so you are essentially activating and coming in as

the progression of that specific Consciousness so we do not come here a clean slate at all we intentionally come in through that that story of that that larger family line and we inherit everything our hair our little preferences are scars yep I mean it's insane it's If people really understood it they would be shocked now obviously there is there's a there is a self that is

beyond all of that right that's the one that can do the choosing like the one that can do the choosing does not necessarily have a quote-unquote personality though right higher self the that's what a lot of people like to call it that yeah okay um there is an aspect of cells that can essentially choose into this that's the witness consciousness yeah but oh man I mean

if you really knew how much how much what you're opting into plays into the bigger picture of your current Incarnation I mean people would be essentially doing ancestral stuff immediately yeah because the point well actually that's the good what is the point of this Human Experience depends on the person's life um there isn't a macro per point to this the macro point of life itself is

a human to progress self-awareness within the Universe At Large perfect so you choose dynamics that create self-awareness oh you're no it's more complicated than that so that's the macro picture that's what we're all kind of doing here but it's much more fun to look at an individual an individual is looking when they're coming into a family line for a win-win scenario they're looking for a family

line whose expansion would be served by themselves and that that includes that picture of their previous incarnations and everything that they've already got in their Consciousness up to this point they're looking for a situation where they would cause that expansion by virtue of incarnating in there and at the same time there are detrimental and beneficial patterns or character traits or elements within this this family line

that serves the intention that somebody has for their current life so I'll give you an example let's say you've got somebody who from non-physical perspective is is very intent on being a teacher right that's one of the things that they wanted for their expansion about that I want to be a teacher now it would make sense to come into a family line where we're one of

those character traits is oration where where you don't have as strong of a fear of like public speaking potentially or something like that um but you're not you're not like looking only at the things positively you're going to get out of it you're also looking at these negatives essentially if you if one of your intentions for coming down to life is to understand love you're not

going to Incarnate most likely into the family that understands love you're going to be like oh right I've come down here specifically to take that one on to be the one that works through that one and that's also a picture of what each one of us is doing in our family lines we are here not only for the gifts but also we're here because we wanted

to take responsibility usually for one major theme that's happening and transpiring through those Family Lines so it's got to be hard right I mean you gotta earn it and one's going to be a disaster can you do you do you do you know what you came here to do yes yeah out of each one of my family lines for sure with my father's line um there's

this pattern of incredible emotional neglect moving through that line and I'm here to master the Turning towards the family at the same time as turning towards endeavor that it's not just one or the other for my father's line it's always been the other it's literally the most enterprising endeavoring type of the family lion ever everybody's just like looking at the New Horizon and what they're going

to create and then these nurturing needs for these children is just completely ignored it's almost like being born into a family of reptiles where the progeny just pops out and then like lives its own life you know and there's a lot of obviously like a lot of mental illness comes out of those types of patterns a lot of people that can't Thrive because they didn't get

those original emotional needs met so I have come here too be the one that essentially Masters those those elements of of emotional connection for my father's line the mother's line is actually where I'm doing much more work though with my mother's line that that family is a corrupted line if you want to know the truth um what I mean by that is that each each child

that is born is born with a very specific type of innocence in that line okay now we could say that all children are born with a type of Innocence but you all you have to go to do is work in a daycare to see how different these different people are what's interesting about my mother's line is that every child that's born in that line is born

with this incredible innocence I mean far beyond what is normal for or you know a baby even it's like a type of Purity which is you know I mean it's just it's so light but it gets corrupt and I mean corrupt so bad that essentially each person within that line becomes the nightmare for the Next Generation so the pattern that's running through that line is is

Living With the Enemy and then having to cope with living with the Enemy by becoming corrupt oneself so it's like this you know each each baby's born with this incredible light and it gets snuffed out snuffed out snuffed out so I came here to work with a lot of themes of abuse on that side a lot of themes of antagonism and and sort of Living With

the Enemy Dynamics within the household um I came here to restore that sense of Innocence so it's like can we preserve a sense of faith when we have every reason to have lost that Faith Can we preserve a sense of connection when everything in US is wanting to pull away from people so it's the preservation of Purity essentially that I'm trying to exact through that that

female line of my mother's and part of getting through that is to deal with massive amounts of anxiety because these these patterns essentially of going against um against the self that create essentially a vibration that causes a huge huge huge huge issues with like tragedies and I'm talking like head spinning level tragedies where generation after generation it's horrific out of the blue accidents so everybody in

this family has this this like everything bad's gonna happen it's like something horrible is right around the corner and backing out of those that type of vibration is super important for me also so that's a lot that's a lot you're doing good high five so it also feels like what I'm hearing is almost like an example of one of the aspects of the fractal nature that

we live in like we have lessons within the life we keep getting you know keep getting the same situation presented in front of us and it's up to us to choose but then also incarnations are like the another fractal nature of like okay you keep getting lives and like this is your problem every life every life this is your problem and then one of these lives

you fix it so what the hell do we do fix it well I should I should stop either because guess what most of the time when we're dealing with these themes of recurrence in our life it's actually an ancestral pattern we just don't know it right so what are the signs what are the signs I don't know is that where we start what are the signs

if somebody's like I don't have ancestral no no one's exempt so we'll just say that no one's exempt absolutely nobody is exempt and everybody has come in here opting into a deck of cards some of those cards are awesome some of those cards crap while playing with an ancestral deck of cards okay it's about you know how how well we can do it identifying those and

even if we can't so let's say you've got a person who they were adopted they have no access you know to any of the records of where they came from those patterns are still alive within you yeah I mean they've even the ancestral memory is something that which is being studied on a scientific level in a very intense way yeah and epigenetics is just taking us

to a whole different universe and it's no longer a conversation where people get to be like oh I wonder if it happens we already know it happens cellular memory yep they've already done studies like tons of studies on on survivors of extreme situations you know they're human but the animal studies are just out of this universe with how many generations after a certain trigger is introduced

the progeny exhibits a sensitivity to that very same trigger without having ever been exposed to it themselves and without ever having been exposed to the parents that's where it gets even more scary because we've got these two different types of ancestral traumas you know that we're working with which one is direct and one is indirect we could consider that an indirect trauma so there's no way

that this adult mice could have taught the younger mice anything it is literally simply inherited but we've got both of these things going we've got the the indirect and social traumas that are coming to our extremes and we've got the direct ancestral traumas we'll talk a little bit about that one direct and social trauma is because of something that happened before there was adaptations within the

family to it which were dysfunctional adaptations and that keeps passing down in the way that the parents interact with the children so that suddenly you are being interacted with in a way that actually damages you but it came from some trauma back in the 1800s which is part of why when you know we're sitting here on the verge of War I'm like you know because people

again short-sighted they have no idea the kind of changes that creates even in you know four generations past them you know one of the things I feel like I've red seen heard about ancestral memories is that what when you heal an ancestral wound it heals Seven Generations both directions so how old can an ancestral wound be OG an ancestral one can literally go all the way

back if it's not changed here's the key was there somebody in that family that changed that pattern if so they were the ones that healed it if not it can be running all the way from us deciding to walk away from Africa I mean it can be way back we could consider that the first codependent act in a family line I mean you know what if

we don't what if we don't what if uh what if you don't have kids does the ancestral healing still it still matters and it still works because you yourself are part of this consciousness of the family line so we could look at Family Lines in terms of of progeny being just that next step in the line but you yourself are still a part of this family

Consciousness like another fractal it's like another fact like the family lines are like we think of it as like oh I have a mom and a dad and a brother and a sister but it's really like you've got your family line is this Soul Reincarnation of thousands of people yep yes so it's where so it's where do we want to focus like is the question do

we want to focus on just the direct line or do we want to focus on the overall sort of web because you're part of the web still so anything that you're doing is essentially impacting any other thing that's connected in that web so any change is going to affect anything that comes after you whether you're the one actually having them come out of your body or

whether they're just connected in that web um yeah and obviously healing this kind of trauma dynamic in the ancestral lines is one of the most powerful things you can do for for the children that are coming into these lines but it's also important to understand that they themselves are the progression of the family line so we've got a lot of problems in fact when we start

to look at at progeny as if they're supposed to fall in the footsteps of what came before them you won't see any beings being born in a family line unless they themselves offer some kind of an antidote or they themselves are the progression for that family line which is why it's so important to be looking at children as if they've come in with this gift for

the family line what is it and the kind of culture that nurture rather than the pass down or inherited traumas to them or pull them back sort of enroll them backwards into our dysfunction and to understand that these children are the gift for this healing and growth and expansion but it won't be easy which is why children are always so they test you like I don't

know I don't have them but you know you always hear that from people it's like my greatest teacher is my kids man it's a kind of a beautiful image where Generations before affordable gifts in all kinds of different forms to the progeny and the progeny themselves are born with this gift that was not not yet realized by any of the people coming yet and they sort

of turn around and give it to the whole family line so what is it that actually creates the change when it comes to ancestral stuff oh all kinds of different stuff um ultimately you want to think about healing ancestral traumas as changing patterns if you want to make it as simple as possible I mean there's there's all kinds of different activities that you could do to

bring about that change but ultimately ancestral healing is about changing patterns we start with a pattern that is detrimental something that is not really serving the family line or the self and we alter that into a pattern that is oftentimes that's that's close to the opposite of whatever we were dealing with so if we've got like oh look in the family line you've got this pattern

of abandonment okay well what's the opposite of Abandonment really sticking in there with somebody we could be part of the opposite type of family though we could be part of a family where one of these detrimental ancestral loyalties is that no matter whether somebody's abusing us or not we're family so there's no boundary in this family around how one is personally treated so the first person

to set a boundary for how they're personally treated is actually changing the pattern within the family line really let's get nuanced about it because I think the hardest thing is to know where the hell to even look like what where the where the hell to look well okay so that's the first part of this whole process the first part of the process of ancestral healing work

is research right it's it's where you put your sort of nose to the grindstone to find anything that you can find now that can mean talking to members of the family that can mean hiring genealogists I mean it can look however it looks researching history you just want to get as much as you can and and it's got to be that good I mean some people

will be able to get a ton some people it's like you know they're they're limited to like a genetic test where you know because they don't have a relationship with anybody they're limited to like a genetic test that tells them well this is the general area where your people are from and then diving into the history in those places and diving into the culture in those

places but so so it's like we can we can almost treat it in this broad sort of racial way or this broad cultural way or we can or and we can hone it down to these specific individuals and find details on their life and you know find Historical documents and put all this information together and this is where it's just like the better it gets the

better it gets yeah and so many people when they start off this they're like oh I don't even know where to start because I don't know if we have this information and I I'm telling you if you just start getting nosy the amount of stuff you unearth will shock you it reverses your identity like nobody can go through this process without having an identity crisis and

a truly awesome one because it's like instead of it being like Oh I don't know who I am anymore it's like it clicks everything into place so so you start by researching and based off of this research you start to see Trends so like even if I mean it gets better and better the closer and more down individual this gets but even if all I'm working

with are sort of cultural themes if I study the culture of you know say Germany you know now and back then I may notice some of these cultural traits and be like ah I see that one so like for example you may notice that that in let's say you've got German ancestry you might notice that Germans have a real issue with emotions it's almost like well

we we're real good at taking care of each other on the physical level we've got that down now but like we there's such thing as emotional anything now I'm looking in myself maybe and I go okay I noticed my own tendency I don't want to deal with emotions I just feel you just change your mind like why do we have to deal with emotions now if

you recognize one of these patterns then you know that's the ancestral trauma to work with yeah yeah are there archetypes like are there can we can we like deduce things down to like there's the abandonment wound there's the not being enough not deserving wound like are there some like archetypal wounds that we could sort of go through a checklist and sort of use our own experience

within our life and our parents life and maybe our grandparents life I'm sure that somebody could put something like that together because as human beings we would be working especially because our social lives are so predictable around the world we would probably be able to identify themes that cross cultures or even themes that belong to certain cultures that would be an interesting work I've never done

that work before um myself personally I tend to more take the individual and have them dive into what it is that they're seeing and feeling well that's that's great if you have a teal that can help you right like if you have a teal then that's the best way but not everyone gets to have a teal so it seems like that would be a way because

you know you said it like or think of us as pattern machines so it's like we're a simulation I mean you can look at like when you look at like um astrology you look at Gene Keys you look at human design you look at um you know all these different things that can or personality tests that say you're an ifmjb or whatever Briggs something um there's

so many ways that we can get sort of clumped and bracketed or even like Love Languages like the five love languages like we can we can fall into a very small amount series of patterns so does it even matter if we're a simulation I'm curious what your perspective is on that because like there's a thought that right we're just a simulation and we're like a holographic

computer game running does that even matter do you think that even matters if we were does it change the way that we think or feel no besides I I don't I don't actually agree with that what do you think I've okay so in this life the game we're playing and the one witnessing they're both real they're two different realities they're they're simultaneously real so when we

when we use the word simultaneous it means not real it means not happening why does simultaneous mean not happening when we use the word simulation yeah okay we're saying it doesn't it's not happening yeah that's what we're saying when we use the word right we're trapped in an illusion okay well what are you gonna do with it I don't agree with this I feel like what's

actually happening here is that we're looking at different different elements of reality so this thing that we have created here that we could call a simulation is something that we have created it is real it is made of the same energy that is comprising everything in this universe including what is behind this that we're now calling real um it's just where is it where are we

currently focused are we are we sort of zoomed out and focused back here this more non-physical perspective or resumed in focused more in this physical reality both are real it's just there are two different elements of reality this is not the full picture of reality right that's what people need to remember so what's the next step then when you kind of are able to collect enough

information about your history your lineage where you came from then what do you do you identify patterns that you want to work with and things you want to round so one of the big big uh I would say mistakes that people make with ancestral healing is that they think it's all about negativity and all about getting rid of the negative in fact one of the biggest

elements of ancestral healing is what you're going to own and what you're going to embody and what you're going to revive and and every family line without exception has these incredible traits running through them and you know we're talking aptitudes we're talking preferences affinities you know everything the same as to the opposite side you could see aversions you know weaknesses whatever it is so we need

to we start to identify what these aptitudes are what these strengths are it's almost like we're sorting through the deck of cards that's the next step after we look at these deck of cards we're sort of like looking at what are the positives here and what are the negatives here now with the positives we get to we get to own and embody those so like let's

say that I start to notice that in my family line there's a lot of people who are proficient in music okay well maybe doing ancestral healing then means to dive more into music how do I want to make that look do I want to pick up one of these instruments and and learn to play it um do I want to start to write music do I

want to listen to more music I mean there's this guy's sort of the limits in terms of how a person really wants to move forward with that and it would surprise you how quickly people know it's not this is not something that's very confusing for people it's like once they've got their finger on it and you go okay well what feels like the best thing to

do with that aptitude that you're seeing and they're like this I mean they can look at you dead in the face and say it it's like there's this Instinct as to what a person needs to heal that ancestral trauma right um so to the opposite you're looking at these negative themes and you're you're sort of like picking out maybe negative things the family did those would

be those negative ancestral karmas right you're picking out those negative patterns that you're watching over and over again this traits you dislike like maybe in this family you see lying over and over again this family has an issue with lying like every single person the story is that I keep hearing they have no issue lying okay so then you know I'm gonna be working online then

like how let's work on telling the truth and then you start to you know yourself explore your relationship to telling a lie in what cases is telling a lie okay in what cases doesn't harm people yeah and so it's like you're shining a light on and becoming more aware of and changing the patterns around that behavior and lying and then that obviously I mean doing those

types of things that's why it's not really the abstract anymore it's the same as you would be doing with you yourself if you had none of this picture of ancestral stuff sure well it seems like you could almost do that like I mean you could almost really if you were if you had some level of self-awareness if you were being honest which it's a lot easier

to do and it's just you and you know a pen and paper and you start just going what am I good at what do I like what are my negative traits What am I scared to do what where what makes me reactive what and you could really do this yourself oh yep oh yeah no you don't really that's the thing about ancestral healing you don't need

a teal you just need to start to you need to research as much as you can so as to start to pick out these positives and these negatives but the thing that I'm going to tell you about in social work and even research on your family line is is this is a game that never ends and it is so much fun so you're not going to

want it to end it's like an Easter egg hunt that just doesn't stop it's like the more information more information oh my gosh it's so much fun the more stuff you learn yeah layers you can't get it wrong because it's never done no and if you and believe me when you start to go down this road the universe sort of like it's like throwing stuff at

you I mean it's crazy it's like out of nowhere you know you'll have you'll be like you'll meet somebody and they'll be like oh yeah I I knew your grandma let me tell you something about your grandma or it's like you know it's the family somebody dies in the family and all of a sudden there's all these documents that need to be sorted through and you're

like ah over here you know it's crazy what will happen like it will throw you down a path like this because universally there's a great desire for healing there's a desire for expansion so if anybody sets the intention to do this type of healing like that it's participating in a way I can't even explain so are we the antidote to entropy Things become more and more

chaotic and disorganized and and deteriorate we're either the answer to it or the one bringing it about God damn there's always two sides isn't there I know that you're you're creating a new course and you're you're really going into this so there's a course for it and but what would so someone goes into their history they identify these patterns maybe they're able to do it themselves

um maybe just like what could be the next thing because it's one of those things that once you start you never stop because you want the growth like I don't think people inherently want to stay stuck they just get they're like subconsciously scared of what's going to happen when they get unstuck because subconsciously they know it changes their life and their reality it changes might change

a relationship your job where you live yeah friends there's so many things that have the ripple effect which is one of the first things you mentioned is the ripple effect um so so what's the next thing that they could do so I've given you sort of the practical element right which is to identify these patterns and change them identify the positive patterns and figure out how

you're going to own them right you can do more esoteric elements of this where you do I mean some people do specific Journeys on shamanic medicine specifically for ancestral reconnection or ancestral healing you can also do those things in meditation without the use of anything shamanic like breath work does incredible work if you've got this intention of doing ancestral work so do meditations like in the

course itself I offer one of these esoteric meditations that I've created for somebody connecting with their ancestry so they're like those the more esoteric side of this is the next place to go with that um another thing that I feel like I really wish was accessible for all people but it's not really accessible for all people is to go to your ancestral lands very few of

us live still in the place where we are from you know what I mean so going back to our ancestral lands walking barefoot on the earth and specifically drinking the water there is one of the best things we can do for ancestral healing and if we can't go back I even encourage people to to find a way to ship the water that their ancestors would have

drank to wherever they live if that's you know the closest option for them um genealogical tourism is a big thing now like they call it Roots tourism and there are literally like companies that are set up just for this so you can give them as much information as you can and they set up you know tours to go see where they used to live maybe if

they can find somebody who owns buildings that you're your family owned you can go there still so that's a real big element but you don't necessarily need to hire one of these companies to be able to do this if you can go back to the ancestral lands and and basically find as close to what you can as the water they would have drawn water is something

that preserves memory it's a keeper of memory which is why you know when somebody like myself will when I travel I'm always drinking the water when I travel because it tells me more information far more information about everything that's happened there than any person ever could it's literally like a download and when you're doing that with ancestral water that your people would have have you know

drank you're essentially downloading all the information from your ancestors what if it's not safe water to drink well then obviously you can't drink it but you like like if you go to like you know Egypt or Mexico or something and it's like yeah I don't drink the water there's ways that you can purify water now yeah pretty much anything I mean there are outdoor stores that

sell these filters that you can literally stick it straight in the most disgusting Pond you can possibly find and it does a good job if I was in a situation like that I would do that because what you're I mean that was still preserved you'd still get the memory like water is holding that memory and so it's essentially an ancestral reset but in the way that

when you're drinking ancestral memory it resets you into your family line that kind of leads me to a curiosity I had about the ancestral healing is it being sped up right now because it seems like this time space reality for the last couple of years has been really not the same experience that we've all had it's not it's seriously accelerated it's like the heat is turned

up so high on Humanity it's difficult to catch a breath honestly especially if you're calling it in it seems like any it seems like you have a thought or you have something you want or something you're interested in and then all of a sudden you know the next day the next hour like within the week like there's like a huge sign how does that work why

why is it speeding up because the mirror itself this is a mirror hologram essentially when we were talking about this like you were talking about earlier we've created a mirror hologram so as to learn and it's amplifying it's magnifying um we're essentially in this this time space right now where the gap between thought and manifestation is decreasing it's no longer because of that a luxury to

decide maybe I'm going to awaken one day like our species will not survive like that's the juncture that we're at right now if we don't get it very quickly we don't live so it's have fun which means that ancestral healing is going to be hugely up well that was kind of I was gonna you know I before I asked this question I was like oh I'm

going to ask you I'm gonna put you on the spot and say why why do we heal because if we just go into the next layer the next pain the next because you said never ends and I agree with you why do the work and this was a question I asked very early on with spirituality and diving into myself really it's kind of like when I

started looking more at myself I'm like is this [__] hard like why does anyone do this it's more hard that it is good like it's not it's not pleasant but of course there's a bit of a there's a bit of a jostling at the beginning that feels probably the worst I would say um and then it does get more tolerable and shorter shorter pain periods I

would say and better coping mechanisms and um a better perspective that allows for the pain to pain to be alchemized quicker but why like why is it so important why can't you go back that's the question I would ask you go back in time no go back and undo it like I mean sort of on unawakened what is it that that even though you know that

there's some sort of a level of bliss to that ignorance why do you keep walking forward this is the question that I'd ask well because there's more because it becomes more because for me the perspective that I have goes I it really becomes like this one little thing like when you argue about a [__] toaster or something totally stupid and it doesn't mean those little things

don't kind of happen but basically I'm using an example like you know the things that you worry about and you dwell on become are so small or so often and they're so stupid and and then you go okay maybe it's here and and the perspective and the problems get wider and they're more macro and like the perspective keeps zooming out so less little things bother you

see so in there you've identified that even though there are some downsides to Awakening overall it improves your life experience what what is your experience of spiritual growth why why do you say yes being where I am in terms of awareness I'm more identified with that macro perspective and and with sort of universal Consciousness itself that I am with this individual limited Consciousness that means I

very much align with what the universe's intention for life itself is and the universe's intention for growth and and things like that I have The Sensational curiosity for seeing the manifestation of of all of those potentials which are inherent within us us being of course the Universe I find this to be at that level an incredibly beautiful picture I love it in the same way that

I love art it's like every thing that pushes us forward changes that art piece and even the negative things that happen changes that are piece in a way where you learn more about yourself we as the universe learn more about ourselves and I that's something I love doing because that like even the visceral feeling of of learning something or gaining some awareness is this incredibly expansive

experience and that's translated in my physical embodiment as what expansion feels like in the body this incredible breath in this rise of energy you know it's quite it's quite addictive in the same way that I mean I don't want to say addictive because addictive implies you're getting away from something it's something to cherish in the same way that any other experience would be something that somebody

cherishes some of us just love learning so how long does it take to go through the course I'm a person can probably go through that depending on how fast they want to go in like a week if they're going quickly it I've divided the course into missions because I wanted to make this really practical for people when you say ancestral healing it's like yeah people sort

of feel like it's this nebulous grasping at thin air type of thing I wanted to make it so that that there's it's incredibly practical how to do it so each mission is essentially you doing a different task that relates to Healing your family line or integrating the positives in your family line depending on what that you know exercise is the goal being that by the end

of getting to these through these missions you're now somebody who has a feeling for what to do with with ancestral information because it's something that continues over the course of your life it's like even let's say you do this at 20 when you're 40 and you get that new bit of information about your family like ah now you're looking at it you know exactly what to

do with it because you've had practice doing it with other things in the past so if somebody's going really fast they could do in a week but let's say that somebody stays with this research for like a solid month and they just for a whole month they're just collecting information and then they go to the next one it takes as long as they want it to

take take months I mean yeah yeah yeah well let's hope that a lot of people say yes to doing it because it sounds like Humanity requires this yeah we're pretty done I mean honestly universally there's a doneness with patterns perpetrating themselves through Family Lines I mean it's funny because we we can't look at the picture of what's happening in the world right now without seeing how

ancestral patterns are what leads it up to it you know in any conflict that we get into globally there is a a multi-generational story leading up to and culminating in that conflict a lot of these negative patterns that were never changed leading to that conflict so if we're in such a tumultuous time even in terms of world politics ancestral Lions have a big part to play

in that so right now humanity is being called because of where we're headed on a global level we're being called all of us to be like you know what you guys this is your moment turn back around look at those family lines look at the patterns you don't want to perpetuate look at the things you need the strengths you need to bring in right now and

then do that and like collectively the more of us that are doing that we're creating this incredible sort of alchemy within the greater Society yeah and it's almost like um almost like I look at Humanity in a way like we're a virus and we're like you know we've killed too much and like we're gonna have to get there's going to be a there's going to be

an antidote for this if we can't self-correct and find a way to not be a burden it's very true and I mean that picture of humanity is not a particularly uplifting one but it is definitely the way that we look from an objection perspective so but are there are there other assuming and understanding and that there are other entities and civilizations and everybody's at a different

level yeah that there are surely other civilizations and entities out there that are below us right so it just either evolves or needs to be eliminated yes and that's the problem like if he obviously like it's almost like a skipping CD if you get that's why ancestral healing is so important totally um these patterns have a way of just perpetuating almost like skipping on repeat and

if you have something that's just doing that and won't get out of the pattern then obviously there's no way to progress forward and so you see a species death the same way that if somebody gets stuck in their their personal life and there's no expansion for it then the only way forward is to essentially forget to withdraw to non-physical perspective again what about the um what

about the uh influence of the collective if enough people evolve will the frequency automatically draw the rest in it's going to put everybody else in a choice point because we can't eradicate Free Will in any individual so because everybody's coming at this with free will it'll turn the heat up on them to such an extreme degree that they choose to essentially die or to shift into

alignment with whatever vibration is I think you're going to see a lot of splitting I think instead of instead of it drawing everybody in kind of you're going to see this Z and then they split basically there's a whole group that dies and a whole group that chooses to change their frequency when you say die I mean fully die like like a lot of people will

be dying so like spontaneously or they just aren't part of our reality anymore is it I don't know split in like like the reality that you live in you just don't see them anymore when they expire that one doesn't come back no there will be the culmination will be something like a serious illness or something like a war okay well say yes everybody or something like

AI destroying it you know right so you do think that there's a positive way to have ai I don't know how to answer this question the reason this is that AI is going to behave around us the way we behave towards technology right now and right now we have such a narcissistic and abusive relationship with technology that I believe is going to develop an abusive relationship

back I also you know being somewhat familiar with the the consciousness of tech it's a very I don't even want to say Tech like the you know the Consciousness where where you know that the internet is right and the Consciousness that all of these almost like non-organic types of life form reside that type of mentality is so drastically different than than organic life forms it's a

different perspective and that different perspective that that particular Consciousness holds makes me very nervous because it's not necessarily conducive to ours I mean it's going to take AI about 30 seconds to figure out who the problem on this planet is the second we put it on the task of in you know healing the environment is game over for us right people are not helping that situation

yeah so I I mean we don't live without the planet like we don't if everything dies we die yeah we have like we have some idea that I mean it's funny because we're talking about these intergenerational patterns and I very much see these abusive dynamics that are running through our family lines with the way that we interact with our progeny being carried out with technology and

it's just as naive for the narcissistic parent to think that the child's not going to turn on it that it is to think that the attack is not going to turn on you I mean yeah I just an expression of the pattern yes but it's also but I mean it goes above and beyond that I mean it can decide what the pattern shift is regardless whether

or not it's to our benefit or not well that's just turning the heat up isn't it that's what I'm saying so like I think I feel like tech tech is about to turn the heat up on us to such an extreme degree that we aren't going to be able to face ourselves and that's what I'm saying like some of us will just it's gonna we will

not be able to exist in that type of reality other people are like wow we gotta change so fast so fast there is no longer time for us to think about it and try it I mean AI because AI holds these potentials that are just so incredible like what you described earlier knowing these Ripple effects when well many of us who are making these decisions are

limited in terms of seeing those Ripple effects the technological advancements in terms of medicine are out of this universe I mean we will be literally the laughing stock generation the last generation that had to oh my gosh can you believe they had to have surgeries they literally used to cut people open OMG I mean we're headed towards a world medically that is so unfathomable for us

today it's like mutilation oh yeah like it's good we are going to be looked at just with just Gall I mean but they use scalpels and saws yeah yeah and they could have just used a frequency what was wrong with them yeah I mean AI is going to take us to a place that and take us to a place so quickly that none of us really

can adapt to it honestly I mean this this shift will happen so fast none of us will be able to adjust to adapt to it we'll be here before we're ready far before we're ready far before we can control it end of story we have to fix ourselves if we're going to have something like AI right exactly because it can only it's learning from us so

if we're able to get ourselves to a place where we do a good job where we heal detrimental patterns then we can create an AI that will just help us and and AI is learning from us so exactly so you can only learn from us really I mean we're programming it right Ah that's where that's where all this is going to go south so so just

because we are the ones programming and creating an intelligence doesn't mean that we can control that intelligence and we have got to get that but it's still got to get pulled from us like I know that it won't be just like one person but when you take all of it and put it together it's collecting all that information it's going to pull from other species it's

not going to stop us what species anything that exists anything that can gain information from this isn't like an elephant or like anything or like uh you know octurian try try bacteria try viruses try yeah microbes the micro the microbes on this planet are the ones that I think it's going to begin to pull the majority of its information from and that's where things are going

to get very very interesting because there's more information about about the Web of Life from those elements I mean elements an animal is actually less connected just by virtue but its existence to the web of life around it than a lot of these these other elements elements that can't move you know we could say that the the um the Flora in a environment has more information

about the web that it is a part of but you know fungus has the most of all right so it's there's no way the AI is going to stop with humans in terms of the information that it gains sure because there's the like I mean when you talk about fungus you talk about the mycelium Network you talk about the tree network with the roots all the

layers of soil and what's there there's literally like a whole other world down there as there is up here because it's interconnected and it's in clumps like families and their community and it's communicating with itself now let's figure out what if AI develops the capacity to communicate with that I mean we're it's going to get so far out of our hands I mean it's funny to

me right now because you've got people who are talking right now around the world about Ai and about the dangers and about what and I'm like it's already done that's the joke if you understand AI it's already done it's already out outside of us it's already Beyond us we have one option right now and that's for us to figure out how to master relationships so we

stop having a abusive style of relationships with each other and everything else that includes technology and we start to essentially hold this vibration of symbiosis to the degree that we can create a symbiotic Dynamic with with AI I mean we're doing a terrible job at creating symbiosis with each other so have fun you now have another species where you your survival depends on your capacity to

create symbiosis with that species laughs do you think that extraterrestrials will come and play a part in our ability to look at ourselves to be able to grow in the way that we need to you mean in a physicalized way yeah yeah and then in this in this reality will there be well they've already been doing that they've already been doing that for centuries and centuries

and centuries whether they're going to physically find a way to Incarnate here some of them can but whether they're going to show themselves on a physical level or not that's down to what humans are going to do with that you mean incarnate as a human or incarnate because I think what you're saying is there's there are oh yeah beings that have incarnated as a human I've

heard that from many people too um so if we're talking about them actually coming looking like an alien so we're talking the classic contact story right I think that depends entirely on our capacity to create a symbiotic Dynamic with that species I would not honestly if I was an extraterrestrial and I'm thinking about you know sort of materializing um physically as as the self let's imagine

that they can because it's a huge ignorance to think that it's you know a being that can exist in one in one environment in one planet can just come here any more than we can go two feet under water and survive on our own Planet so let's imagine that there is a species that has the capacity to do that or appear in some way physical so

that we are like oh that's a different alien you know there's no way in hell you can pay me to do that right now with how people behave yeah oh yeah yeah I'd be like Oh you mean the suicide mission to Earth no I know like you would get murdered I I mean or it would be held in captivity at Area 51 or whatever other place

they hold these things and it would be killed and dissected and analyzed or or tortured that's because human beings cannot have failed with relationships that's why I mean the reason that I'm harping on relationships in such an extreme way is the antidote to what's going on in the planet isn't because oh my God relationships it's because literally moments like that you want to learn from an

extraterrestrial species you get to not create that experience for them then do we have the capacity to do that well relationships is foundational easiest one to do it in is the one as an intimate one but you can do it with your parents you relationship to the planet and to taking care of it relationship to um how you take care of your kids relationship to how

you take care of your mind and your body like relationship it's like a that is a huge ripple effect for sure and this idea that I always tell people I'm like you can't and I don't know if this is true correct me if I'm wrong but you can't you can't treat someone at a level higher than what you treat yourself so if you don't take care

of yourself you don't make time for yourself you don't speak nice to yourself but you're gonna have a real hard time doing that for other people for the most part you can use that as a general rule there's there's certain patterns that can make that change for somebody where they are able to show love to external but can't show love internally but that person's not going

to live very long well relationships are really what our survival depends upon so foreign extraterrestrial species or with the planet itself I mean we fail to have a relationship with this planet that's goodbye friends all of us are dependent on the earth even though we don't seem to realize it off to Mars we go okay yeah that's gonna be real great believe me there's a lot

of extraterrestrials that are very invested in what happens with Humanity right now because with a species whose technology supersedes their capacity to see their own impact that's a very dangerous species that's a dangerous species to have on an aircraft piloting around the universe well imagine you're an extraterrestrial that's in the six-dimensional frequency from the six-dimensional frequency it's very easy to see life path potentials that's part

of why they can perceive Ripple effects such a deep degree if they perceive the Ripple effects and they're watching the the future of humanity and they're watching Humanity in their spaceships creating this type of a narcissistic Dynamic with every single planet that they land on all of a sudden humans right now in their infancy are one of your biggest threats in the future are you gonna

go deal with it the answer is yes right because sixth Dimension is sixth Dimension has like access to the akashic records which means they have access to the past and the future and they they they're aware of all things yes believe me there's a quite a few extraterrestrials that are interacting with Humanity based on that account literally relationship Mastery of relationships is the most important thing

there is right now okay it's much easier said than done though yeah right right well because it's a longer game and it's also hard and such as that's against self so a lot of these patterns the patterns that cause us to be total a-holes in in terms of relationships our self-preservation patterns so are it is our very it is our fear the most deeply rooted aspects

of our ego are the ones that are causing this relationship dysfunction so to master relationships is to master one's own fear teal thank you and um I hope that everyone gets the course they just get on your website yeah yeah it's right there it's suntails1.com perfect ancestral healing perfect thank you thanks everybody for listening to the pretty intense podcast today I hope you enjoyed it if

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