Episode 169 - Meka Couch of @dapp_ar

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I have an opportunity to speak with Ms. Mika Kouch. Mika, how are you today? Great. How about yourself? I'm well. I can't complain. Quite happy. I had a couple of cigars a day. I had a little bourbon. Something really good right now. So we connected on Twitter and I was told by my friend Jamar that I needed to speak with you and to check out your

profile. And when I did I was left with a ton of questions. I like to get to know new and interesting people to me. And I find you to be both. So Mika, tell me about yourself. How did you get into crypto? So kind of a funny story about how I got into crypto. So previously before I'd even gotten to this space, I've been working, you

know, female in tech. I've been working with more infrastructure types, unified communication. And I finally decided to take a leap of faith. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to try to break out on my own. Be an entrepreneur. That kind of thing. And, you know, the pandemic hit. So that was. Most of us and things kind of got slowed down with our entrepreneurial

dreams and things like that. You know, pandemic can't go out. No more trade shows. And we were trying to make some side cash. And we're like, you know what? I know like we believe in blockchain and things like that. It's like why don't we actually just try to help try to, you know, trade on the crypto market. Let's see how we can, you know, just shoot

our best shot at this. And we've done pretty decent. I'm not saying like, oh, you know, I'm becoming like the next doge millionaire. But I'm definitely doing all right. So that's basically how I got into it. It's more of a necessity. And just kind of start with it. That's beautiful. You know, everyone has their reasons and their rationale behind entering the Bitcoin cryptocurrency spaces. And I

think it's important that a lot of my guests share how they got one boarded. And everyone has their own kind of unique way that they do it. But all roads lead to gold. And I think I'm glad you're on this road with us and traveling this path with us. So you said something that kind of peaked my interest. You said that you had entrepreneurial dreams. What,

what, what are you trying to do? What have you started? So right now, my partner Zonai, we're working on a framework to allow to basically use a distributed ledger to store information for our kind of a little bit of an infrastructure for building applications. And so what this application is going to allow you to do is to interact with sensors using augmented reality glasses. And that

information is going to be stored on a distributed ledger and AI is going to carry that experience. Now, I paused for a moment because when you were describing what you're doing, the very first thing that came to my mind is a presentation that I viewed a couple of weeks ago, where there were sensors all over pieces of equipment. And these like 3D graphics popped up and

you could look at every single component of this machine to see if it were operating properly or if there were issues or if there was something broken. Are we talking something like that or am I way off base? No, yeah. So very similar to that. The only difference is you'll be able to launch a machine learning response. So from the AR glasses, so say for example,

there needs to be a repair done. And instead of you going back to a computer to type in whatever information that you need, you would be able to do the spot check repair using the glasses and trigger a response there locally. And that information is going to be stored over blockchain to allow for users to collaborate that don't exactly trust each other, but want to share

on information. Wow. Okay. All right. So you're going to have to break this down. I'm going to use artificial reality glasses that will allow me to see this piece of equipment or see the output from the sensors and I'm going to use artificial reality. And if I'm viewing something that's broken, I can initiate or trigger a response on the other end to actually make a change

or make a repairs. That correct. Yes. Okay. So are there going to be like robotics involved? Will it be like robots on the other end and say, okay, I guess she's telling me to change this widget or repair this gadget or something like that. Exactly. So it can either be robotics or. Something as simple as a pump response. So with agriculture, for example, okay, okay. All

right. This is really slick. I'm telling you man. I talked to some of the brightest people on this show and I learn every time I shut my mouth and I listen to other people. So tell me where you are in the process now. So right now we're finishing up our 1.0. We've started development with a couple of guys. On our team. So kind of in the

middle of it, you know, we ran into our little hiccups, you know, in the first part of development. It's always with the ISP's man. I don't know what it is. Every time I've done a project, all of a sudden you start having packet drops or all kinds of stuff. You're in and it will be working perfectly for the past couple of months. Did you start doing

some type of development? I'm telling you your ISP's got something for you. Okay. I'll keep that in mind because I do encounter that a lot when I'm recording. It's like the. It knows when I need it and it's the size that it wants to play games with me. So I get it. I get it. So you're working on version 1.0 of this tool. Are the blockchains

going to be private or will this data be held on a public blockchain? So we're going to leave that up to the users. So this is going to be a framework. We're going to allow other people to build on top of it. So we've created sort of a like a like socket in the code. To allow for users to integrate with whichever blockchain they want. So

it's going to be interoperable. So that's kind of, you know, each person is going to want to build it the way that they see fit. You know, some people are huge with the theory on. They like developing with the theory on. Some people might want to build on Cardano for their own personal reasons. But you know, with eco being it being more eco friendly. You know,

other other ones for fees. So it just really depends. Iota, you know, specifically for IOT for you. So I think that's a great example would be a great one to build into our framework. So this is just a framework that's going to sit on top of things to allow people to build apps on the different blockchains. Okay. So if I understand what you're saying, this is

kind of like a layer to solution that's interoperable. And it can work with just about any blockchain. Exactly. Okay. That's awesome. That's awesome. So I know what you're doing. I know where you are in the process right now. Eventually in a perfect world with all development 90% complete. Where do you want to be with this project? So 95% complete. We're looking at, you know, hoping to

license. We're hoping to get a lot more developers that want to develop their own applications on top of it. You know, it's more about helping the community build. So blockchain, you know, it's still kind of new. I mean, it's not really new. It's been around for a while, but you're getting more people into it. It's becoming more mainstream. You're getting more legislations behind it. And we're

hoping that, you know, this is going to move into things like smart cities, making the internet more efficient, more fair for, you know, people as a whole. As right now, you know, it's kind of kind of bottled neck with, you know, big tech. But I'm hoping, you know, in the future, we're hoping in the future that it's going to be more more developers and blockchain. It's

going to become a more fair internet. People are going to be able to build a living off building different decentralized applications. Amazing. Amazing. That's real vision to have this solution built into smart cities. And I think we are going that route right now. I think we're in the early stages of it. I had an opportunity to speak a couple of weeks ago with a futurist by

the name of Thomas Frey. And Thomas mentioned that type of thing was a there'll be sensors everywhere. And those sensors would need to be managed in a way that's beneficial to the planners, the politicians into the people, the citizens of these cities. And I think you're like really on the bleeding edge of this technology. And I'm excited to see where you will be and where your

project will be. And the next five to seven years. I think that's amazing. So. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Let me ask another question. When you think about where you want to be, right. Are there any dependencies upon future technology to get you where you want to go. Meaning, if, meaning if we had some better sensor technology, would it make your development easier

or is the framework the hard part. And then once the framework is kind of laid out, then you can just kind of add to it in layers. So the way we built it is so is that it should be also interoperable with sensors as well. And that's one of the issues that you're seeing with IOT right now is that you have a bunch of different sensors

across the board. And each one's got their own sort of, you know, way of controlling it. And what we're aiming to do is to allow multiple sensors to be interoperable with it so that you can use both different sensors and different blocks. So it doesn't matter how that it centralize, you know, technology goes, doesn't matter how the sensors goes. This thing is just going to sit

right in the middle. Gotcha. Gotcha. You know, I feel like this technology and. Wait a minute, let me stop because we've talked about what you're doing. But what's it called? It's called dapper IO. So it's a decentralized application protocol. For it for it, right, for for AR, right? So that's how we do it. So we call it dapper, you know, we wanted to play into the

meme culture just a little bit. Have a little fun with it, you know, with the bow ties, that sort of thing. So that's kind of the name that we came up for the framework. Okay, that should have been like the first question I asked because we got really deep into it. And I'm like, wait a minute, what's it called? Okay. So where can people go to

find out more information about dapper? So right now we just launched our Twitter. You don't have a lot of followers yet. We're still launching a website, right? We've got the 1.0 going. But we're going to slow on the website. So you can go to. B a p p underscore AR on Twitter. And we're going to start posting our development things like that. We're also on LinkedIn

under wolfberry LLC. That's our parent company. Okay. Amazing. So will there be a native token for dapper? So we've been talking about that. We were thinking potentially as it's going to be more open source. We were thinking, wow, what if we launched a token with this and did this for, you know, developers and basically developers get a token for contributing to the code. So that's kind

of in the talks right now. So, I mean, I guess we'll see where it's going to be. I'm thinking right now as it stands, potentially, yes, leaning more towards the yes side. Okay. All right. This is sounding more and more interesting. So tell me what else are you doing? Because you seem like really, really, really, really cerebral and really busy and really smart. And I'm always

curious to talk to smart people. You know, mostly just working on my mental health. When I was working with corporations, you know, it was one of those things that I neglected all through my 20s. And, you know, I always heard people say, and it's going to catch up to you. It's going to catch up to you. I'm like, whatever, man, I'm like Superman. I can go

forever. And, you know, it does. It catches up with you. You think that you can go forever one day. You wake up and your mental health is in a condition that you don't really recognize. And so I've just been slowly working through, you know, my anxiety, my insecurities, you know, childhood trauma. I think a lot of us have things from our childhood. We got to resolve.

And that's really just been my other thing that I've been working through. You know, otherwise, you just keep going through it. And you don't know why we'll just keep on turning. You're not really sure where you're going. Exactly. That's good to hear. You know, self care is so important. And I, people who follow me and know me know that I'm always doing like eight things at

the same time. And sometimes you have to just stop and really pay. And you have to pay attention to you. And you have to do it before there's a problem. It's like, it's like an oil change, right? You get your oil change as a prevent a preventive maintenance to ensure that your motor is healthy. If you don't get these preventive oil changes. Eventually, your pistons. Lock

up and your motor dies. So it's important to take good care of yourself and exercise self care. Not just physical self care, but mental health care. So shout out to you. Shout out to you for mentioning that. And I would encourage my followers and my listeners to do the same. I see more regulation being put out there. I think right now the government's kind of understand

how it works. But I don't think they know for sure. And I think that's the way it works. I think we start to really understand the benefits of having blockchain technology. I think we're going to see more regulation behind it. I think it's going to be a new infrastructure layer for a new sort of internet. And I also see it as being part of the backbone

for smart cities as we start to see more smart cities in the future. And I think that you're going to see more of an integration with IOT AI and blockchain technologies. Thank you so much for joining me on Cigars and crypto today. I appreciate it. Tell my listeners and my followers where we can find you and Dapper online. You can always follow me on the at

couch mecha. And it's felt the way it sounds. COUCH and mecha. And then Dapper AR at DAPP underscore AR. And both of both of us. So I can be found on Twitter. Absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for joining me today. Ladies and gentlemen, mecha couch. Have an amazing day, man. Thank you.